Re: myths about python 3

2010-02-01 Thread Anssi Saari
Blog blogtes...@gmail.com writes: Where did you come up with that information? Almost all of the major distros ship with 2.6.x - CentOS, OpenSuSe, Ubuntu, Fedora. (Debian does ship with 2.5, but the next major release sid' is due out in Q2) I don't see Python 2.6 in my CentOS 5.4

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-30 Thread Nobody
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:56:10 -0800, John Nagle wrote: Arguably, Python 3 has been rejected by the market. Arguably, Python 3 has not yet been accepted by the market. Part of it is down to a catch-22: applications won't use Python 3 if the libraries on which they depend don't support it, and

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-30 Thread Kevin Walzer
On 1/30/10 11:29 AM, Nobody wrote: Arguably, Python 3 has not yet been accepted by the market. Part of it is down to a catch-22: applications won't use Python 3 if the libraries on which they depend don't support it, and support for Python 3 by libraries will be influenced by the perceived

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-30 Thread Christian Heimes
Blog wrote: WTF? Where'd you hear about version 2.8? FRI, 2.7 is and will be THE LAST version of the 2.x series - the End-Of-Life for Python 2 Where do you get your information from? Your answer is the first that clearly marks the end of lifetime for the 2.x series. I didn't know that and I'm

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-30 Thread Blog
On 1/30/2010 11:47 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: Blog wrote: WTF? Where'd you hear about version 2.8? FRI, 2.7 is and will be THE LAST version of the 2.x series - the End-Of-Life for Python 2 Where do you get your information from? Your answer is the first that clearly marks the end of lifetime

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-30 Thread Blog
On 1/30/2010 10:06 AM, Ben Finney wrote: Blogblogtes...@gmail.com writes: (Debian does ship with 2.5, but the next major release sid' is due out in Q2) Sid is the perpetual development playground (“unstable”), never released as a suite, but a proving ground for packages to determine their

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-30 Thread Martin v. Loewis
Christian Heimes wrote: Blog wrote: WTF? Where'd you hear about version 2.8? FRI, 2.7 is and will be THE LAST version of the 2.x series - the End-Of-Life for Python 2 Where do you get your information from? It was discussed repeatedly on python-dev, last time when the release

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Martin v. Loewis
Python has had previous major changes in the past (e.g. 1.5 to 2.0 and 2.1 to 2.2) and hardly anyone made a complaint. I think this is actually false for the switch from 1.5 to 2.0. People complained a lot, and announced that they won't switch to Python 2 in any foreseeable future, and

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Martin v. Loewis
Well, I'd consider that an official release. Note that I didn't claim there was no hope PSF wouldn't change it's mind on 2.8. I'd like to point out that the PSF formally doesn't have any say in this. Instead, releases are created by the release manager, who gets appointed by Guido van Rossum.

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Martin v. Loewis
Why do I feel like there's less of an onus on Unladen Swallow to _actually prove itself in substantial real world usage_ before integration into CPython than there is on even the smallest of modules for inclusion in the standard library? Because it's a VM change, not an end-user change. VM

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Ben Finney
Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes: On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:33:58 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Perhaps Steven could tell you about a lovely Australian meaning for the word “date”. This is a family list, so perhaps I shouldn't. :) In Australia slang, date is short for

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Ben Finney
Martin v. Loewis mar...@v.loewis.de writes: Not being interested in the PEP process is your choice, of course, but you shouldn't complain afterwards that your opinion wasn't considered if you didn't actually voice it appropriately. +1 QOTW -- \“I installed a skylight in my

Re: [OT] Perl 6 [was Re: myths about python 3]

2010-01-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-01-29, Neil Hodgson nyamatongwe+thun...@gmail.com wrote: Looks to me like the problem with Perl 6 was that it was too ambitious, wanting to fix all perceived problems with the language. I thought Python was Perl with all the perceived problems fixed. -- Grant --

[OT] myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:16:11 +1100, Ben Finney a écrit : I think the reason “date” was initially used is because dates are most familiar to us as fleshy, dark brown, wrinkled, compressed points. My interests in etymology and scatology unite here. Ah, I suppose it explains the strange ASCII

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Anssi Saari
Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de writes: 'Stable Debian' has a long tradition of being late and outdated on arrival. That doesn't mean you can't use existing Debian packages on it. Yes, but that's beside the point. No released version of Debian ships with Python3 or even 2.6. Oh, and RHEL5

