[Ql-Users] 32 bit
Hi, Does anyone know if or how a 32 bit number can be printed without the scientific exponent jumping in? Cheers Malcolm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] 32 bit
I asked a similar question on the QL Forum here http://www.qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=3t=285 Dilwyn responded first with There was a Maths package by Helumt Aigner but not if it can do what you want - have a look at http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/tk/index.html. Also, have a look in Quanta Library - disk MA01 - at CalQLator which claims to do up to 120 decimal places. Author was E G Whitbread in 1985. I think program is in SuperBASIC so you might be able to look at the code to see if it does what you want. I seem to remember a QL program to calculate PI to some alarming number of decimal places such as 1900, but can't remember where I saw it - I just did a quick search on my website and Quanta library but can't seem to find it. Possibly, it might have been in Phil Jordan and Steve Johnson's PD libraries (disk 17 perhaps?) On 13 Feb 2012, at 10:44, Malcolm Lear wrote: Hi, Does anyone know if or how a 32 bit number can be printed without the scientific exponent jumping in? Cheers Malcolm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] 32 bit
Thanks Lee, unfortunately the maths package doesn't seem to solve the problem and I don't have access to the the Quanta library. I've just looked through my QL Today discs, but can't find anything. Maybe one of the tool kits. On 13/02/2012 10:54, Lee Privett wrote: I asked a similar question on the QL Forum here http://www.qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=3t=285 Dilwyn responded first with There was a Maths package by Helumt Aigner but not if it can do what you want - have a look at http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/tk/index.html. Also, have a look in Quanta Library - disk MA01 - at CalQLator which claims to do up to 120 decimal places. Author was E G Whitbread in 1985. I think program is in SuperBASIC so you might be able to look at the code to see if it does what you want. I seem to remember a QL program to calculate PI to some alarming number of decimal places such as 1900, but can't remember where I saw it - I just did a quick search on my website and Quanta library but can't seem to find it. Possibly, it might have been in Phil Jordan and Steve Johnson's PD libraries (disk 17 perhaps?) On 13 Feb 2012, at 10:44, Malcolm Lear wrote: Hi, Does anyone know if or how a 32 bit number can be printed without the scientific exponent jumping in? Cheers Malcolm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Qimi schematics + board
Qimi schematics seem to be available online at http://dilwynjones.topcities.com/qldocs/qimi.html . Is the board layout also available somewhere? Best regards, Petri That site is obsolete. The same info is on http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/docs/manuals/index.html (scroll down to QIMI section where you'll find Dave Westbury's programming info for it and replacement manuals). I'll add a non-QL graphic as I get time. Don't know of a board layout design but I'll happily add that if anyone has the info. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] 32 bit
Am 13.02.2012 12:29, schrieb Malcolm Lear: Thanks Lee, unfortunately the maths package doesn't seem to solve the problem and I don't have access to the the Quanta library. I've just looked through my QL Today discs, but can't find anything. Maybe one of the tool kits. On 13/02/2012 10:54, Lee Privett wrote: I asked a similar question on the QL Forum here http://www.qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=3t=285 Dilwyn responded first with There was a Maths package by Helumt Aigner but not if it can do what you want - have a look at http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/tk/index.html. Also, have a look in Quanta Library - disk MA01 - at CalQLator which claims to do up to 120 decimal places. Author was E G Whitbread in 1985. I think program is in SuperBASIC so you might be able to look at the code to see if it does what you want. I seem to remember a QL program to calculate PI to some alarming number of decimal places such as 1900, but can't remember where I saw it - I just did a quick search on my website and Quanta library but can't seem to find it. Possibly, it might have been in Phil Jordan and Steve Johnson's PD libraries (disk 17 perhaps?) On 13 Feb 2012, at 10:44, Malcolm Lear wrote: Hi, Does anyone know if or how a 32 bit number can be printed without the scientific exponent jumping in? Cheers Malcolm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Malcolm, you might want to have a look at PRINT_USING which is part of Toolkit II. You can use this to force printing in specific formats. It has, however, a bit of odd behavior when the number doesn't fit the format (it then just prints **.