Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Loading Python on my Mac
John I'm totally new to Python and having worked in a windows John environment for years and now my personal pc of choice is a mac. John Would someone be so kind as to walk me through installing python John on a mac? John I don't want to use the newest version because the class that I'm John trying to get into uses 2.6 and 2.7 versions only. So, I need John that version installed so I can do homework assignments, etc. Have you tried /usr/bin/python? On Leopard (10.5.x) it is v 2.5.1. If you have Snow Leopard perhaps it's 2.6.something. If that won't work for your needs, just download the Mac installer image for 2.7.1 appropriate to your version of OS X from this page: http://python.org/download/releases/2.7.1/ Once installed, locate the file (probably in ~/Downloads or something similar) and double-click it to install in the usual manner. I normally just build from source (and don't bother with the framework stuff), so just to confirm my instructions, I tried it out: * download * open the disk image (double click, use the open command from a shell prompt, etc) * open the corresponding volume which that mounts (named Python 2.7.1) * double-click the Python.mpkg file to run the installer The resulting binary is in /usr/local/bin/python (non-framework version) /usr/local/bin/pythonw (framework version) I'm sure others more knowledgeable about Python-on-a-Mac will correct any mistakes I've made. -- Skip Montanaro - s...@pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/Pythonmac-SIG
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] 2.7.1 build?
Chris I say next to impossible, because I haven't found it yet, and Chris I've been poking around the web site for a few minutes. Drop the .0 and I think you've got it: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.7/ A minor inconsistency in the naming, but traditionally the first micro release of a series doesn't include the .0. -- Skip Montanaro - s...@pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/Pythonmac-SIG
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Searchable digest for this list?
Google? Searching for: site:mail.python.org Break on __THE_PROCESS_HAS_FORKED_AND_YOU_CANNOT_USE_THIS_COREFOUNDATION_FUNCTIONALITY___YOU_MUST_EXEC__() to debug. yielded just two hits. -- Skip Montanaro - s...@pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/Pythonmac-SIG
[Pythonmac-SIG] XCode for OS X 10.5?
Sorry to ask a non-Python question here, but I need this to get my laptop rebuilt so I can do stuff again. I lost the disk on my Macbook Pro which Apple kindly replaced, however my backups were partially toast, so I had to reinstall OS X from scratch. (Luckily /Users was viable. Whew!) I can't find a version of XCode which works with Mac OS X 10.5. All Apple will show me on their dev site is XCode 3.2 which requires Snow Leopard. I can't build a dang thing - no make or gcc for instance. Any pointers appreciated. Thanks, Skip Montanaro ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/Pythonmac-SIG
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)
(Moving this response from python-dev to pythonmac-sig...) Michael A build on my machine produces output similar to: Michael Python build finished, but the necessary bits to build these modules Michael were not found: Michael _bsddb dl gdbm Michael imageoplinuxaudiodev ossaudiodev Michael readline spwd sunaudiodev Michael To find the necessary bits, look in setup.py in detect_modules() for the Michael module's name. Michael Failed to build these modules: Michael _tkinter Using /usr/bin/python (Apple's 2.5.1) as a reference I find that I am able to import the following modules from the above lists: imageop readline dl _tkinter Using the Enthought framework build (2.5.4) I can import: bsddb imageop readline dl _tkinter I don't have one of Ronald's framework builds handy, but the above suggests several of those which failed to build for you should build. I tried a framework build after doing the following: * remove /opt/local and /usr/local from my set of environment variables * rename /usr/local to /usr/local- * comment out references to /sw and /opt/local in setup.py. dl, _tkinter and imageop built for me. You must be missing Tcl and Tk from /Library/Frameworks to miss on _tkinter. Not sure why the dl and imageop modules failed for you. otool -L suggests that the only dylib files required are libgcc_s and libSystem, both in /usr/lib. Are you missing some header files perhaps? Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/Pythonmac-SIG
[Pythonmac-SIG] Test message ... please ignore
Testing a change to the footer. You can ignore. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/Pythonmac-SIG
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Whats the invalid syntax about
please suggest what could have gone wrong here why am i getting a syntax error It's a quirk of the interactive interpreter. To terminate a loop you need a blank input line: some_list = [3,6,2,5] i = 1 while i 3: ... print some_list[i], ; ... i = i + 1 ... 6 ; 2 ; print some_list[3] 5 -- Skip Montanaro - s...@pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/ America's vaunted free press notwithstanding, story ideas that expose the unseemly side of actual or potential advertisers tend to fall by the wayside. Not quite sure why. -- Jim Thornton ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Official 'right way' to create a universal build of Python?