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Anssi Saari
Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com writes: 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at best. This latter statement is false, Fedora 11 and 12 come with python 2.6. How does your mention of one distro

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Duncan Booth
Anssi Saari a...@sci.fi wrote: Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com writes: 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at best. This latter statement is false, Fedora 11 and 12 come with python 2.6. How

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Benjamin Kaplan
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Anssi Saari a...@sci.fi wrote: Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com writes: 1.  Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions.      FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at best. This latter statement is false, Fedora 11 and

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread eric_dex...@msn.com
, they simply are not aware of the facts. My list is surely incomplete, please feel free to post your favorite misconception about python 3 that people periodically state, claim or ask about. Myths about Python 3: 1.  Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions.         FALSE - most

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 29, 12:25 am, Martin v. Loewis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Well, I'd consider that an official release.  Note that I didn't claim there was no hope PSF wouldn't change it's mind on 2.8. I'd like to point out that the PSF formally doesn't have any say in this. Doesn't PSF own the

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Ben Finney
Duncan Booth duncan.bo...@invalid.invalid writes: Here's what I see in the Ubuntu packages. Python 3 seems only to be in the universe repositories so far. Dapper: Python 2.4.2 Hardy: Python 2.5.2 Intrepid: Python 2.5.2, 3.0~b3 (universe) Jaunty: Python 2.6.2, 3.0.1 (universe) Karmic:

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Benjamin Kaplan
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Duncan Booth duncan.bo...@invalid.invalid writes: Here's what I see in the Ubuntu packages. Python 3 seems only to be in the universe repositories so far. Dapper: Python 2.4.2 Hardy: Python 2.5.2 Intrepid: Python

Re: Perl 6 [was Re: myths about python 3]

2010-01-29 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 28, 9:34 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this- cybersource.com.au wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:21:05 -0800, Tim Roberts wrote: Perl 6, on the other hand, is still fantasyware a decade after its announcement.  It is, for the most part, THE canonical example of the wrong way to

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Blog
On 1/28/2010 2:56 AM, John Nagle wrote: Daniel Fetchinson wrote: 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at best. Where did you come up with that information? Almost all of the major distros ship with 2.6.x - CentOS,

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Blog
On 1/28/2010 8:44 AM, Paul Rubin wrote: Steve Holdenst...@holdenweb.com writes: Kindly confine your debate to the facts and keep the snide remarks to yourself. Like it or not Python 3 is the future, and unladen swallow's recent announcement that they would target only Python 3 represented a

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Ben Finney
Blog blogtes...@gmail.com writes: (Debian does ship with 2.5, but the next major release sid' is due out in Q2) Sid is the perpetual development playground (“unstable”), never released as a suite, but a proving ground for packages to determine their fitness for going to the next level of

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Stefan Behnel
Benjamin Kaplan, 27.01.2010 22:25: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:56 PM, John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote: 2. Python 3 is supported by multiple Python implementations. FALSE - Only CPython supports 3.x. Iron Python, Unladen Swallow, PyPy, and Jython have all stayed with 2.x

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Stefan Behnel
Ben Finney, 27.01.2010 22:50: Christian Heimes writes: John Nagle wrote: 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at best. You are wrong. Modern versions of Debian / Ubuntu are using Python 2.6. Only if by

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Paul Rubin
Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de writes: The amount of work that the Jython project put into catching up from 2.1 to 2.5/6 (new style classes! generators!) is really humongous compared to the adaptations that an implementation needs to do to support Python 3 code. I wonder whether Jython

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Aahz
In article pan.2010.01.28.00.35...@remove.this.cybersource.com.au, Steven D'Aprano ste...@remove.this.cybersource.com.au wrote: On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:25:46 -0500, Benjamin Kaplan wrote: When Python 2.6 came out, Jython was still on 2.2. The difference between 2.2 and 2.6 is almost as big of a

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Aahz
In article zt68n.3893$pv.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au, Neil Hodgson nyamatongwe+thun...@gmail.com wrote: Carl Banks: There is also no hope someone will fork Python 2.x and continue it in perpetuity. Well, someone might try to fork it, but they won't be able to call it Python. Over

RE: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Dino Viehland
Stefan wrote: From an implementors point of view, it's actually quite the opposite. Most syntax features of Python 3 can be easily implemented on top of an existing Py2 Implementation (we have most of them in Cython already, and I really found them fun to write), and the shifting-around in the

