At 23:46 22/03/2013 +, you wrote:
If contributors - no matter how correct they may be - choose to
'publically'
correct (even humiliate) contributors here [as I am unashamedly attempting
to do now] the excellent spirit we all usually enjoy will be spoiled and
some would-be contributors
Or do you want a copy, about 1Mb
At 12:01 29/10/2012 +, you wrote:
I haven't been getting any posts since 23rd September; I feel sure that
everyone hasn't gone to sleep!!
Bryan H
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At 03:23 26/04/2012 +0100, you wrote:
Here is a review of Raspberry Pi
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/desktops/374290/raspberry-pi-model-b
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I saw no vids there
But this series looks brilliant, includes Linux setup guidance absent in
three distros that I tried.
At 18:58 16/03/2012 +, you wrote:
I am running both of these programs on a Macbook Pro
Now Mac people will know that there is no # key and you have to ALT 3 to
get it.
This works fine on Q-EmuLator the ALT 3 produces the # character as expected.
Not the same for OPC2 unfortunately , I
At 09:13 12/01/2012 -0600, you wrote:
The main issue I suspect you'll face has nothing to do with Linux:
TiVo, under pressure from content distributors, saves the video files
on the drive in encrypted form, and decrypts them on the fly when
playing them. Each DiVo unit has a unique key used to
I have assiduously avoided getting into Linux knowing I have not enough
gray cells left to cope with another OS.
But I am lumbered with a problem HDD, a SATA 320GB with damaged TIVO files
to be recovered. Ex a Sagecom setop box.
The suspision is they are written in Linux speak.
I can
At 14:04 04/01/2012 +, you wrote:
I have just realised the ambiguity of IPA - but 4% alcohol is too
little (8-)#
Yes, and the malted stuff and whatever sugars are left in the beer would
most likely be unwise of a print head. ;-)
So that's ir,
I was trying to find the relevance to the
At 23:23 07/12/2011 +, you wrote:
I'm wondering if it is the docx extension/format that is causing you
grief. Does your version of Office allow you to save files as old-style doc?
MSworks is a pain whith it's esxtra suffices, and a clumsy into the real
progs.
Back in days of DOS it was
Do you want t encourage mote QLers?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mote
Great slip of the fingers. I suppose the QL scene is getting smaller but
(8-)#
Tony
Something on which to speck ulate ?
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At 12:27 29/11/2011 +, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Marcos Cruz q...@programandala.net
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
As I recall it ha already been done.
I think it was Geof Wicks who produced a word gamewich could be
demonstrated in a cut down QPC2.
At 16:40 27/08/2011 -0500, you wrote:
Is a standard 7-pin DIN connector as used for MIDI suitable for the QL
video socket? I want to make a composite video cable...
Dave,
Yep, 6oclock common
3 9 oclock mono colour, not sure which round
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At 13:43 18/08/2011 +0100, you wrote:
This discussion is becoming an absolute farce.
Totally agree, always the case, usually a subject can't go beyond about
posts before it has changed.
!: I changed the subject for a good reason. No one has taken any notice.
2: I am told there are no
At 21:18 15/08/2011 +0100, you wrote:
Indeed ... it is about the purpose of the data image.
Sometime you want highest quality, sometimes lesser quality for a smaller
data image file size.
Ofcourse it is horses for courses.
There are several ways to control image size before you get to
Mind you, there was some VERY expensive bits of kit for the QL back in the
hey day - see
http://www.rwapadventures.com/ql_wiki/index.php?title=Quest%20Automation%20Ltd
--
I followed your link.
Why does the page have to look like it has faded in the sun, I know my eyes
are not what they
At 13:37 08/07/2011 +0200, you wrote:
David,
do you still have it or at least have a picture of it which you would share
with the ql-users?
Regards, Urs
You point to the serious deficiency of this list, no pix.
Last time I sent you some you failed to acknowledge reciept, and prior to
that
At 13:26 06/07/2011 +0100, you wrote:
I always thought it a pity that the QL wasn't released maybe only a year
later, with a floppy drive where mdvs were.
That then might have been a successful machine.