Mark Having done this, how do I package things up to transfer them to Mark the iBook? What files need to be transferred? If this is a one-time thing I would use brute force and tar up the entire source directory and put it over on your g4. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Can't convert simple Python script to bundle with py2app
You're building a 2.7? what is that? I thought Python was going from 2.6 to 3.0. Building from Subversion trunk identifies itself as 2.7a0. There will be a number of other 2.x versions released more-or-less in parallel with 3.y versions. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Can't convert simple Python script to bundle with py2app
Python (from Subversion trunk in this case) was configured using --enable-shared, but there is no libpython2.7.dylib to be found anywhere inside of the --prefix directory. It does generate a libpython2.7.a file. I'm not doing a framework build. Do I need to? Chris very likely, yes. Py2app was designed around the Framework Chris build. In any case, it looks like you've got a static lib for the Chris main python lib, and py2app with require a dynamic one. Hmmm... I just built a framework version. I configured like so: ../configure --enable-framework='/Users/skip/Applications' \ --enable-shared --prefix='/Users/skip/local' \ CPPFLAGS='-I/Users/skip/local/include -I/opt/local/include' \ LDFLAGS='-L/Users/skip/local/lib -L/opt/local/lib' No .dylib file was created. I ran make altinstall then checked in both /Users/skip/Applications/Python.framework and in ~/local. Still no Python .dylib files. Then I scoured the Makefile looking for promising targets to try. I tried making both sharedmods and sharedinstall. Nothing. Thinking the --enable-framework and --prefix flags might mess up configure in some way I reconfigured without specifying --prefix. make clean. make sharedinstall. Still no dylib files. Any other ideas I might try? I finally just submitted a bug report: http://bugs.python.org/issue4472 Thanks, Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] Building Python 2.3 on Mac OS X 10.5.5
I'm trying to build Python 2.3 on my Mac (OS X 10.5.5) so I can use it simply to test my lockfile package. It configures fine and the basic make step works, but the executable has some sort of problem with semaphore operations: % ./python.exe sem_init: Function not implemented sem_wait: Bad file descriptor sem_post: Bad file descriptor sem_wait: Bad file descriptor sem_post: Bad file descriptor sem_init: Function not implemented sem_trywait: Bad file descriptor sem_wait: Bad file descriptor sem_post: Bad file descriptor sem_init: Function not implemented ... lots of similar messages ad nauseum ... sem_post: Bad file descriptor sem_init: Function not implemented sem_trywait: Bad file descriptor sem_wait: Bad file descriptor sem_init: Function not implemented sem_post: Bad file descriptor Traceback (most recent call last): File /Users/skip/.python.py, line 21, in ? from save_session import mark, save, load File /Users/skip/misc/python/save_session.py, line 21, in ? raise ImportError(session save/restore requires readline module) ImportError: session save/restore requires readline module I compared the code related to sem_init between 2.3 and trunk but didn't see anything which looked promising. Any thoughts? Thx, -- Skip Montanaro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://smontanaro.dyndns.org/ ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] Can't convert simple Python script to bundle with py2app
I have a trivial little script:
#!/usr/bin/env python
import os
import sys
os.execl(/Users/skip/local/bin/gnuclient, *sys.argv[1:])
which I want to convert to a .app bundle. I downloaded and installed py2app
using easy_install, successfully ran py2applet to generate a setup.py file:
This is a setup.py script generated by py2applet
Usage:
python setup.py py2app
from setuptools import setup
APP = ['rungnucl.py']
DATA_FILES = []
OPTIONS = {'argv_emulation': True}
setup(
app=APP,
data_files=DATA_FILES,
options={'py2app': OPTIONS},
setup_requires=['py2app'],
)
then ran python setup.py py2app which gave me a traceback and dropped me
into pdb:
...
copying /Users/skip/local/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload/unicodedata.so -
/Users/skip/tmp/dist/rungnucl.app/Contents/Resources/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload
copying /Users/skip/local/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload/zlib.so -
/Users/skip/tmp/dist/rungnucl.app/Contents/Resources/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload
copying /Users/skip/local/bin/python -
/Users/skip/tmp/dist/rungnucl.app/Contents/MacOS
Traceback (most recent call last):
File
/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/py2app-0.3.6-py2.7.egg/py2app/build_app.py,
line 548, in _run
self.run_normal()
File
/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/py2app-0.3.6-py2.7.egg/py2app/build_app.py,
line 619, in run_normal
self.create_binaries(py_files, pkgdirs, extensions, loader_files)
File
/Users/skip/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/py2app-0.3.6-py2.7.egg/py2app/build_app.py,
line 723, in create_binaries
mm.mm.run_file(runtime)
File build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/macholib/MachOGraph.py, line 65,
in run_file
raise ValueError('%r does not exist' % (pathname,))
ValueError: '/Users/skip/local/lib/libpython2.7.dylib' does not exist
/Users/skip/tmp/build/bdist.macosx-10.3-i386/egg/macholib/MachOGraph.py(65)run_file()
(Pdb)
Python (from Subversion trunk in this case) was configured using
--enable-shared, but there is no libpython2.7.dylib to be found anywhere
inside of the --prefix directory. It does generate a libpython2.7.a file.
I'm not doing a framework build. Do I need to?
Thanks,
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[Pythonmac-SIG] How to record audio from Python?
Can I easily control audio record/playback from Python on my Mac? I know zip about audio recording or about Apple APIs via Python. Pointers to simple examples would be much appreciated. Thanks, Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] non-framework Python 2.5.2 has empty lib-dynload
Gary ./configure --prefix=/Users/gary/opt/py25 LDFLAGS=-L/opt/local/lib Gary OPT=-I/opt/local/include Gary make Gary make install Gary (The LDFLAGS and OPT are there to get readline and zlib from Darwin Gary Ports in the Python.) Gary I got some warnings about expat, but nothing serious during configure Gary and make. Gary But oddly, /Users/gary/opt/py25/library/python2.5/lib-dynload was Gary completely empty. So, for instance, I couldn't do basic things Gary like ``import math``. Works for me. I build a number of different versions on my Mac quite frequently. Just to make sure I wasn't fooling myself, I svn up'd my 2.5 branch, then reran configure make clean make -j2 make altinstall and then checked the lib-dynload timestamps. They looked fine. You can try running make -n altinstall and looking at the end of the output. You should see something like this: for i in X ; do \ if test $i != X; then \ echo /usr/bin/install -c -m 555 $i /Users/skip/local/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/`basename $i`; \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 555 $i /Users/skip/local/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/`basename $i`; \ fi; \ done That install command is what populates your lib-dynloads directory. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] non-framework Python 2.5.2 has empty lib-dynload
