Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-04-02 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 10:19:09AM +, Bernhard Beschow wrote: > > In theory you could pass `-M acpi=off` to not instantiate the PIIX4 > ACPI function, essentially turning the Frankenstein-PIIX4 SB into a > PIIX3. However, this also removes SMI registers used by SeaBIOS to > handle SMM setup

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-29 Thread Bernhard Beschow
Am 28. März 2024 14:09:52 UTC schrieb Mark Cave-Ayland : >On 27/03/2024 07:09, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 01:30:48PM +, Mark Cave-Ayland wrote: >>> Heh I've actually been using isapc over the past couple of weeks to fire up >>> some old programs in a Windows 3 VM :)

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-28 Thread Mark Cave-Ayland
On 27/03/2024 07:09, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 01:30:48PM +, Mark Cave-Ayland wrote: Heh I've actually been using isapc over the past couple of weeks to fire up some old programs in a Windows 3 VM :) I'm wondering why these use cases can't simply use the 'pc' machine

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-27 Thread Bernhard Beschow
Am 26. März 2024 13:29:58 UTC schrieb "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" : >Hi Igor, > >On 26/3/24 14:08, Thomas Huth wrote: >> >> s/iaspc/isapc/ in the subject >> >> On 26/03/2024 13.51, Igor Mammedov wrote: >>> ISAPC machine was introduced 25 years ago and it's a lot of time since >>> such machine

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-27 Thread Paolo Bonzini
Il mer 27 mar 2024, 14:09 Igor Mammedov ha scritto: > It's question of whether we are willing to do unthinkable, > i.e. to break QEMU <-> guest ABI for isapc case by removing > corresponding fwcfg entries. > It's not unthinkable since it's unversioned. we are loosing a chance to cleanup > QEMU

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-27 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 02:29:58PM +0100, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > Hi Igor, > > On 26/3/24 14:08, Thomas Huth wrote: > > > > s/iaspc/isapc/ in the subject > > > > On 26/03/2024 13.51, Igor Mammedov wrote: > > > ISAPC machine was introduced 25 years ago and it's a lot of time since > > >

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-27 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 01:27:58PM +, Peter Maydell wrote: > On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 at 13:23, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 02:09:17PM +0100, Igor Mammedov wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:49:43 + > > > Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > It's question of whether

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-27 Thread Peter Maydell
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 at 13:23, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 02:09:17PM +0100, Igor Mammedov wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:49:43 + > > Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > It's question of whether we are willing to do unthinkable, > > i.e. to break QEMU <-> guest ABI for

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-27 Thread Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
On 27/3/24 14:09, Igor Mammedov wrote: On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:49:43 + Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 05:16:32PM +0100, Igor Mammedov wrote: On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 14:29:58 +0100 Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: Hi Igor, On 26/3/24 14:08, Thomas Huth wrote:

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-27 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 02:09:17PM +0100, Igor Mammedov wrote: > On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:49:43 + > Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 05:16:32PM +0100, Igor Mammedov wrote: > > > On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 14:29:58 +0100 > > > Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > > > > > > > Hi

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-27 Thread Thomas Huth
On 27/03/2024 14.09, Igor Mammedov wrote: On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:49:43 + Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 05:16:32PM +0100, Igor Mammedov wrote: On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 14:29:58 +0100 Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: Hi Igor, On 26/3/24 14:08, Thomas Huth wrote:

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-27 Thread Igor Mammedov
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:49:43 + Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 05:16:32PM +0100, Igor Mammedov wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 14:29:58 +0100 > > Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > > > > > Hi Igor, > > > > > > On 26/3/24 14:08, Thomas Huth wrote: > > > > > > > >

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-27 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 05:16:32PM +0100, Igor Mammedov wrote: > On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 14:29:58 +0100 > Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > > > Hi Igor, > > > > On 26/3/24 14:08, Thomas Huth wrote: > > > > > > s/iaspc/isapc/ in the subject > > > > > > On 26/03/2024 13.51, Igor Mammedov wrote: > >

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-27 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 01:30:48PM +, Mark Cave-Ayland wrote: > Heh I've actually been using isapc over the past couple of weeks to fire up > some old programs in a Windows 3 VM :) I'm wondering why these use cases can't simply use the 'pc' machine type? The early pci chipsets of the 90-ies

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-26 Thread Igor Mammedov
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 13:30:48 + Mark Cave-Ayland wrote: > On 26/03/2024 12:51, Igor Mammedov wrote: > > > ISAPC machine was introduced 25 years ago and it's a lot of time since > > such machine was around with real ISA only PC hardware practically defunct. > > Also it's slowly bit-rots (for

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-26 Thread Igor Mammedov
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 14:29:58 +0100 Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > Hi Igor, > > On 26/3/24 14:08, Thomas Huth wrote: > > > > s/iaspc/isapc/ in the subject > > > > On 26/03/2024 13.51, Igor Mammedov wrote: > >> ISAPC machine was introduced 25 years ago and it's a lot of time since > >> such

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-26 Thread Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
On 26/3/24 14:37, Thomas Huth wrote: On 26/03/2024 14.29, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: Hi Igor, On 26/3/24 14:08, Thomas Huth wrote: s/iaspc/isapc/ in the subject On 26/03/2024 13.51, Igor Mammedov wrote: ISAPC machine was introduced 25 years ago and it's a lot of time since such machine

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-26 Thread Thomas Huth
On 26/03/2024 14.29, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: Hi Igor, On 26/3/24 14:08, Thomas Huth wrote: s/iaspc/isapc/ in the subject On 26/03/2024 13.51, Igor Mammedov wrote: ISAPC machine was introduced 25 years ago and it's a lot of time since such machine was around with real ISA only PC

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-26 Thread Mark Cave-Ayland
On 26/03/2024 12:51, Igor Mammedov wrote: ISAPC machine was introduced 25 years ago and it's a lot of time since such machine was around with real ISA only PC hardware practically defunct. Also it's slowly bit-rots (for example: I was able to boot RHEL6 on RHEL9 host in only TCG mode, while in

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-26 Thread Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
Hi Igor, On 26/3/24 14:08, Thomas Huth wrote: s/iaspc/isapc/ in the subject On 26/03/2024 13.51, Igor Mammedov wrote: ISAPC machine was introduced 25 years ago and it's a lot of time since such machine was around with real ISA only PC hardware practically defunct. Also it's slowly bit-rots

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-26 Thread Thomas Huth
s/iaspc/isapc/ in the subject On 26/03/2024 13.51, Igor Mammedov wrote: ISAPC machine was introduced 25 years ago and it's a lot of time since such machine was around with real ISA only PC hardware practically defunct. Also it's slowly bit-rots (for example: I was able to boot RHEL6 on RHEL9

Re: [PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-26 Thread Ani Sinha
> On 26 Mar 2024, at 18:21, Igor Mammedov wrote: > > ISAPC machine was introduced 25 years ago and it's a lot of time since > such machine was around with real ISA only PC hardware practically defunct. > Also it's slowly bit-rots (for example: I was able to boot RHEL6 on RHEL9 host > in only

[PATCH for-9.0] docs/about: Mark the iaspc machine type as deprecated

2024-03-26 Thread Igor Mammedov
ISAPC machine was introduced 25 years ago and it's a lot of time since such machine was around with real ISA only PC hardware practically defunct. Also it's slowly bit-rots (for example: I was able to boot RHEL6 on RHEL9 host in only TCG mode, while in KVM mode it hung in the middle of boot)