There was talk of doing just that - I think Keith Mitchell had a go. Did
anyone ever
At 18:52 22/06/2011 +0100, you wrote:
This takes A4 landscape which is useful for spreadsheets, printing a long
strip although I have difficulty getting Windows to understand this.
Many years ago I baffled the Purchase Tax boys when they came every quarter
to check my books.
I used a
At 18:52 22/06/2011 +0100, you wrote:
Does anyone know a source of good ribbons for my Fujitsu DL1150 dot matrix
printer. The last ones were old stock dried out. Is there anyone
re-manufacturing them, perhaps. This takes A4 landscape which is useful
for spreadsheets, printing a long strip
At 10:26 26/04/2011 +0100, you wrote:
Oh tell me about it,my surname Waugh, pronounced in Scotland as in Scots
Loch, not Wao, War, Woff or even weirder.
Some 60yrs ago I knew a Geordie of your name,spoken of as Billy Yuff.
When Evekyn wrote his autobiography a cartoon in Private Eye -
Little
At 17:52 25/04/2011 -0500, you wrote:
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:48 PM, paul paulh...@ameritech.net wrote:
I asked a retired university latin/greek teacher I know and he offer this
opinion
tie-key and sigh-key are the pronunciations he used
--
Paul Holmgren
Mine: 2 57 300-C's in Indy
At 15:28 28/03/2011 -0500, you wrote:
C'mon, 'fess up!
Dave
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At 13:05 25/03/2011 +, you wrote:
Does anyone know of a free utility to convert QL extensions etc into an
EPROM form?
Commercially, I know of Liberation's RPM program, and Jochen Merz's Thing
EPROM Manager.
Dilwyn Jones
There was/is Eprom Manager, Jochen's I think.
But you could
At 15:26 22/03/2011 +, you wrote:
Wouldn't it be nice if you could vote against MPs in a national election?
You can, it's called tactical voting
I am unlikely to see the agenda for the AGM, is there an item :-
When and in which brewery to hild the next piss0up
At 18:43 22/03/2011 +, you wrote:
This is more or less my opinion, but some people apparently argue that a
proxy is a pseudo-presence.
One of the arguments used by those in favour of counting proxies as part
of the quorum is that some companies use this in their members and
shareholders
At 14:34 21/03/2011 +, you wrote:
Deliwinn Jonse
P.S. BTW, why 2 copies of the email?
Stereo
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IThere was a Stewart or maybe a Stuart of Sawston nr Cambridge, worked at
Team, Royston (where Johnathen Oakley went).
He built a motherboard for the QL system, FLP included on board.
Whatever came of thet, II've seen no mention of it since ?
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At 08:33 01/03/2011 +, you wrote:
Could you then please put your survey results on your website with a link?
Much easier to read that as a poor text file at the end of an email.
I DOOO agree, no more informative than the non appearing results of the '95
survey, ie none atall.
At 13:25 01/03/2011 +, you wrote:
Happy St Davids day to everyone. I hope we are all wearing daffodils or
leeks and eating 'cawl' soup or Welsh Rarebit to celebrate.
So today's (not Toasay) the Dai, I occasionally wondered.
I suppose it's not the right season for lava bread ?
At 12:11 01/03/2011 +, you wrote:
The QL community is a good deal more conservative that we probably would
like to think,
Strange one this - conservative in some respects yet not in others. We do
have to bear in mind that as a community we are using a base computer
which is not far from 3
At 08:54 01/03/2011 +, you wrote:
Someone scanned in one issue recently - check the list archives - and it
came to around 50MB for a text searchable pdf. That was during a long
run of emails on why can't we get a pdf copy of QL Today? - which has
been covered here, in the magazine and I
At 16:16 23/02/2011 +, you wrote:
Where was that - Harrow (8-)#
Sedbergh, actually.
My brother-in-law went there, a rugged institution I believe. Sarten.
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At 17:57 23/02/2011 +, you wrote:
My brother-in-law went there, a rugged institution I believe. Sarten.
Sparten, sorry
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At 21:47 23/02/2011 +0100, you wrote:
All this trickery finally explains to me why my innocent try to just
put a 27256 and a 27128 as replacement in 10 years ago were bound to
fail...
Marcel,
Pity I cant show my implemtation, two 27512's with a buffer chip to invert
the enables.