** You can do the same thing using a PROCEDURE like the following (quick and dirty) piece of code: 100 DEFine FuNction noexp$(value, digits) 110 LOCal digit, i, act$ 115 DIM result$(20) 120 digit = 10^digits 130 i = 20 140 result$ = FILL$( , 20) 160 REPeat digiloop 170 act$ = INT((value * digit / 10 - INT (value * digit / 10)) * 10) 190 result$(i) = act$(1) 200 digit = digit / 10 220 IF digit == 1 THEN 230 i = i - 1 240 result$(i) = . 245 i = i - 1 250 ELSE 260 i = i - 1 265 END IF 270 IF i = 0 THEN 280 EXIT digiloop 290 END IF 300 END REPeat digiloop 310 REPeat zeroloop 320 IF result$(1) = 0 AND result$(2) . THEN 330 result$ = result$(2 TO) 335 ELSE 337 EXIT zeroloop 338 END IF 340 END REPeat 350 RETurn result$ 360 END DEFine You give it the value and the amount of decimal places after the comma. (Just realized that it doesn't work for negative values). Cheers, Tobias ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] 32 bit
Wow, thanks Tobias, I'll check these options out and report back. Malcolm On 13/02/2012 13:59, Tobias Fröschle wrote: Am 13.02.2012 12:29, schrieb Malcolm Lear: Thanks Lee, unfortunately the maths package doesn't seem to solve the problem and I don't have access to the the Quanta library. I've just looked through my QL Today discs, but can't find anything. Maybe one of the tool kits. On 13/02/2012 10:54, Lee Privett wrote: I asked a similar question on the QL Forum here http://www.qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=3t=285 Dilwyn responded first with There was a Maths package by Helumt Aigner but not if it can do what you want - have a look at http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/tk/index.html. Also, have a look in Quanta Library - disk MA01 - at CalQLator which claims to do up to 120 decimal places. Author was E G Whitbread in 1985. I think program is in SuperBASIC so you might be able to look at the code to see if it does what you want. I seem to remember a QL program to calculate PI to some alarming number of decimal places such as 1900, but can't remember where I saw it - I just did a quick search on my website and Quanta library but can't seem to find it. Possibly, it might have been in Phil Jordan and Steve Johnson's PD libraries (disk 17 perhaps?) On 13 Feb 2012, at 10:44, Malcolm Lear wrote: Hi, Does anyone know if or how a 32 bit number can be printed without the scientific exponent jumping in? Cheers Malcolm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Malcolm, you might want to have a look at PRINT_USING which is part of Toolkit II. You can use this to force printing in specific formats. It has, however, a bit of odd behavior when the number doesn't fit the format (it then just prints **.** You can do the same thing using a PROCEDURE like the following (quick and dirty) piece of code: 100 DEFine FuNction noexp$(value, digits) 110 LOCal digit, i, act$ 115 DIM result$(20) 120 digit = 10^digits 130 i = 20 140 result$ = FILL$( , 20) 160 REPeat digiloop 170 act$ = INT((value * digit / 10 - INT (value * digit / 10)) * 10) 190 result$(i) = act$(1) 200 digit = digit / 10 220 IF digit == 1 THEN 230 i = i - 1 240 result$(i) = . 245 i = i - 1 250 ELSE 260 i = i - 1 265 END IF 270 IF i = 0 THEN 280 EXIT digiloop 290 END IF 300 END REPeat digiloop 310 REPeat zeroloop 320 IF result$(1) = 0 AND result$(2) . THEN 330 result$ = result$(2 TO) 335 ELSE 337 EXIT zeroloop 338 END IF 340 END REPeat 350 RETurn result$ 360 END DEFine You give it the value and the amount of decimal places after the comma. (Just realized that it doesn't work for negative values). Cheers, Tobias ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm . ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] 32 bit
On 13 Feb 2012, at 10:44, Malcolm Lear wrote: Does anyone know if or how a 32 bit number can be printed without the scientific exponent jumping in? Use FDEC$. FDEC$($7FFF,12,0) gives 2147483647 George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] 32 bit
That's just what I need!, thanks George and all who helped. Malcolm On 13/02/2012 15:32, George Gwilt wrote: On 13 Feb 2012, at 10:44, Malcolm Lear wrote: Does anyone know if or how a 32 bit number can be printed without the scientific exponent jumping in? Use FDEC$. FDEC$($7FFF,12,0) gives 2147483647 George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks
I am developing a program in SuperBASIC, and compiling with Turbo. The size of the compiled code is around 133k at the moment but I still have quite a lot to add. The problem is I am getting reports of Code too large to compile, etc. What I have decided to do is to remove some parts of my code, and down-grade the program slightly. I can also move some parts to another separate task, but overall this is some problem. What I was wondering is if perhaps new versions of the parser and codegen tasks could be produced to increase the limits to allow larger sizes to be compiled. It is so easy nowadays to write large programs without having to worry about program size or the amount of dataspace used. Michael Bulford ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks
I'm not sure if this has changed in recent versions of Turbo, but there used to be a setting which allowed you to produce smaller programs by limiting the compiled size to 64K (word length addressing etc I suppose). There is a setting on the control panel (the green screen started by the CHARGE command) which lets you select 64K or 64K in one of the boxes. There's also a equivalent compiler directive which I can't remember from memory (one of the TURBO_nnn commands, possibly TURBO_MODEL - see Turbo Toolkit manual) which lets you tell the compiler which settings to use to control over the reduced file sizes - remember Turbo was originally conceived when we didn't all have as much memory on our systems as today! Dilwyn Jones -Original Message- From: Michael Bulford Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:28 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks I am developing a program in SuperBASIC, and compiling with Turbo. The size of the compiled code is around 133k at the moment but I still have quite a lot to add. The problem is I am getting reports of Code too large to compile, etc. What I have decided to do is to remove some parts of my code, and down-grade the program slightly. I can also move some parts to another separate task, but overall this is some problem. What I was wondering is if perhaps new versions of the parser and codegen tasks could be produced to increase the limits to allow larger sizes to be compiled. It is so easy nowadays to write large programs without having to worry about program size or the amount of dataspace used. Michael Bulford ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4807 - Release Date: 02/13/12 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks
Am 13.02.2012 22:45, schrieb Dilwyn Jones: I'm not sure if this has changed in recent versions of Turbo, but there used to be a setting which allowed you to produce smaller programs by limiting the compiled size to 64K (word length addressing etc I suppose). There is a setting on the control panel (the green screen started by the CHARGE command) which lets you select 64K or 64K in one of the boxes. There's also a equivalent compiler directive which I can't remember from memory (one of the TURBO_nnn commands, possibly TURBO_MODEL - see Turbo Toolkit manual) which lets you tell the compiler which settings to use to control over the reduced file sizes - remember Turbo was originally conceived when we didn't all have as much memory on our systems as today! Dilwyn Jones -Original Message- From: Michael Bulford Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:28 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks I am developing a program in SuperBASIC, and compiling with Turbo. The size of the compiled code is around 133k at the moment but I still have quite a lot to add. The problem is I am getting reports of Code too large to compile, etc. What I have decided to do is to remove some parts of my code, and down-grade the program slightly. I can also move some parts to another separate task, but overall this is some problem. What I was wondering is if perhaps new versions of the parser and codegen tasks could be produced to increase the limits to allow larger sizes to be compiled. It is so easy nowadays to write large programs without having to worry about program size or the amount of dataspace used. Michael Bulford ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4807 - Release Date: 02/13/12 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Michael, If you're mentioning 133k compiled, that's definitely large. The largest SB program I know is Editor, with about 100k code size. I guess you should also run out of line numbers shortly. Have a look at LINK_LOAD et al - This allows you to off-load parts of your code into external libraries. Cheers, Tobias ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Is there any interest?
On 13/02/2012 02:23, paul wrote: Secreted away in my trove of Sinclair materials is a box of goodies left over from the days of SyncWare News. SyncWare News was a technical and software featuring USA publication of about 6 years, 1983-1989, totaling somewhere around 42 issues before it retired. Software, articles, reviews, contest submissions, and various bits and pieces of what was once interesting stuff, all ZX81, TS1000, TS2068, and QL related. Would anyone be interested enough for it to be worthwhile cattylogging some of it and listing it for sale here? I believe that most of the box's contents are the original submissions for publication, so what would end up available would be the original media, Docs, proposed article writeup and what ever else is located and attached with the material. I will be digging out QL material for sure, probably original boxed commercial programs as well, maybe even a few pieces of hardware. Paul - this sort of stuff is always of interest particularly to me, as you know !! -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services Specialist Enuuk Auction Programming Services www.rwapservices.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
