[Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes again!

2011-03-09 Thread Dave Park
Hi all, I have now received the backplane components from Tony, and ordered the extra components I need to complete the PCBs. They will be available in approximately 3-4 weeks. I anticipate they will cost about £45 including SH. I'll post full details when they're ready. I'm also waiting for

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-23 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message 4d643c95.2040...@firshman.co.uk, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk writes Malcolm Cadman wrote, on 21/Feb/11 21:34 | Feb21: Hi Dave, Is it an Mplane that was used in the AT cased version of a QL? Any backplane is possible. At the London QL Group we are repairing an AT QL

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-22 Thread Phill Harvey-Smith
On the subject of backplanes.. I have one of these : http://www.rwapadventures.com/images/q+4-interface.jpg But alas don't have the little interface board that connects it to the QL, does anyone have one that can take a couple of high quality piccies of it, or beter still have a

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-22 Thread Petri Pellinen
Hi Tobias, thanks for your thoughts on this. And your guess on Pennell's solution is correct :) Very interesting piece of information about driver shadowing. Obvious, once you think about it but I hadn't thought about it :) Cheers, Petri On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Tobias Fröschle

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-22 Thread David Tubbs
At 09:48 22/02/2011 +, you wrote: On the subject of backplanes.. I have one of these : http://www.rwapadventures.com/images/q+4-interface.jpg But alas don't have the little interface board that connects it to the QL, does anyone have one that can take a couple of high quality piccies

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-22 Thread Phill Harvey-Smith
David Tubbs wrote: At 09:48 22/02/2011 +, you wrote: On the subject of backplanes.. I have one of these : http://www.rwapadventures.com/images/q+4-interface.jpg But alas don't have the little interface board that connects it to the QL, does anyone have one that can take a couple of

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-22 Thread Lee Privett
-d.com Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes... At 09:48 22/02/2011 +, you wrote: On the subject of backplanes.. I have one of these : http://www.rwapadventures.com/images/q+4-interface.jpg But alas don't have

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-22 Thread Dave Park
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Phill Harvey-Smith a...@aurigae.demon.co.uk wrote: David Tubbs wrote: At 09:48 22/02/2011 +, you wrote: On the subject of backplanes.. I have one of these : http://www.rwapadventures.com/images/q+4-interface.jpg But alas don't have the little

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-22 Thread Tony Firshman
Phill Harvey-Smith wrote, on 22/Feb/11 16:18 | Feb22: David Tubbs wrote: At 09:48 22/02/2011 +, you wrote: On the subject of backplanes.. I have one of these : http://www.rwapadventures.com/images/q+4-interface.jpg But alas don't have the little interface board that connects it to

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-22 Thread Tony Firshman
Lee Privett wrote, on 22/Feb/11 16:22 | Feb22: There is also documentation on backplane power adapter (I think) on Dilwyns web here http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/docs/manuals/qplane.zip from here http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/docs/manuals/index.html#qlmanual This is not a Qplane but a CST Q+4. Tony --

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-22 Thread Malcolm Lear
On 22/02/2011 16:26, Tony Firshman wrote: Phill Harvey-Smith wrote, on 22/Feb/11 16:18 | Feb22: David Tubbs wrote: At 09:48 22/02/2011 +, you wrote: On the subject of backplanes.. I have one of these : http://www.rwapadventures.com/images/q+4-interface.jpg But alas don't have the

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-22 Thread David Tubbs
At 10:25 22/02/2011 -0600, you wrote: The card pictured is not a memory card, but instead looks like the buffer card that came with those backplanes. I'm sure the backplane would work without it, but you might have problems if you use more than the first two slots. Rich Mellor may be able to

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-22 Thread Dave Park
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Malcolm Lear malc...@essex.ac.uk wrote: On 22/02/2011 16:26, Tony Firshman wrote: Phill Harvey-Smith wrote, on 22/Feb/11 16:18 | Feb22: David Tubbs wrote: At 09:48 22/02/2011 +, you wrote: On the subject of backplanes.. I have one of these :

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-22 Thread Ralf Reköndt
Tony Firshman wrote: This Quad device is about the worst electrically if I remember correctly. It was also pretty bad mechanically. I don't think they realised how noisy the QL bus was when extended. Seemed, I once had a QL with a very stable bus (english bare PCB one with JS before). I put

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-22 Thread Tony Firshman
Ralf Reköndt wrote, on 22/Feb/11 17:47 | Feb22: Tony Firshman wrote: This Quad device is about the worst electrically if I remember correctly. It was also pretty bad mechanically. I don't think they realised how noisy the QL bus was when extended. Seemed, I once had a QL with a very stable

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-22 Thread Malcolm Lear
On 22/02/2011 17:53, Tony Firshman wrote: Malcolm Lear wrote, on 22/Feb/11 16:45 | Feb22: On 22/02/2011 16:26, Tony Firshman wrote: Phill Harvey-Smith wrote, on 22/Feb/11 16:18 | Feb22: David Tubbs wrote: At 09:48 22/02/2011 +, you wrote: On the subject of backplanes.. I have

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-22 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message AANLkTikeM=gpfa9smf8zwjh3_kcfhaxgstw6o6jjo...@mail.gmail.com, Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com writes Hi all, After a bit of back and forth, it looks like I will be assembling the remaining stock of Tony Firshman's Mplane. If it happens, they will be available in about 2-3 months.

[Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Dave Park
Hi all, After a bit of back and forth, it looks like I will be assembling the remaining stock of Tony Firshman's Mplane. If it happens, they will be available in about 2-3 months. For those that don't remember, the MPlane offers 3 expansion ports and has a 4-pin power connector to take power from

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Dave Park
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Lee Privett lee.priv...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, it my help those like me with less knowledge of such things to know exactly what QL'ers could make use of a back plane for, plugging in additional peripherals such as floppy drive adapter are already realised

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Dave Park
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Adrian Ives adr...@acanthis.co.uk wrote: Yes, the ATX connector (or better) is a must. You probably want to look into an adapter lead that also bridges the Power Good signal, otherwise you won't get the PSU to switch on. This is what I had to do with my

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Daniele Terdina
A backplane allows you to place each card in its own slot. It multiplies the QL's expansion port into three, four or more ports. This means cards don't Didn't Sinclair ROMs have a bug preventing usage of all expansion slots except for the first one? Daniele

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Dave Park
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 1:40 PM, JJ Ruiz jjruiz_r...@yahoo.es wrote: I would get one to connect an Aurora and a Gold Card, powering them through the backplane. The 9V line, will carry 9V? or 5V? or it will be selectable? or it will be selectable by each expansion connector? ATX v2 PSUs

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Tony Firshman
Dave Park wrote, on 21/Feb/11 19:04 | Feb21: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Adrian Ivesadr...@acanthis.co.uk wrote: Yes, the ATX connector (or better) is a must. You probably want to look into an adapter lead that also bridges the Power Good signal, otherwise you won't get the PSU to

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Tony Firshman
Dave Park wrote, on 21/Feb/11 19:45 | Feb21: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 1:40 PM, JJ Ruizjjruiz_r...@yahoo.es wrote: I would get one to connect an Aurora and a Gold Card, powering them through the backplane. The 9V line, will carry 9V? or 5V? or it will be selectable? or it will be selectable by

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Tony Firshman
Dave Park wrote, on 21/Feb/11 19:41 | Feb21: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Daniele Terdinadanieleterd...@hotmail.com wrote: A backplane allows you to place each card in its own slot. It multiplies the QL's expansion port into three, four or more ports. This means cards don't Didn't

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Petri Pellinen
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Daniele Terdina danieleterd...@hotmail.com wrote: Didn't Sinclair ROMs have a bug preventing usage of all expansion slots except for the first one? Being a re-newbie I also have (I hope!) a few related questions : This might be a FAQ so apologies in advance if

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Tobias Fröschle
Am 21.02.2011 21:47, schrieb Petri Pellinen: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Daniele Terdina danieleterd...@hotmail.com wrote: Didn't Sinclair ROMs have a bug preventing usage of all expansion slots except for the first one? Being a re-newbie I also have (I hope!) a few related questions :

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread David Tubbs
At 19:33 21/02/2011 +, you wrote: Only in the JM and previous rom versions. From JS onwards I believe it works as it's supposed to. Certainly Minerva and MG tested each 16k ROM slot when I made my 256k EPROM expansion card Incidently I mapped the floppy drive code in that slot freom 64k

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Dave Park
On Feb 21, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk wrote: Dave Park wrote, on 21/Feb/11 19:04 | Feb21: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Adrian Ivesadr...@acanthis.co.uk wrote: Yes, the ATX connector (or better) is a must. You probably want to look into an adapter lead that

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Phill Harvey-Smith
On 22/02/2011 00:12, Dave Park wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Tony Firshmant...@firshman.co.uk wrote: And, have a good insulating backing plate, because there's nothing worse than 40 amps of 12V shorting onto something metal in the case, or worse, to something on a PCB... Oh yes there

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Dave Park
On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Phill Harvey-Smith a...@aurigae.demon.co.uk wrote: On 22/02/2011 00:12, Dave Park wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Tony Firshmant...@firshman.co.uk wrote: And, have a good insulating backing plate, because there's nothing worse than 40 amps of 12V shorting

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Lee Privett
All this talk is making hunger for an SGC not having seen or used before, are there really none out there or not ever being made? Lee - Back to the QL- On 22/02/2011 00:12, Dave Park wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Tony Firshmant...@firshman.co.uk wrote: And, have a good

[Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-16 Thread Plastic
Hi all, I have been asked off-list if I could make some backplanes. I have a stack of the connectors already, so, if there was demand, I could do this quite easily. The questions are: Is there any demand for this? Is there any deficiency or design issue with previous ones that needs correcting?

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-16 Thread Petri Pellinen
I would be interested in buying one. The DIN connectors seem to be rather expensive so I'm a bit concerned about the price. A kit instead of a finished assembly would also be nice. Four slots would probably be optimal for my use. Can't answer your other questions since I have never used one before

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-16 Thread Rich Mellor
On 16/02/2011 15:46, Petri Pellinen wrote: I would be interested in buying one. The DIN connectors seem to be rather expensive so I'm a bit concerned about the price. A kit instead of a finished assembly would also be nice. Four slots would probably be optimal for my use. Can't answer your other

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-16 Thread Plastic
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.ukwrote: I have several backplanes available if anyone needs one: a) A Jurgen Falkenberg 2 slot unbuffered / unpowered backplane b) An unknown unbuffered / unpowered backplane which has a nice blue PCB - oddly it has 2

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-16 Thread Rich Mellor
On 16/02/2011 17:23, Plastic wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Rich Mellorr...@rwapservices.co.ukwrote: I have several backplanes available if anyone needs one: a) A Jurgen Falkenberg 2 slot unbuffered / unpowered backplane b) An unknown unbuffered / unpowered backplane which has a