At 09:48 22/02/2011 +, you wrote:
On the subject of backplanes..
I have one of these :
http://www.rwapadventures.com/images/q+4-interface.jpg
But alas don't have the little interface board that connects it to the QL,
does anyone have one that can take a couple of high quality piccies
At 10:25 22/02/2011 -0600, you wrote:
The card pictured is not a memory card, but instead looks like the buffer
card that came with those backplanes. I'm sure the backplane would work
without it, but you might have problems if you use more than the first two
slots.
Rich Mellor may be able to
At 19:33 21/02/2011 +, you wrote:
Only in the JM and previous rom versions. From JS onwards I believe it
works as it's supposed to.
Certainly Minerva and MG tested each 16k ROM slot when I made my 256k EPROM
expansion card
Incidently I mapped the floppy drive code in that slot freom 64k
At 15:07 19/02/2011 +, you wrote:
Emulators such as QL2K allow various QL ROMs to be preloaded by linking
them to the relevant file, does anyone know if is possible to link to a
set of extensions this way instead waiting for them to be LRESPR in a BOOT
program?
Put them into Eprom, I
Is Dave Park about ?
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At 10:15 16/02/2011 +, you wrote:
I liked David Tubbs oblique reference.
(only joking of course)
Tony
As,indeed, I liked Rich's ref.
But was mine jokular or snide ? I'm not sure.
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At 12:30 16/02/2011 +, you wrote:
If it is present,
Modified eprom board, just as easyly hold two full ROM TK2 versions,
Mainboard ROMs removed ofcourse.
I tried to attach a pic, even reduced well below msg size limit of 40k no dice.
I feel sure I saw one once, tho' might have been text.
At 14:55 15/02/2011 +, Bryan Horstmannb...@newlan.org:
The aove referenced post came with EIGHT layers of quotes.
After a long scroll down just one line addition of 10 words.
Text from the oldest quote is present in 8 other posts, two parties have
posted it 3 times each..
Think about
So that's why I think such wasteful distribution is equivalent to spamming.
Indeed. Top quoting does need some editing and snipping.
Tony
I suspect some email clients an be set n how he quote rmght be unware of
the crud going out, I only use an old Eudora. No frills.
At 23:51 15/02/2011 +, you wrote:
On 15/02/2011 23:47, John Gilpin wrote:
Hi Dave
Please can you disclose your Surname so we know it's Dave Smith or Jones
we're communicating with? Thanks.
Seeing as we all must have grown up through the 80s -surely the answer to
that one is.
At 15:40 14/02/2011 -0600, you wrote:
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:37 PM, David Tubbs davet...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
I could send you photos with which you might reverse engineer.
I also have a few dongle boards, some adapted for the 64k eprom, used in
the past to slot in diff' QDOS, inside
Would you be willing to share the details/schematic?
Dave
I dont mind, only prolem is memory and no documentation.
I could send you photos with which you might reverse engineer.
I also have a few dongle boards, some adapted for the 64k eprom, used in
the past to slot in diff' QDOS,
At 22:04 12/02/2011 -0600, you wrote:
I was never satisfied that I usually got 205-209 sectors out of a microdrive
cartridge. I wanted more. I often received cartridges with anything from 190
to 222 good sectors! DANG! I wanted the extra 7K or storage.
There were some longer loops around, I
At 00:57 13/02/2011 -0600, you wrote:
I have been looking at my US QL, and noting many differences from UK
keyboards.
Keyoard differences batween nations are un the KEYROW table, one of my
early machines was German, the '_' was much more conveniently placed so I
changed that and several
At 23:50 03/12/2010 +, you wrote:
wcopy win1_ to win2_ just copies the root files (of course).
I am suffering from the BBS working *perfectly* for about 10 years or
more, until a hard disk failure last week. All my 23 rotated backups (in
a partitioned HD) seem OK.
Tony
Just a
At 17:36 30/04/2010 +0100, you wrote:
Maybe ql-users system removed it.
There *is* an attachment called part1.2 but that is only the ql-users sig.
Tony
So far as I know you cannot send an attachment to this mailing list?
I believed that to be the case, having once made the attempt.