CHB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: make altinstall CHB maybe that's it -- I think the OP was running install rather than CHB altinstall. What is altinstall supposed to do differently? Nah... The install target depends on the altinstall target. All it does beyond that is create a symlink called python and install the Python man page. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] locating Python.h
Feat I've carefully read the section about building extensions, ... Feat but this doesn't tell me how to locate the right Python header Feat file... Distutils takes care of that for you. All you should need to do is #include Python.h in your source. As you concluded, the correct one to use is the one which corresponds to the Python executable you're using. I believe distutils uses sys.exec_prefix and the version of the running Pyhon to get a base directory for the installation. From there it's just a hop, skip and jump to the installed Include directory which corresponds to that running executable. For example, for my current python, 2.6, I installed it in ~/local. That gives me an include file directory of ~/local/include/python2.6. -- Skip Montanaro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.webfast.com/~skip/ ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to print unicode to OS-X Terminal.app
Chris So how to I get Python to convert to utf-8 with a print Chris statement, instead of ascii? The print statement can't do it directly, but you can encode Unicode objects using different charsets then print the result. Try this: unicode(\xef, latin-1) u'\xef' unicode(\xef, latin-1).encode(utf-8) '\xc3\xaf' print unicode(\xef, latin-1).encode(utf-8) ï -- Skip Montanaro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.webfast.com/~skip/ ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] Having trouble building Python w/ Tcl/Tk on my new Macbook Pro
I finally put my PowerBook G4 out to pasture and bought a MacBook Pro. I used SetupAssistant to transfer data from the old box to the new one. I'm having trouble building any version of _tkinter (from svn 2.5, trunk (2.6) or py3k) on my new box. Today I decided to debug the problem a bit. I'm getting this warning when linking _tkinter.so: ld: warning in /Library/Frameworks//Tcl.framework/Tcl, file is not of required architecture ld: warning in /Library/Frameworks//Tk.framework/Tk, file is not of required architecture which suggests to me that those versions of Tcl and Tk are probably PPC only. (I suspect old AquaTk frameworks copied over by SetupAssistant.) Looking in /Library/Frameworks I see drwxr-xr-x 6 root admin 204 Apr 29 2007 AquaTerm.framework drwxr-xr-x 6 root staff 204 Jan 26 2005 CamelBones.framework drwxrwxr-x 5 root admin 170 Aug 4 2007 FxPlug.framework drwxr-xr-x 10 root admin 340 Aug 15 2005 GMP.framework drwxrwxr-x 8 root admin 272 Jan 31 00:40 HPDeviceModel.framework drwxrwxr-x 6 root admin 204 Jan 31 00:40 HPPml.framework drwxrwxr-x 7 root admin 238 Jan 31 00:40 HPServicesInterface.framework drwxrwxr-x 7 root admin 238 Jan 31 00:40 HPSmartPrint.framework drwxrwxrwx 6 skip staff 204 Feb 8 2005 HaskellSupport.framework drwxr-xr-x 9 ellen wheel 306 Sep 6 2006 Mono.framework drwxrwxr-x 5 root admin 170 Aug 4 2007 PluginManager.framework drwxrwxr-x 4 root staff 136 Jun 20 2003 PrintMeSSL.framework drwxrwxr-x 5 root admin 170 Aug 4 2007 ProFX.framework drwxrwxr-x 7 skip admin 238 Apr 18 2007 Python.framework drwxrwxr-x 6 root admin 204 Jan 31 2005 SASL2.framework drwx-- 5 skip admin 170 May 2 2004 SDL.framework drwxrwxr-x@ 6 root admin 204 Sep 26 2005 StuffIt.framework drwxrwxr-x@ 5 root admin 170 Sep 26 2005 StuffItSupport.framework drwxr-xr-x 11 root admin 374 May 14 2004 Tcl.framework dr-xr-xr-x 11 root staff 374 May 14 2004 Tk.framework drwxrwxr-x@ 6 root admin 204 Jan 24 2002 XPrint2ModemCtrAPI.framework There are a number of frameworks there which look suspiciously old. How can I tell which are PPC and which are Intel? Is it okay to just remove the Tcl Tk frameworks? (Renaming them caused the link to succeed.) I noticed much more recent versions in /System/Library/Frameworks. Thanks, Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Having trouble building Python w/ Tcl/Tk on my new Macbook Pro
Thanks Nicholas Kevin for the hints about /Library and discovering the PPC-ed-ness of files. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pystone numbers for different Macs...
Daniel ... the benchmark wasn't written to take advantage of multi-core Daniel machines--silly me I thought any good benchmark would be. A little bit of pystone history. Python's pystone benchmark is a translation of the Dhrystone benchmark, which was originally written in Ada in the mid 80s, then translated to C. I'm pretty sure Guido used the C version as the basis for pystone. There is no multithreading in Dhrystone, so it's understandable that pystone is thread-free as well. One value of a benchmark is its stability over time. Since its addition to Python in 1995 it has had just two bug fixes to the implementation. You could certainly fork pystone to create a version that did use multiple threads, but you'd have to call it something else, pystone-t perhaps. It would be a different benchmark. The only other changes of note to the benchmark are due to the speed of modern CPUs. The number of passes of the algorithm to run by default has grown over the years as processor speeds have increased. When first included in Python in 1995 it ran 1000 passes of the main loop. Today it defaults to 50,000 to get reasonable runtimes on modern CPUs. Even so, on most current 2-3 GHz CPUs it will run in about a second, so it's probably time to increase the number of passes again. More detail about the Dhrystone benchmark, including a floating point predecessor, the Whetstone benchmark, and a couple versions of the C source you can build and run, are on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhrystone For the history of the pystone benchmark, UTSL: http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk/Lib/test/pystone.py Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pystone numbers for different Macs...
Ronald What is interesting though is the difference between 32-bit and Ronald 64-bit code: Ronald Python 2.5.2a0 (60124) Ronald 32-bit: 52083 Ronald 64-bit: 60871 Ronald 64-bit code is significantly faster here (all of this on a Ronald MacBook Pro 2.33Ghz/3GByte) Thanks. Is that something available on the entire line of Core 2 Duo CPUs? Is it something I can enable on my dual processor G5 or my G4 PowerBook? If so, let me know and I'll add more rows. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pystone numbers for different Macs...