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:19:24 +, Steven D'Aprano a écrit : 4. Python 3 will make you irresistible to women. FALSE - Python 3 coders are no more likely to get a date than any other programmer. They spend less time coding, so they /can/ get more dates (what a strange English word)

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:36:29 -0800, alex23 a écrit : I've been a big supporter of Py3 from the beginning, but this repeated claim of US becoming the mainline interpreter for 3.x pretty much kills dead a lot of my interest. As long as the U-S JIT can be disabled at compile-time (and also at

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 28, 8:10 am, a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) wrote: In article zt68n.3893$pv.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au, Neil Hodgson  nyamatongwe+thun...@gmail.com wrote: Carl Banks: There is also no hope someone will fork Python 2.x and continue it in perpetuity.  Well, someone might try to

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Steve Holden
Carl Banks wrote: On Jan 28, 8:10 am, a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) wrote: In article zt68n.3893$pv.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au, Neil Hodgson nyamatongwe+thun...@gmail.com wrote: Carl Banks: There is also no hope someone will fork Python 2.x and continue it in perpetuity. Well, someone

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Terry Reedy
On 1/28/2010 2:51 PM, Steve Holden wrote: Carl Banks wrote: Regardless of how magnaminous the people of PSF are, the unfortunate reality is that trademark owners are forced by the law to be particularly petty. PSF's IP lawyer will advise not to allow unsanctioned fork of Python 2.7 to call

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Ethan Furman
Steven D'Aprano wrote: 4. Python 3 will make you irresistible to women. FALSE What?!? Drat!!! Guess I'll have to learn Lisp... ;) ~Ethan~ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Ben Finney
Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net writes: Le Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:19:24 +, Steven D'Aprano a écrit : 4. Python 3 will make you irresistible to women. FALSE - Python 3 coders are no more likely to get a date than any other programmer. They spend less time coding, so they

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 28, 11:35 am, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: Steven D'Aprano wrote: 4. Python 3 will make you irresistible to women.     FALSE What?!?  Drat!!!  Guess I'll have to learn Lisp...  ;) Irresisible? Ha! The chicks will think you have a harelip. ~Ethan~ --

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Gib Bogle
Ethan Furman wrote: Steven D'Aprano wrote: 4. Python 3 will make you irresistible to women. FALSE What?!? Drat!!! Guess I'll have to learn Lisp... ;) ~Ethan~ Learn to say this fast, you'll impress the hell out of them: Chaps with chapped lips lisp. --

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:33:58 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net writes: Le Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:19:24 +, Steven D'Aprano a écrit : 4. Python 3 will make you irresistible to women. FALSE - Python 3 coders are no more likely to get a date than any

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Steve Holden
Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:33:58 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net writes: Le Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:19:24 +, Steven D'Aprano a écrit : 4. Python 3 will make you irresistible to women. FALSE - Python 3 coders are no more likely to get a

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread alex23
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: This statement was to counter the 'myth' that US was only targeted at 2.x when the current situation is quite the opposite. Not so much 'myth' as 'outdated information', they were very clear that 2.x was the initial target. In particular, several people

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Tim Roberts
John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote: Arguably, Python 3 has been rejected by the market. Instead, there's now Python 2.6, Python 2.7, and Python 2.8. Python 3 has turned into a debacle like Perl 6, now 10 years old. Although I happen to be one of the folks who are reluctant to switch to Python

[OT] Perl 6 [was Re: myths about python 3]

2010-01-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:21:05 -0800, Tim Roberts wrote: Perl 6, on the other hand, is still fantasyware a decade after its announcement. It is, for the most part, THE canonical example of the wrong way to conduct a development effort. Out of curiosity, and completely off-topic, why has Perl 6

Re: [OT] Perl 6 [was Re: myths about python 3]

2010-01-28 Thread geremy condra
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:21:05 -0800, Tim Roberts wrote: Perl 6, on the other hand, is still fantasyware a decade after its announcement.  It is, for the most part, THE canonical example of the wrong

Re: [OT] Perl 6 [was Re: myths about python 3]

2010-01-28 Thread Chris Rebert
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:21:05 -0800, Tim Roberts wrote: Perl 6, on the other hand, is still fantasyware a decade after its announcement. It is, for the most part, THE canonical example of the wrong

Re: Perl 6 [was Re: myths about python 3]