Was
At 11:12 02/04/2010 +0100, you wrote:
I too prefer top-posted messages as I rarely look at the quotes, having
usually seen them earlier in their original messages, but will endeavour
to follow the majority when using a particular group.
Most people with whom I exchange emails top-post. This
It all seems thoroughly Quantesque,
Still, if it will hardly matter if the results are published as widely as
the last one.
At 18:20 17/02/2010 +, you wrote:
On Wednesday 17 Feb 2010 17:27:09 Derek Stewart wrote:
I selected option 1, which I took to be; I Strongly Agree
I will be
Harking back a bit.
Having followed the thread I am a little puzzled.
If large files are a burden to access time why not use smaller QXL.WINs ?
Have several.
The QL taught me a primary lesson, seperation of prog's data, MDV1 2,
QDOS in ROM to me is analagous to the Windows C: drive, off
At 10:43 27/11/2009 +, George wrote:
It would be interesting to see the survey's results.
Yes indeedy, I never saw anything after making the suggestion of a survey
wal back then.
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At 08:15 14/11/2009 +, you wrote:
Is there a way of stepping through a BASIC program, line by line, for
debugging purposes? If so how?
Lawrence gave us SSTEP etc, does it work without Minerva ?
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Maybe a little mention of the QL Wiki, which is continuing to build nicely :-)
Rich Mellor
RWAP Services
URL:http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk
URL:http://www.rwapservices.co.uk
Perhaps too small a mention ?
Thought I would take a peek, no link here or on your web sites - had to
Google for it.
At 16:33 06/10/2009 +0100, you wrote:
David Tubbs wrote, On 6/10/09 16:22:
Maybe a little mention of the QL Wiki, which is continuing to build
nicely :-)
Rich Mellor
RWAP Services
URL:http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk
URL:http://www.rwapservices.co.uk
Perhaps too small a mention ?
Thought I
At 10:00 12/03/2009 +, you wrote:
The scart is a straight through wiring with small series resistance.
What is this NANDing and NORing?
As I recall from a couple of decades ago the combined sync needed
separation, I did it once for a little Motorola monitor.
At 16:15 11/03/2009 +, you wrote:
A customer wants to have at look at creating his own QL Scart cable (this
will be his first QL!).
Is it the same Pole ?
Anyway, it must be quicker simpler to use composite video thru' the SCART
adaptor plug.
Saves the NANDing or NORing too.
Perhaps some need counselling, beastiality with poor little cubs, not on !
At 09:51 09/03/2009 +, you wrote:
Go Boy Go(lt) wrote:
David said ..
An aquaintance of mine had a couple lying idle in a bedroom. he might be
persuaded to ship one.
This is doing my head in. Do I need a doctor?!
An aquaintance of mine had a couple lying idle in a bedroom. he might be
persuaded to ship one.
At 18:07 07/03/2009 +0100, you wrote:
Hi All
I'm the QL fan since 1987, since I saw it in a first popular IT book
published in our country... Anyway, can you please tell me if you have
available
A second thought.
Use the composite video signal which can go straight into many recent TV sets.
Or via a video to scart adaptor into a TV or VCR.
Shipping a Microvitec woud be a horrendous price.
At 18:07 07/03/2009 +0100, you wrote:
Hi All
I'm the QL fan since 1987, since I saw it in a
At 12:33 17/02/2009 +, you wrote:
Does anyone have any knowledge of a QL game called Nebula II from the
1980s sometimes?
Not the foggiest . . . . .
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From: David Tubbs davet...@tiscali.co.uk
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Sent: Wednesday, 28 January, 2009 20:06:15
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] slowdown
At 11:49 28/01/2009 -0800, you wrote:
Warning! I got a Virus alert when I downloaded the file!
Regards
Andy Barber
At 15:26 28/12/2008 +0100, you wrote:
I leave with you a picture of the seller:
http://personales.ya.com/badared/images/foros/ql/otros/elefante_blanco.jpg
Reminds me of one of my first QLs that I got from Milton Hall, stout model
with the Dtype connectors instead of the BT style.
But
.
I hope the server will not crash again.
Cheers,
Jimmy.
-Message d'origine-
De : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de David Tubbs
Envoyé : mercredi 18 juin 2008 22:15
À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Objet : [Ql-Users] QL2K
Anybody know what's up with the websites ?
