Re: [Ql-Users] Lookup%
Hi, I personally would have no problem with adding a UQLX type into the SMSQE "keys_sys" file, at sys_mtyp (offset A7, as Per pointed out). Wolfgang > The bits in the SMSQmulator readme and QPC Keywords manuals that > describe the JVA_xxx/QPC_xxx keywords. > > EMU_EXIT, EMU_VER$, EMU_MINIMISE, EMU_NETNAME$, EMU_NETADDR$, > EMU_HOSTOS$ are things you might consider. It seems to me to make sense > to support the existing command set rather than invent parallel ones. > > Its a while since I used xQLx, so I may be talking through my hat here. > Back then it seemed to masquerade as a QL emulator with a few extras > thrown in. But it now seems to me to be a true alternative > platform/system in its own right. Maybe its time it came out of the > closet? In which case, and while youre at it, you may wish to confer > with Wolfgang about adding some bits and pieces to the system variables, > eg sys_mtyp, $00A7, and possibly others.. > > Per > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Lookup%
I'm a bit late to this conversation so may be missing the point - there is some documentation regarding the use of the Machine system variables and functions on my website, at http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/docs/articles/index.html - scroll down to the Machine Type... articles. They're rather old so may be missing the most up to date information I suppose, but will give Graeme the basic info on how it's set up and used. Dilwyn On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 at 18:54, pjwitte via Ql-Users wrote: > On 06/07/2021 16:51, Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users wrote: > > > > On Tue, 6 Jul 2021, at 3:44 PM, pjwitte via Ql-Users wrote: > >> <> > >> If it were only that easy.. :o( > >> > >> I havent gone through all of it, but just a couple of things: > >> > >> MACHINE would be better for sorting out wots wot, except not all > >> systems implement it. However, you can get the same info directly from > >> the system variables. I dont have the details to hand, but Im sure > >> someone will produce them any moment now.. > >> > >> EMU_VER$ was a result of my nagging to get some semblance of > >> conformity across the various emulators (Why does each emulator have a > >> different command to do the same thing!) The idea was that EMU_xxx > >> would replace JVA_xxx and QPC_xxx and anything else like it. Sadly, > >> that didnt happen only SMSQmulator complied (but then still kept the > >> old JVA_xxx) However, one day QPC (and/or any other) may conform and > >> then BANG! goes your test for SMSQmulator. If you want to do it that > >> way, better target JVA_VER$. > >> > >> Just a wee logical slip up: You cant use FDEC$ unless either TK2 or > >> SMSQ/E (or some other toolkit I dont know about) are present. > >> > > I can add that to sQLux pretty easilly (the EMU_VER$) any documentation > I should read? > > > > Graeme > > The bits in the SMSQmulator readme and QPC Keywords manuals that > describe the JVA_xxx/QPC_xxx keywords. > > EMU_EXIT, EMU_VER$, EMU_MINIMISE, EMU_NETNAME$, EMU_NETADDR$, > EMU_HOSTOS$ are things you might consider. It seems to me to make > sense to support the existing command set rather than invent parallel > ones. > > Its a while since I used xQLx, so I may be talking through my hat > here. Back then it seemed to masquerade as a QL emulator with a few > extras thrown in. But it now seems to me to be a true alternative > platform/system in its own right. Maybe its time it came out of the > closet? In which case, and while youre at it, you may wish to confer > with Wolfgang about adding some bits and pieces to the system > variables, eg sys_mtyp, $00A7, and possibly others.. > > Per > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Lookup%
On 06/07/2021 16:51, Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users wrote: On Tue, 6 Jul 2021, at 3:44 PM, pjwitte via Ql-Users wrote: <> If it were only that easy.. :o( I havent gone through all of it, but just a couple of things: MACHINE would be better for sorting out wots wot, except not all systems implement it. However, you can get the same info directly from the system variables. I dont have the details to hand, but Im sure someone will produce them any moment now.. EMU_VER$ was a result of my nagging to get some semblance of conformity across the various emulators (Why does each emulator have a different command to do the same thing!) The idea was that EMU_xxx would replace JVA_xxx and QPC_xxx and anything else like it. Sadly, that didnt happen only SMSQmulator complied (but then still kept the old JVA_xxx) However, one day QPC (and/or any other) may conform and then BANG! goes your test for SMSQmulator. If you want to do it that way, better target JVA_VER$. Just a wee logical slip up: You cant use FDEC$ unless either TK2 or SMSQ/E (or some other toolkit I dont know about) are present. I can add that to sQLux pretty easilly (the EMU_VER$) any documentation I should read? Graeme The bits in the SMSQmulator readme and QPC Keywords manuals that describe the JVA_xxx/QPC_xxx keywords. EMU_EXIT, EMU_VER$, EMU_MINIMISE, EMU_NETNAME$, EMU_NETADDR$, EMU_HOSTOS$ are things you might consider. It seems to me to make sense to support the existing command set rather than invent parallel ones. Its a while since I used xQLx, so I may be talking through my hat here. Back then it seemed to masquerade as a QL emulator with a few extras thrown in. But it now seems to me to be a true alternative platform/system in its own right. Maybe its time it came out of the closet? In which case, and while youre at it, you may wish to confer with Wolfgang about adding some bits and pieces to the system variables, eg sys_mtyp, $00A7, and possibly others.. Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Lookup%
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021, at 3:44 PM, pjwitte via Ql-Users wrote:
> On 06/07/2021 16:18, desin via Ql-Users wrote:
> > Am 06.07.21 um 15:07 schrieb Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 6 Jul 2021, at 1:59 PM, desin via Ql-Users wrote:
> >>>
> I agree with Francois, using LOOKUP% as alternative for EXISTS.