Daniel I am assuming the GIL is limiting threading and therefore I am Daniel really running on one or two cores--hence the tangible Daniel improvement is just CPU speed: from 2.33 GHz to 3.0 GHz and a Daniel bit of the memory bandwidth increase as well. The GIL doesn't enter into things here. The pystones benchmark isn't multithreaded so even if Python was free-threaded the pystones benchmark wouldn't benefit from it. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pystone numbers for different Macs...
Ian It would be interesting to see if that held up on ppc64. My guess Ian is that it would benchmark slower in 64-bit mode than 32-bit mode Ian on ppc. I added a pystone entry to the table for my G5 with the Python 2.6a0 interpreter compiled with -fast -fPIC -fwrapv. I saw a reasonable speedup (35461 - 37313). Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pystone numbers for different Macs...
Jack So: any other speculations as to why 2.66Ghz-3.0Ghz gives only a 1% Jack increase in pystones? Maybe compilation flags. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] Pystone numbers for different Macs...
My Powerbook G4 is getting rather long-in-the-tooth. It's display is starting to act up, so I think I'm going to buy a new Mac something in the fairly near future, but I'm not yet sure what. To that end, I've started a table of pystone numbers for Macs on the Python wiki: http://wiki.python.org/moin/MacPython/MacModelPerformance If you could help by adding some rows to the table, especially for current MacBook, MacBook Pro or (in the near future, MacBook Air) models, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, -- Skip Montanaro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.webfast.com/~skip/ The major difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Republicans don't know that Randy Newman's lyrics are full of sarcasm. ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] readline support for OS X Leopard
Noah ... if someone has any easy fix to get readline to work, I would Noah greatly appreciate it. Just install GNU readline and point the build system at it. For example, I have MacPorts (http://www.macports.org/) installed in /opt/local. GNU readline is installed there, and my readline module is linked against that: % otool -L ~/local/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload/readline.so /Users/skip/local/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload/readline.so: /opt/local/lib/libreadline.5.2.dylib (compatibility version 5.0.0, current version 5.2.0) /opt/local/lib/libncursesw.5.dylib (compatibility version 5.0.0, current version 5.0.0) /usr/lib/libmx.A.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 93.0.0) /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 88.1.10) Configured like so: ./configure --prefix=/Users/skip/local CPPFLAGS=-I/opt/local/include \ LDFLAGS=-L/opt/local/lib I don't do framework builds, but if CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS are set appropriately those should work as well. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] ctypes and gestalt
Bill The only use for the gestalt dependency is to check the version of Bill OS X. Bill I'd like to replace that with ... Looks find to me. I say check it in and let people (or buildbots) complain if something breaks. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] How to generate C files in Mac/Modules?
How are all the extension modules in Mac/Modules generated? I'm trying to remove PyArg_Parse() from the Python 3 C API. They use PyArg_Parse extensively. If they were autogenerated I'd rather fix the generator instead of editing each file by hand. Thanks, Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] Can someone help me reverse engineer this installer?
A long time ago Sam Thorne created a Mac installer for SpamBayes. It's referenced here: http://entrian.com/sbwiki/MacOSXPackage and source is available here: http://www.s-j-t.co.uk/SpamBayes/SpamBayesPkg%200.5.zip The binary package here: http://www.s-j-t.co.uk/SpamBayes/SpamBayesPackage.pkg.tgz won't untar for me. It complains about a lone zero block at 678. I'd like to start generating Mac installer packages for the normal SpamBayes distribution, but for that I need some help getting started (having never done any Mac package creation before). I sent email to the author asking about how he created the one he did but haven't heard back from him (maybe he's just on holiday). Can one of the MacPython experts here deduce how the above package was generated and suggest how to proceed? I don't even know what the best package creator is on the Mac for Python-based apps. Thx, Skip Montanaro ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] MacPython wiki moved to Python wiki - now it's your turn...
Kevin I was just looking at the new MacPython pages at the Python Kevin wiki--it appears nothing has been done with them since Skip moved Kevin them over. I'm thinking this is a terrific opportunity to bring Kevin them up to date: would anyone mind if I got started? A lot of Kevin this stuff doesn't appear to have been touched for three or four Kevin years. I say go for it. You are correct in presuming the functional content has not been improved. The spammers have rediscovered it at its new home and continue to play their silly games, but there are a group of us committed to keeping the Python wiki cleaned up in that respect. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Roundup Issue Tracker
Samuel Anyone on this list installed the python based roundup issue Samuel tracker with framework python2.5? Nope... Samuel How did you use --prefix or --install_scripts with setup.py? Something like python setup.py install --prefix=/alter/na/tive/dir Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] MacPython wiki moved to Python wiki - now it's your turn...
After much wailing and gnashing of teeth the past couple of days, I managed
to move (most of?) the content from the MacPython wiki to the main Python
wiki (*). All pages were created as subpages of
http://wiki.python.or/moin/MacPython
The motivation for this rather hasty move was that the MacPython wiki was
running an ancient version of MoinMoin and got spammed heavily. Because of
its age and vulnerability it was simply too hard to keep up with all the
wiki spammers. So I moved everything.
I did very little to try and fix up link references. Moin's subpage
references have always befuddled me, and many of the page references were
weirded out to begin with, so there you have it: royal link spaghetti.
This is where you come in. You can do any number of things to try to
identify and fix problems:
* Visit http://wiki.python.org/moin/OrphanedPages and see if there are
any MacPython/... pages which are orphaned (hint: there are quite a
few). Then see if you can find an incorrect link which should refer
to the orphaned page.
* Visit the MacPython pages. Just do a title search for MacPython to
locate them. Visit and clean up as appropriate.
* Everything got pushed down, even home pages. One of three things can
reasonably be done:
1. Move a home page up if there isn't one at the top level.
2. Replace an uplevel home page with the MacPython version if the
latter is better.
3. Merge the content from the MacPython version into the uplevel home
page.
Instead of performing #2 and #3 yourself, you might send an email to
the person and ask them to do the merge/replace. In any case, this
operation is likely to require some link fiddling.
