Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD What is it?

2013-12-10 Thread Miguel Angel Rodríguez Jódar


It looks like you used a vintage PLD, which was a good idea.


Not so vintage, actually. It's a XC9572XL CPLD from Xilinx, still in production, 
afaik. It's only that for this prototype, I've used the PLCC44 version, with 
PLCC44 socket. Production boards may have the VQ64, or TQ100 version (cheaper).


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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD What is it?

2013-12-10 Thread Michael Bulford
On Thursday, 5 December 2013, Colin Mckay Wrote:
 
 Please describe the hardware  software which forms it, sufficiently for us
 to know what you are talking about.

  On Wednesday, 04 December 2013, Peter pg...@q40.de Wrote:  the 
  restriction that a QL memory expansion is madatory for QL-SD has been 
  removed.

  If a QL-SD filesystem of 3 MB size (and Groupsize 8) is attached, there 
  still remains 62.5 KB free memory on an unexpanded QL. Not very much, but 
  enough to load TK2 and still be able do useful things.

  This way, even an unexpanded QL has more mass storage than the ED floppy 
  interface of a (Super) Gold Card offers, and that at harddisk speed 
  without moving mechanical parts.

  (Larger filesystems, like the 64 MB default, can not be used on an 
  unexpanded QL at all. This won't change.)
 
We are talking state of the art technology.   Surely, a size of 3 Gigabytes 
would seem to be more appropriate.   Why has there to be any restrictions?   If 
this is down to software, then can anything be done about it?
 
Michael
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD What is it?

2013-12-10 Thread Tobias Fröschle
Michael,

Nothing to do with software, not much to do with hardware as well, just the 
basic needs of a computer

/Any/ QL (or any other computer) needs memory to store the buffers for the mass 
storage, in the QL's case there is the added problem that the OS is designed in 
a way (like a lot of other OSs) that the disk map (the directory, basically) 
needs to be held in main memory as well. 

This map needs memory that is deducted from the memory you're working with. You 
could maybe have 6MB of SD space in an unexpanded QL, but in that case you 
wouldn't be having any memory left for actually doing something sensible.

The 3M Peter mentioned is about the best compromise between memory used for the 
map and memory used for work.

Regards,
Tobias

Am 10.12.2013 um 17:48 schrieb Michael Bulford:

 On Thursday, 5 December 2013, Colin Mckay Wrote:
 
 Please describe the hardware  software which forms it, sufficiently for us
 to know what you are talking about.
 
 On Wednesday, 04 December 2013, Peter pg...@q40.de Wrote:  the 
 restriction that a QL memory expansion is madatory for QL-SD has been 
 removed.
 
 If a QL-SD filesystem of 3 MB size (and Groupsize 8) is attached, there 
 still remains 62.5 KB free memory on an unexpanded QL. Not very much, but 
 enough to load TK2 and still be able do useful things.
 
 This way, even an unexpanded QL has more mass storage than the ED floppy 
 interface of a (Super) Gold Card offers, and that at harddisk speed 
 without moving mechanical parts.
 
 (Larger filesystems, like the 64 MB default, can not be used on an 
 unexpanded QL at all. This won't change.)
 
 We are talking state of the art technology.   Surely, a size of 3 Gigabytes 
 would seem to be more appropriate.   Why has there to be any restrictions?   
 If this is down to software, then can anything be done about it?
 
 Michael
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