2010-01-28 Thread alex23
geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote: Out of curiosity, and completely off-topic, why has Perl 6 gone so badly? Too much like Perl. I was going to suggest that it's probably due to the multitude of ways to it could be done :) --

Re: [OT] Perl 6 [was Re: myths about python 3]

2010-01-28 Thread Neil Hodgson
Looks to me like the problem with Perl 6 was that it was too ambitious, wanting to fix all perceived problems with the language. Python 3 is much more limited in scope: at its core its Python with Unicode fixed and old junk removed. Neil --

myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
Hi folks, I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply are not aware of the facts. My list is surely incomplete, please feel free to post

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Stefan Behnel
Daniel Fetchinson, 27.01.2010 11:32: 1. Print statement/function creates incompatibility between 2.x and 3.x! Certainly false or misleading, if one uses 2.6 and 3.x the incompatibility is not there. Print as a function works in 2.6: Python 2.6.2 (r262:71600, Aug 21 2009, 12:23:57) [GCC

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi folks, I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
Hi folks, I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply are not aware of the facts. My list is surely incomplete, please feel free to

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
1. Print statement/function creates incompatibility between 2.x and 3.x! Certainly false or misleading, if one uses 2.6 and 3.x the incompatibility is not there. Print as a function works in 2.6: Python 2.6.2 (r262:71600, Aug 21 2009, 12:23:57) [GCC 4.4.1 20090818 (Red Hat 4.4.1-6)] on

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Jean-Michel Pichavant
Daniel Fetchinson wrote: Hi folks, I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply are not aware of the facts. My list is surely

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Lie Ryan
On 01/28/10 01:32, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: Daniel Fetchinson wrote: Hi folks, I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply are

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread eric_dex...@msn.com
On Jan 27, 8:42 am, Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/28/10 01:32, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: Daniel Fetchinson wrote: Hi folks, I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the posters

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread John Nagle
, please feel free to post your favorite misconception about python 3 that people periodically state, claim or ask about. Myths about Python 3: 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at best. 2. Python 3

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-01-27, John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote: Arguably, Python 3 has been rejected by the market. Let's just say that it hasn't yet been accepted by the market. ;) Instead, there's now Python 2.6, Python 2.7, and Python 2.8. Python 3 has turned into a debacle like Perl 6, now 10 years

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
, they simply are not aware of the facts. My list is surely incomplete, please feel free to post your favorite misconception about python 3 that people periodically state, claim or ask about. Myths about Python 3: 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. FALSE - most distros

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread sjdevn...@yahoo.com
On Jan 27, 9:22 am, Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi folks, I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply are

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Ben Finney
John Nagle na...@animats.com writes: Myths about Python 3: 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at best. There's a big difference between “What list of versions of Python does fooOS ship

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Benjamin Kaplan
on purpose, they simply are not aware of the facts. My list is surely incomplete, please feel free to post your favorite misconception about python 3 that people periodically state, claim or ask about. Myths about Python 3: 1.  Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions.        FALSE

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Christian Heimes
John Nagle wrote: 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at best. You are wrong. Modern versions of Debian / Ubuntu are using Python 2.6. My Ubuntu box has python3.0, too. 2. Python 3 is supported by multiple

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Ben Finney
Adam Tauno Williams awill...@opengroupware.us writes: On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 12:56 -0800, John Nagle wrote: 2. Python 3 is supported by multiple Python implementations. FALSE - Only CPython supports 3.x. Iron Python, Unladen Swallow, PyPy, and Jython have all stayed with 2.x

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Ben Finney
Christian Heimes li...@cheimes.de writes: John Nagle wrote: 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at best. You are wrong. Modern versions of Debian / Ubuntu are using Python 2.6. Only if by “modern” you

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 16:25 -0500, Benjamin Kaplan wrote: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:56 PM, John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote: Give the package maintainers time to update. There were some pretty big changes to the C API. Most of the major 3rd party packages like numpy and MySQLdb have already

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 27, 12:56 pm, John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote: Arguably, Python 3 has been rejected by the market. No it's not fathomably arguable, because there's no reasonable way that Python 3 could have fully replaced Python 2 so quickly. At best, you could reasonably argue there hasn't been

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread exarkun
On 10:07 pm, pavlovevide...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 27, 12:56�pm, John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote: Arguably, Python 3 has been rejected by the market. No it's not fathomably arguable, because there's no reasonable way that Python 3 could have fully replaced Python 2 so quickly. At best,