* There may also be non-homepage pages at the top level which should be
merged with or replaced by (or replace) the MacPython version.
VisualPython comes to mind. Use your judgement
* There are lots of unprotected path references in the content,
e.g. /System/Library sitting there looking like a link when it should
probably be {{{/System/Library}}}.
* There may still be a bit of spam lurking in the pages. I tried to
eliminate all the crap, but I might have missed some.
* Many pages could use Category references. There are lots of pages
referring to scripting specific Mac applications, home pages and many
code samples. Adding CategoryMac or CategoryAppScript might be
reasonable as well.
* Use your WikiImagination. There are probably lots of other things
that can be done. I think the MacPython wiki had fallen into a bit of
disrepair, even if you ignore the spam problem, so a little general
TLC would probably help.
Skip
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[Pythonmac-SIG] Any decision about the pythonmac.org wiki?
Bob et al, A few of us continue to try and push back the teeming hordes of spammers who are wreaking havoc on the MacPython wiki. Are you back in the US somewhere? Any thoughts on a longer term solution? One thought I had was simply to migrate the current state (after checking and eliminating spam) to the regular Python wiki, renaming all pages to live under http://wiki.python.org/moin/MacPython in the process. The advantage of that is that maintenance of the wiki software proper is lifted off your shoulders. The disadvantage is a loss of some control (e.g. no fancy snake/apple icon). Would that work for you? Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Any decision about the pythonmac.org wiki?
Bob I'm just waiting for someone to volunteer to do whatever it is that Bob is to be done :) Moving it to python.org would probably be the Bob option that requires least maintenance... I could set up a rewrite Bob rule once it's moved. I have a simple script to slurp the raw pages. Can you stick in a redirect or rewrite on your web server that maps all URLs which contain action=edit to a static page that says the wiki is frozen or is undergoing maintenance? I'll slurp, clean and map URLs as necessary, then install the result in the proper place. Thx, Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] So what can we do to clean up the wiki?
I realize Bob's kind of hamstrung at the moment. I set up my login to the wiki to monitor all changes. I went through and fixed what I could. Without revert or DeletePage actions it's a bit tough. In addition, when I went to restore the FAQ and DrawBot content it told me too many links and wouldn't let me replace the crap with the correct content! I had to do them in several edits... If someone knows how to delete pages in that old version of Moin (SystemInfo barfs with a MemoryError, so I can't tell how old it is), please search for junk or spam in the text of all pages. Many of the pages that are returned should just be deleted. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Hello, and Wiki vandalism
Uche http://pythonmac.org/wiki/FAQ Uche The page was spammed/vandalized on the 18th. I checked recent Uche changes and a lot of pages got this treatment in mid-December,. Uche I'm surprised they haven't been fixed, considering the importance Uche of these pages. I know it's probably just a lack of volunteer Uche time but I also know MoinMoin has some serviceable anti-spam Uche features. I tried to fix the FAQ page myself reverting to the Uche pre-spam version, but there seems to be some bug where preview Uche shows the fixed version, but when I submit, it seems to be Uche re-submitting the spam version. Really strange. Leaves me Uche wondering what's the status of admin on the wiki. I just set up a login. I don't even get a revert link with I click the info link. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pysqlite build problem
Ronald == Ronald Oussoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ronald On Oct 15, 2006, at 11:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to get pysqlite 2.3.2 built on my Mac (OSX 10.4.8, gcc-4.0, Python 2.4.4c1). Sqlite built and installed into /usr/local just fine. I adjusted setup.cfg appropriately: [build_ext] define= include_dirs=/usr/local/include:/usr/include library_dirs=/usr/local/lib:/usr/lib libraries=sqlite3 Ronald Why do you add /usr/include and /usr/lib to include_dirs and Ronald library_dirs? I didn't add them. They were there by default. I believe I tried taking them out leaving just /usr/local/* and the results were worse. I'll go back and give it another try when I have a chance. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] Pysqlite build problem
I'm trying to get pysqlite 2.3.2 built on my Mac (OSX 10.4.8, gcc-4.0, Python 2.4.4c1). Sqlite built and installed into /usr/local just fine. I adjusted setup.cfg appropriately: [build_ext] define= include_dirs=/usr/local/include:/usr/include library_dirs=/usr/local/lib:/usr/lib libraries=sqlite3 and tried building: running build running build_py creating build creating build/lib.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4 creating build/lib.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/pysqlite2 copying pysqlite2/__init__.py - build/lib.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/pysqlite2 copying pysqlite2/dbapi2.py - build/lib.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/pysqlite2 creating build/lib.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/pysqlite2/test copying pysqlite2/test/__init__.py - build/lib.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/pysqlite2/test copying pysqlite2/test/dbapi.py - build/lib.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/pysqlite2/test copying pysqlite2/test/factory.py - build/lib.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/pysqlite2/test copying pysqlite2/test/hooks.py - build/lib.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/pysqlite2/test copying pysqlite2/test/regression.py - build/lib.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/pysqlite2/test copying pysqlite2/test/transactions.py - build/lib.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/pysqlite2/test copying pysqlite2/test/types.py - build/lib.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/pysqlite2/test copying pysqlite2/test/userfunctions.py - build/lib.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/pysqlite2/test running build_ext building 'pysqlite2._sqlite' extension creating build/temp.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4 creating build/temp.