Neither
Anybody know what's up with the websites ?
Neither of the links on Dilwyn's site work - one crashes IE.
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Hi Malcolm,
Have you tried Microsoft, could well be there still.
You might have to use a genuine instalation in order to be able to collect,
probably would not need to be the 98 in question. They are getting fussy
about pirates.
At 19:10 28/04/2008 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,
I need a copy of the
If you are on ow I could get it and send it, only half meg
At 21:16 01/05/2008 +0100, you wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David
Tubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Hi David,
I could do that ... the installation is genuine.
I just haven't had a web browser operative recently as M$ Explorer has
I have a large suspect drive and in surfing for low level formatting info I
chanced on the following, just had to share the thought.
=
Fixing a hard disk crash
It's really not too difficult to fix your own hard drive, if the problem is
a head
At 11:00 09/04/2008 +0200, you wrote:
However which could be in your opinion the
origin of the problem and which could be the definitive solution?
You ppear to have pin-pointed the the problem ! Pun intended.
So more than just reinserting go a bit harder at it.
Chip pins need a good abrade with
Compare eprom code, could lust be a dodgy bit/byte
At 20:51 28/03/2008 +, you wrote:
I have 3 x v5.1 MicroP disk interfaces which all work fine using the
original EPROM. However, two of them will work with the QFLP upgrade EPROM.
The last one steadfastly refuses to read a disk with the QFLP
Hi Rich,
You must surely have something else in which to check the drives ?
I never used ED's but never seen fuses on flp's or HDD's
You did pump juice into your GC when you connected, did you create or
aggravate a problem on the card ?
DT
At 20:35 17/03/2008 +, you wrote:
OK so I have
It is the disc layout that is Amiga, a drive is a drive is a drive. I'm
sure Amiga didn't mak a special.
At 15:49 18/03/2008 +0200, you wrote:
Can I use an Amifga floppy with a Gold card QL or trum card QL
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At 22:50 11/02/2008 +, you wrote:
Has anyone had any experience in getting QL2K or QLay2 emulators to
print from the parallel port of a PC?
My printer is connected to USB, so I can't test the printing.
I rather think you will need not only a parallel port but also a pretty old
printer, one
Oops, sorry - wrong button
A strange absense or piss-placement of newline characters, but where does
it originate ???
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At 13:30 05/02/2008 +0100, you wrote:
On 5 Feb 2008 at 8:38, Derek Stewart wrote:
Hi,
The high spam indicator is configured in the email client, so just define
the mailing as non-spam.
No actually it's in my mailbox with the Internet address provider.
To alter Windows Primary
At 21:51 05/02/2008 +, you wrote:
I was not seeking guidence or solutions to problems long past.
Don't ask questions then!
What on earth gave rise to a SPAM-HIGH: warning ?
Answer ? :- Who can tell, it's a PC thing! :-)
That was the only question !
Bugger, SORRY, thought I had got it off list
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Norman,
As a single paragraph yours is unreadable.
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Looking at my inbox it is evident there are some Char(13)'s missing in
Norman's quoted text. Before the there are 3 CHR(10)s
At 21:20 04/02/2008 +, you wrote:
And dare I say it for fear of being expelled from the QL community, the
email was perfect in Outlook Express!
Best Wishes,
Geoff
At 17:19 27/01/2008 +, you wrote:
Hi,
What are users experiences with portable computers ?
Hi Malcolm
That is a very broad question, can you narrow it ?
Frankly I don't think I would want one of today's offerings - if you are
thinking of getting on I can give you a number of caveats.
At 18:04 27/01/2008 +0100, you wrote:
PS: Did my mail re VirtualBox arrive? I sent that about 24hrs ago,
before reverting to my old email address.
It did, so it is unkind to call it a list problem, look to your own ISP or
email server.
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At 12:30 19/01/2008 +0200, you wrote:
The scart cable also works Is the composite pal pin different at Samsyng QL?
I cant put my hands on a circuit diagram but I seem to remember there is a
transistor used to cobine the colour lines, the scart would use the RGB pins.