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Mensanator
, they simply are not aware of the facts. My list is surely incomplete, please feel free to post your favorite misconception about python 3 that people periodically state, claim or ask about. Myths about Python 3: 1.  Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions.         FALSE - most

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Terry Reedy
On 1/27/2010 3:56 PM, John Nagle wrote: 2. Python 3 is supported by multiple Python implementations. FALSE - Only CPython supports 3.x. Iron Python, Unladen Swallow, PyPy, and Jython have all stayed with 2.x versions of Python. Actually, Unladen Swallow is now targeted at 3.1; its developers

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
to post your favorite misconception about python 3 that people periodically state, claim or ask about. Myths about Python 3: I said myths, not facts! :) s/Myths/Facts/ 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread David Malcolm
don't think the posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply are not aware of the facts. My list is surely incomplete, please feel free to post your favorite misconception about python 3 that people periodically state, claim or ask about. Myths about Python 3

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Edward A. Falk
In article mailman.1470.1264588330.28905.python-l...@python.org, Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi folks, 1. Print statement/function creates incompatibility between 2.x and 3.x! Certainly false or misleading, if one uses 2.6 and 3.x the incompatibility is not there. Print

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Edward A. Falk
In article hjq8l0$ge...@reader1.panix.com, Grant Edwards inva...@invalid.invalid wrote: That said, I don't expect to start using Python 3 until library availability or my Linux distro forces me to. If python 3 is much more efficient than python 2, or it has features I really need for some

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Ethan Furman
Daniel Fetchinson wrote: Hi folks, I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply are not aware of the facts. My list is surely

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Steven D'Aprano
, they simply are not aware of the facts. My list is surely incomplete, please feel free to post your favorite misconception about python 3 that people periodically state, claim or ask about. Myths about Python 3: 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. 2. Python 3

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 27, 2:19 pm, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 10:07 pm, pavlovevide...@gmail.com wrote: Last I heard, don't remember where, the plan was for Python 2.7 to be the last version in the Python 2 line.  If that's true, Python 3 acceptance is further along at this point than anticipated,

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Paul Rubin
Steven D'Aprano ste...@remove.this.cybersource.com.au writes: 6. The code for Python 3 was handed down to Guido from the Heavens, carved into stone tablets by the Gods themselves. That is heresy. The direction was up, not down. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:25:46 -0500, Benjamin Kaplan wrote: When Python 2.6 came out, Jython was still on 2.2. The difference between 2.2 and 2.6 is almost as big of a difference as between 2.6 and 3.0. In that time, you had the introduction of the boolean type, generators, list

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread alex23
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: Actually, Unladen Swallow is now targeted at 3.1; its developers have conservatively proposed its integration in CPython 3.3. I would not be completely shocked if it happens in 3.2. Why do I feel like there's less of an onus on Unladen Swallow to _actually

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:28:08 -0800, Paul Rubin wrote: Steven D'Aprano ste...@remove.this.cybersource.com.au writes: 6. The code for Python 3 was handed down to Guido from the Heavens, carved into stone tablets by the Gods themselves. That is heresy. The direction was up, not down.

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 27, 5:36 pm, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: Actually, Unladen Swallow is now targeted at 3.1; its developers have conservatively proposed its integration in CPython 3.3. I would not be completely shocked if it happens in 3.2. Why do I feel like

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Neil Hodgson
Carl Banks: There is also no hope someone will fork Python 2.x and continue it in perpetuity. Well, someone might try to fork it, but they won't be able to call it Python. Over time there may be more desire from those unable or unwilling to upgrade to 3.x to work on improvements to 2.x,

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Steve Holden
list is surely incomplete, please feel free to post your favorite misconception about python 3 that people periodically state, claim or ask about. Myths about Python 3: 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Paul Rubin
Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com writes: Kindly confine your debate to the facts and keep the snide remarks to yourself. Like it or not Python 3 is the future, and unladen swallow's recent announcement that they would target only Python 3 represented a ground-breaking advance for the language.

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Terry Reedy
On 1/27/2010 8:36 PM, alex23 wrote: Terry Reedytjre...@udel.edu wrote: Actually, Unladen Swallow is now targeted at 3.1; its developers have conservatively proposed its integration in CPython 3.3. This statement was to counter the 'myth' that US was only targeted at 2.x when the current