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/src gcc -arch ppc -arch i386 -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -fno-strict-aliasing -Wno-long-double -no-cpp-precomp -mno-fused-madd -fno-common -dynamic -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -DMODULE_NAME=pysqlite2.dbapi2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -I/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/python2.4 -c src/module.c -o build/temp.macosx-10.3-fat-2.4/src/module.o In file included from /usr/include/math.h:28, from /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/python2.4/pyport.h:94, from /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/python2.4/Python.h:55, from src/connection.h:26, from src/module.c:24: /usr/include/architecture/i386/math.h:439: warning: conflicting types for built-in function 'scalb' In file included from /usr/include/math.h:26, from /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/python2.4/pyport.h:94, from /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/python2.4/Python.h:55, from src/connection.h:26, from src/module.c:24: /usr/include/architecture/ppc/math.h:477: warning: conflicting types for built-in function 'scalb' In file included from /usr/include/wchar.h:112, from /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/python2.4/unicodeobject.h:118, from /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/python2.4/Python.h:81, from src/connection.h:26In file included from /usr/include/wchar.h:112, from src/module.c:24: , from /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/python2.4/unicodeobject.h:118/usr/include/stdarg.h:4:25:, from /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/python2.4/Python.h:81 , from src/connection.h:26error: , from src/module.c:24: stdarg.h: No such file or directory/usr/include/stdarg.h:4:25: error: stdarg.h: No such file or directory lipo: can't figure out the architecture type of: /var/tmp//ccofOA40.out error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1 It seems the compile is failing on the #include_next stdarg.h line in /usr/include/stdarg.h. Running find against /usr indicates that there are several 4.0 versions of stdarg.h: /usr/include/gcc/darwin/3.3/stdarg.h /usr/include/stdarg.h /usr/lib/gcc/i686-apple-darwin8/4.0.0/include/stdarg.h /usr/lib/gcc/i686-apple-darwin8/4.0.0/install-tools/include/stdarg.h /usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-apple-darwin8/4.0.0/include/stdarg.h /usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-apple-darwin8/4.0.0/install-tools/include/stdarg.h I tried reinstalling XCode 2 from the install disk, but I still don't see a gcc 4.0 version of stdarg.h. /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink to /usr/bin/gcc-4.0. Software Update says my machine is up-to-date. I must be missing something, but what? Thx, Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pysqlite build problem
skip I'm trying to get pysqlite 2.3.2 built on my Mac (OSX 10.4.8, skip gcc-4.0, Python 2.4.4c1) ... skip stdarg.h: No such file or directory/usr/include/stdarg.h:4:25: skip error: stdarg.h: No such file or directory I updated setup.cfg to include /usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-apple-darwin8/4.0.0: [build_ext] define= include_dirs=/usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-apple-darwin8/4.0.0/include:/usr/local/include:/usr/include library_dirs=/usr/local/lib:/usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-apple-darwin8/4.0.0:/usr/lib libraries=sqlite3 Pysqlite builds with that change and passes all its tests. What does it take to get gcc to consider that directory by default? Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Wiki suggestions
Perry I'm curious if anyone on this list has either a suggestion for Perry some Python based Wiki software or a pointer to a site that can Perry help me in my search. MoinMoin? http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
Bill But the NEWS section of python.org is totally disfunctional. Bill Months go by without anyone bothering to add anything to it; I Bill think the trouble is that no one knows what the add procedure Bill is. I tend to agree with you. Given all the recent changes to the site, including a completely new tool chain used to build it, details about updating various bits like NEWS have been lost by many. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
Ronald It is annoying that www.python.org/download/mac doesn't mention Ronald the universal installer. It does now. It will take a few minutes for the global build process to update the website, but I checked in a minimal change to Subversion. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...
Ronald I don't know who will do it, I do know that we won't get very Ronald far by just talking about it ;-). Pick some part that you Ronald consider broken and propose how this can be fixed. I do want to Ronald fix as many bugs as possible for python 2.5, but that won't Ronald happen by itself. If you find something that needs fixing to the website and don't have Subversion checkin privileges, feel free to send me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) the proposed change(s). I tend to get behind reading Python mailing lists not directly related to Python development, but if you send changes directly to me I'll try and get to them within a few hours or a day. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Icons for universal build (was: Download page on www.python.org now updated)
Brendan Python Documents: http://twototango.blogs.com/PythonDocument.icns Brendan Python Launcher: http://twototango.blogs.com/PythonLauncher.icns Brendan Idle: http://twototango.blogs.com/Idle.icns Dumb question probably, but what reads/writes those files? Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated
Surely better to act up front! More snakes on the web page! Ronald But Python isn't named after snakes ;-) ;-) True enough, but I think even Guido has abandoned that argument. Had it been named Monty Python, Cleese or Cheeseshop you might have a leg to stand on, but it's just Python. Many people younger than 30 will not understand the reference. Most people outside North America and Europe won't know what it means either. I think you just have to accept that snakes are going to be part of the package. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated
Guido has just announced (at his PyCon keynote) that the new web site (see beta.python.org) is going live a week from tomorrow (or Sunday, March 5), and has requested help migrating the content. Bill I see that the content on the downloads page is different on the Bill beta site, and wrong w.r.t. MacPython. Is that page (currently in Bill rest format) going to be replaced with the page from the current Bill web site (also wrong)? Should I just fix it? I just converted it yesterday. Does this page http://beta.python.org/download/mac/ still look wrong to you? It's got the python-squeezing-the-apple icon for me. If that's not the case for you perhaps you just need to do a page reload or empty your browser's cache (or your proxy server's cache). Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated
Russell I just checked and of course the old Macintosh content is Russell present on the beta site (as well as an unfortunate item on the Russell main download page indicating that only 2.3 is available for Russell download on Mac OS X). Yeah, I plan to take care of that as well, just haven't had the chance. At the moment I'm trying to get the pyramid stuff working. Tim Parkin is helping me via the net. Once I've either gotten that taken care of (or given up on it) I will update the content and check in the relevant files. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to fetch iCal todo description?
has It's definitely there in 10.3 and 10.4, ... ... hasProperties: ... hasdescription Unicode -- The todo notes. * ... Note when I looked (OSX 10.3.9, iCal 1.5.5). I ran out and bought Tiger last night. It's there now... Thanks, Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] ical.py loose in the wild
My little iCal event/todo manipulator is loose and available from my Python Bits page: http://orca.mojam.com/~skip/python/ It allows you to add or print iCal events and todos from the command line. You can also feed appropriately formatted email messages to it and turn them into todos or events. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript introspection?
ned 1. appscript supplies a help method for appscript objects. has You can also render terminology to HTML file using the htmldoc has module. Easiest way is via HTMLDictionary Thanks for the excellent help. They are just what I need... Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] How to fetch iCal todo description?