At 09:23 17/01/2008 +0100, you wrote:
I'm sure Per said that he had Bruce on the case and to 'watch this space'.
He then mentioned this gilfaethwy person -
Mea culpa, I missed that at the bottom thinking the rest to be quoted text.
But where have they been for so long, some inter-galactic node
Has the subject moved on fro Per's missing mails ?
I have just had four postings returned as undeliverable,
though they have appeared in the List from Oct' last to the 8th of Jan.
Each having been on a long journey
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from montecristo.dreamhost.com
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At 23:11 07/01/2008 +, you wrote:
Go to control panel (classic view) - administrative tools -
services
Then find Indexing Service.
Right click on it and STOP the service
Right click and select properties - change startup to Disabled.
Ah, thanks. Done.
When clicking on 'Services' I
At 11:12 02/12/2007 +, you wrote:
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am not sure Tony that you are thinking of an old-fashioned AT power
supply. The latter have 2 six pin plugs - i.e. no pins 1415. They also
do not use a green wire. The only pin neither ground nor a given voltage
is the P(ower)
At 18:06 30/11/2007 +, you wrote:
When I assembled my Q60, I just used a PC case that came to hand. The
motherboard power on this is delivered by two connectors labelled P8
P9. To get the power supply to switch on in the absence of a M'board
using these plugs I had to link one of their lines
At 17:13 18/10/2007 +0100, you wrote:
of course, i clearly remember my first day in infants school when i was 4
or 5.
A sort of uncertain clarity - like I used to be indecisive . . . now I am
not so sure
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At 21:01 10/10/2007 +0100, you wrote:
Same for me: there definitely must be some differences in the brains
on the Island vs continent! (no offense meant: without the big island
we would not have the QL!)
There is no offence. This really concerns the finer nuances of a word
I too immediately
My last post took less than 2 mins to come back to me, yesterday they were
taking an hour - wonder where and why.
Makes for a turgid interchannge
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At 15:26 04/10/2007 +0100, you wrote:
I assume being a tight wad your one reason was money?
(... or have you found another reason now (8-)# )
Tony
The sheer effort of driving - less enjoyable than in the past.
More traffic and ano domini
Kind offer, but up top of Cambs.
Do you go up M! ?
I
We are going via the M$) (in the same vein.
Where are you coming from?
Nth Cambs - Nr Peterbro'
Have a friend nr Northampton, would have held my wagon.
Never mind - enjoy - thanks for the thought
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Remember the tale, Paddy, when asked for directions said Oh no ! If I was
going there I would not start from here.
At 17:26 16/09/2007 +0100, you wrote:
I need some help to create a little DOS batch file to select QL
emulators.
My flash memory drive has QPC, QemuLator and QLay on it, so I need
At 17:46 11/09/2007 +0200, you wrote:
David Tubbs a écrit :
I have never known what this was for and always wondered why it got
into my
Boot prog
Well, now you know what it's for... :-)
Hardly
Appologies for SPAMMING !
So I will say Goodbye All
DT
As to how it got into your boot
Pleased I am to have recently got the modern version (courtesy of Rich Mellor
who helped me pass the UNZIP) I am finding a couple of problems - features
or bugs.
I am using Qemulator, and my devices are just MSDOS/Windows directories.
While editing an existing file, then wishing to save to the
At 21:47 28/07/2007 +0100, you wrote:
Copy Date for the next Quanta Magazine is August 5th. - just about a week
away and I hope to have more details regarding the West Midlands Autumn
Workshop by then.
Atlast something nearer the center of gravity of the country, how, I
wonder, does that
At 18:17 25/07/2007 +0100, you wrote:
Was a quote from:-
http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/228.html
for the function would you not just use EDITOR or FILED, or a
trivial basic
routine ?
Ah, I see.
Yes of course, an editor or Filed or something similar could be used.
Some
At 20:22 24/07/2007 +0100, you wrote:
. . . . . the night we went to Birmingham by way of Beachy Head . . .
. . .
GKC
Or is there a longer way round ?
Eh??
Oh well, that's that one killed stone cold dead then :-(
--
Dilwyn Jones
Was a quote from:-
. . . . . the night we went to Birmingham by way of Beachy Head . . . . . .
GKC
Or is there a longer way round ?
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