I'm plugging away at my little ical appscript interface. The help postings were, well, helpful. Thanks for those. I'm stuck trying to figure out how to get the notes for a todo. If I create a todo via iCal and add a note to it, I don't see any property of the todo instance that contains that note. The HTMLDictionary output doesn't list description or note as one of the properties of a todo item, yet it's clearly there in iCal. If I export my todos, I see a DESCRIPTION field in the generated .ics file: BEGIN:VCALENDAR VERSION:2.0 X-WR-CALNAME:Home ... BEGIN:VTODO PRIORITY:0 DTSTAMP:20060211T195419Z UID:D83B6B12-9B38-11DA-9E55-0003939F0506 SEQUENCE:6 STATUS:COMPLETED DTSTART;TZID=America/Chicago:20060211T132904 SUMMARY:another release COMPLETED:20060211T06Z DESCRIPTION:This is a note for the todo...\nAnother line. DUE;TZID=America/Chicago:20060221T00 END:VTODO ... END:VCALENDAR Any clue how I can fetch it via appscript? Thx, -- Skip Montanaro http://www.musi-cal.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to fetch iCal todo description?
Paul On 2/11/06 3:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm stuck trying to figure out how to get the notes for a todo. Paul Which OS are you in? OSX 10.3.9 and iCal 1.5.5. Paul In Panther, 'description' is missing from the AppleScript Paul dictionary. In Tiger, it's there (plus other stuff and several bug Paul fixes). Since appscript would be accessing the same attributes as Paul AppleScript, that would be the explanation, if you're in OS Paul 10.3. I see. I just saw your note from 2003: http://lists.apple.com/archives/Applescript-users/2003/Nov/msg00673.html and filed a bug report. :-} Paul Upgrade to Tiger. *sigh* Okay, maybe a Tiger upgrade would be worth it at this point. (Is 10.5 in beta yet?) I could really make use of basic iCal access without having access to the GUI. I rarely have my 'book at work, but am generally ssh-ed into it. Being able to add and display events todos from the shell would be very useful. Paul The first version or two of all the iApps are crap from the Paul scriptability angle. They seem to improve a lot with later Paul versions: iCal in Tiger is pretty good, as is Address Book in Paul Panther (and Tiger). This is good news. Paul Please always include which version of software and OS you're Paul discussing. My apologies. It didn't occur to me that it would be a bug in iCal. I thought I was just doing something wrong (looking for the wrong property or going about getting that bit of information the wrong way). Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] strange #!/usr/bin/pythonw behavior...
#!/usr/bin/pythonw Bob Sounds like you're using OS X 10.3. It shipped with pythonw as a Bob shell script, not an executable. Yes, thanks. Shoulda thought to actually look at /usr/bin/pythonw... Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] strange #!/usr/bin/pythonw behavior...
#!/usr/bin/pythonw Bob Sounds like you're using OS X 10.3. It shipped with pythonw as a Bob shell script, not an executable. skip Yes, thanks. Shoulda thought to actually look at skip /usr/bin/pythonw... Alas, explicitly specifying the long path didn't work either. It bombs on import of appscript: Traceback (most recent call last): File /Users/skip/cmd/ical.py, line 11, in ? from appscript import * File /Library/Python/2.3/appscript/__init__.py, line 16, in ? from specifier import app, CommandError File /Library/Python/2.3/appscript/specifier.py, line 9, in ? import aem File /Library/Python/2.3/aem/__init__.py, line 25, in ? from send import * File /Library/Python/2.3/aem/send/__init__.py, line 103, in ? raise RuntimeError, Can't send Apple events: no access to Window Manager. (aem-based scripts must be run within a GUI process; e.g. use 'pythonw', not 'python', if running script in shell) RuntimeError: Can't send Apple events: no access to Window Manager. (aem-based scripts must be run within a GUI process; e.g. use 'pythonw', not 'python', if running script in shell) even when run from a Terminal window. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] appscript introspection?
I'm trying to drive iCal using appscript. I can follow simple examples,
mostly like a parrot though. This works, for example:
ev = app('iCal').calendars.filter(its.title==Home).events
events = zip(ev.start_date.get(), ev.end_date.get(),
ev.summary.get(), ev.description.get())
but I haven't found anywhere that lists all the attributes of an event, so I
can't tell what it has other than start_date, end_date, summary and
description. If I don't have an example to use as a cheat sheet, how can I
tell how to add an alarm to an event? Where can I find such information?
Thx,
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[Pythonmac-SIG] strange #!/usr/bin/pythonw behavior...
I want to manipulate iCal from the command line. Thanks to appscript it looks like I'll be able to do what I want. I wrote a simple skeleton script: #!/usr/bin/pythonw %(prog)s - manipulate iCal import sys import os import getopt from appscript import * ... etc ... I made it executable and tried executing it from the bash prompt in a Terminal window. No go. The system treats it like a shell script and passes it off to the Bourne shell. Naturally, this doesn't go over too well. If I run it as /usr/bin/pythonw ical.py ... it works just fine. Am I missing something? Thx, -- Skip Montanaro http://www.musi-cal.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Intel Python status?
s Apparently the readline library in MacOSX isn't really readline. s It's a renamed libedit. Not having encountered this deception s before, Python's build procedure doesn't know to test the capability s of readline. I suggest you just comment out the readline checks in s setup.py. Piet libedit (editline) is a different library with a similar function Piet as readline, but not compatible with it. It has a BSD license. It Piet is often used instead of readline for non-GPL software. True. I believe it was written by Rich Salz several years ago. Python used to work with it, but eventually started using some readline functionality which libedit doesn't provide. I don't recall what that is. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Intel Python status?
Kent What's the current status of any semi-official build of Python on Kent Intel? We actually need to build it without readline support, Kent haven't been able to figure out how (configure --without-readline Kent doesn't seem to do it). It builds if we download Gnu readline and Kent install it, but without that the build fails. Apparently the readline library in MacOSX isn't really readline. It's a renamed libedit. Not having encountered this deception before, Python's build procedure doesn't know to test the capability of readline. I suggest you just comment out the readline checks in setup.py. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Database (SQL prefered) access on MacPython
Benjamin I asked earlier and ODBC seems to be mostly out on the Benjamin MacPython front. What methods do you folks use for accessing Benjamin an database (SQL based database prefered) via macpython? I've used both PostgreSQL and MySQL from Python on Mac OSX with no problems. Another guy here at work has used Sybase on his Mac (built the Object Craft module against the FreeTDS stuff). Pick your poison. -- Skip Montanaro Katrina Benefit Concerts: http://www.musi-cal.com/katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] what's the plural of Emacs?
Bob I've heard that some people are happy with the Carbonized GNU Emacs Bob (I think it can be compiled from CVS, but there are various Bob binaries available), and Kevin Walzer is working on an AquaMacs Bob http://www.wordtech-software.com/aquamacs.html distribution, Bob which I've heard mixed things about. My understanding (completely second-hand, and from the XEmacs gang, no less) is that the guy that Carbonized (Carbonified?) GNU Emacs got disillusioned with the GNU folk. There are enough Mac/GNU Emacs people to keep that running though, so it should be a reasonable option. There is a Carbon patch for XEmacs (contributed by the same guy) that's available as a a branch on the XEmacs CVS repository. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] On posting long urls
Jack I've got the following javascript snippet in a bookmark in Jack Safari's bookmark bar: Jack javascript:void(location.href='http://tinyurl.com/create.php?url='+location.href) Cool. Seems to work with Firefox as well (1.0.3 on Solaris/Intell in my case). Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] Silly question perhaps, but how do I use py2app?
I downloaded and installed py2app this evening. I didn't find an app named py2app, but did find /usr/local/bin/py2applet. Is that py2app? If not, where is it? I tried running py2applet with no args or with --help. Both times it emitted lines like: running py2app creating /private/tmp/tmpN4iyW5/build creating /private/tmp/tmpN4iyW5/build/bdist.darwin-7.9.0-Power_Macintosh creating /private/tmp/tmpN4iyW5/build/bdist.darwin-7.9.0-Power_Macintosh/python2.4-standalone creating /private/tmp/tmpN4iyW5/build/bdist.darwin-7.9.0-Power_Macintosh/python2.4-standalone/app creating /private/tmp/tmpN4iyW5/build/bdist.darwin-7.9.0-Power_Macintosh/python2.4-standalone/app/collect creating /private/tmp/tmpN4iyW5/build/bdist.darwin-7.9.0-Power_Macintosh/python2.4-standalone/app/temp creating /private/tmp/tmpN4iyW5/dist creating build/bdist.darwin-7.9.0-Power_Macintosh/python2.4-standalone/app/lib-dynload creating build/bdist.darwin-7.9.0-Power_Macintosh/python2.4-standalone/app/Frameworks error: You must specify either app or plugin I'd appreciate some tips on how to use it. Thanks, -- Skip Montanaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recursion limit in OS X?
Kevin I ran across this thread: Kevin http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/commits/2005-February/003813.html Kevin which indicates to me that conflicts between recursion limits in Kevin Python and OS X are a known, documented issue. % grep ulimit ~/.bash_profile ulimit -s 8192 Works for me at least. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [OT] To upgrade Mac OSX or not?
Thanks. I'll have to check to see if that will work for my laptop. I have plenty of other stuff on my plate though, so this particular issue has sort of moved to the back burner... Bob If it runs 10.2, it'll run 10.3. You'll probably notice better Bob performance, too. Thanks. The check is in the mail... S ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] pythonmac Wiki has been spammed.
http://pythonmac.org/wiki/TkAqua Bob Unfortunately I do.. but I don't really have time to deal with the Bob spam. It has a defense in that existing pages can't be edited with Bob too many URLs, but creating new pages lets you use as many URLs as Bob you want. I think I'd rather replace the installation with Bob something else or a newer version of MoinMoin before I go hacking Bob at it any more. Bob, I assume you're using MoinMoin 1.2.something. There is a global Moin anti-spam facility you can enable without too much trouble. Take a look at how that's managed for the python.org wiki: http://www.python.org/moin/WikiSpam That also includes a link to the main wiki page for that facility. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] pythonmac Wiki has been spammed.
has How about merging it into the python.org wiki? Let someone else do has all the hard work for a change. That thought occurred to me right after I posted my earlier reply. There are several of us that keep a fairly close eye on the python.org wiki. If you want, I'm sure the option to move would be available. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] pythonmac Wiki has been spammed.
There are several of us that keep a fairly close eye on the python.org wiki. If you want, I'm sure the option to move would be available. Bob That works fine for me.. what are the next steps? It would be nice Bob to have our own namespace so that pythonmac.org/wiki/FAQ can Bob still url rewrite to the right place. Let me check on the python.org maintainers list and get back to you (off-list unless there are others that care about these minutiae). Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] fink vs DarwinPorts?
mwh I think there's a fair bit actually -- gnutar, bash, gnumake... Not to mention gcc... Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] fink vs DarwinPorts?
Not to mention gcc... Bob I said ... until you install Developer Tools. Mac OS X doesn't Bob ship stock with gcc. Sorry, I missed that. In any case, even if gcc isn't distributed by default, it's certainly used to build everything, isn't it? Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [OT] To upgrade Mac OSX or not?
Am I missing something? Charles Umm . . . Software Update? Software Update won't take me from 10.2 to 10.3. I'm as Software Updated as I can be on my laptop, but it's still 10.2. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