> I use it a lot. It returns the place in the name table which can
> also be
> used to test for conflicting keywords if found out of place.
>
> Bob
>
> >>> on QDOS
> >>> Lookup% can not distinguish between
> >>> SCR_XLIM and SCRXLIM
> >>> http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/tk/scrxlim.zip
> >>>
> >>> if SCRXLIM_cde is loaded
> >>> print Lookup% ("SCR_XLIM") gives 160
> >>> print Lookup% ("SCRXLIM") gives 162
> >>>
> >>> conclusion
> >>> QDOS -> EXISTS_bin
> >>> SMSQE -> Function_code
> >>>
> >> That looks right to me, assuming uQLx based code.
> >>
> >> Lookup%(SCR_YLIM) will give 161 (its the last extension installed
> >> by uQLx), and SCRXLIM is the first user one at 162.
> >>
> >> Graeme
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> >
> >
> > On the other hand; would it be safe to presume; for all Systems;
> > if SCR_XLIM is not present; the default screen resolution is used ?
> >
> > my reason is a simple system info
> > depends on
> > Exists_bin
> > scrxlim_cde
> >
> > CLS
> > PRINT
> > IF EXISTS ("EMU_VER$") : PRINT " SMSQmulator"
> > IF EXISTS ("QPC_EXIT") : PRINT " QPC2 "_ver$
> > IF EXISTS ("UQLX_RELEASE$"): PRINT " UQLX "_RELEASE$
> > smsqe% = 0 : min% = 0 : tk% = 0
> > IF "HBA" INSTR VER$ : smsqe% = 1
> > IF "JSL1" INSTR VER$ : min% = 1
> > IF EXISTS ("ED") : tk% = 1
> > IF smsqe% : PRINT " SMSQE " $ (1)
> > IF min% : PRINT " Minerva ROM "$ (1)
> > IF NOT min% AND NOT smsqe% : PRINT " ";VER$ &" ROM"
> > fr_mem%=FREE_MEM/1024
> > IF fr_mem% > 1024:PRINT " "$ (fr_mem%/1000,4,1) &" Mb free"
> > if fr_mem% <= 1024:PRINT " "_mem%&" Kb free"
> > if tk% and not smsqe% : PRINT " Toolkit2 enabled"
> > IF EXISTS ("HIS_USE") and not smsqe% : PRINT " History enabled"
> > IF exists ("PINFO") and not smsqe% : PRINT " Pointer enabled"
> > IF EXISTS ("RAM_USE") and not smsqe% : PRINT " Ramdisk enabled"
> > xx%=512:yy%=256
> > IF EXISTS ("SCR_XLIM"):xx%=SCR_XLIM :yy%=SCR_YLIM
> > IF EXISTS ("SCRXLIM") :xx%=SCRXLIM(0):yy%=SCRYLIM(0)
> > PRINT " Screen "%&"x"%
> >
> > Markus
>
> If it were only that easy.. :o(
>
> I havent gone through all of it, but just a couple of things:
>
> MACHINE would be better for sorting out wots wot, except not all
> systems implement it. However, you can get the same info directly from
> the system variables. I dont have the details to hand, but Im sure
> someone will produce them any moment now..
>
> EMU_VER$ was a result of my nagging to get some semblance of
> conformity across the various emulators (Why does each emulator have a
> different command to do the same thing!) The idea was that EMU_xxx
> would replace JVA_xxx and QPC_xxx and anything else like it. Sadly,
> that didnt happen only SMSQmulator complied (but then still kept the
> old JVA_xxx) However, one day QPC (and/or any other) may conform and
> then BANG! goes your test for SMSQmulator. If you want to do it that
> way, better target JVA_VER$.
>
> Just a wee logical slip up: You cant use FDEC$ unless either TK2 or
> SMSQ/E (or some other toolkit I dont know about) are present.
>
I can add that to sQLux pretty easilly (the EMU_VER$) any documentation I
should read?
Graeme
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Re: [Ql-Users] Lookup%
On 06/07/2021 16:18, desin via Ql-Users wrote:
Am 06.07.21 um 15:07 schrieb Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users:
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021, at 1:59 PM, desin via Ql-Users wrote:
I agree with Francois, using LOOKUP% as alternative for EXISTS.
I use it a lot. It returns the place in the name table which can
also be
used to test for conflicting keywords if found out of place.
Bob
on QDOS
Lookup% can not distinguish between
SCR_XLIM and SCRXLIM
http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/tk/scrxlim.zip
if SCRXLIM_cde is loaded
print Lookup% ("SCR_XLIM") gives 160
print Lookup% ("SCRXLIM") gives 162
conclusion
QDOS -> EXISTS_bin
SMSQE -> Function_code
That looks right to me, assuming uQLx based code.
Lookup%(SCR_YLIM) will give 161 (its the last extension installed
by uQLx), and SCRXLIM is the first user one at 162.
Graeme
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On the other hand; would it be safe to presume; for all Systems;
if SCR_XLIM is not present; the default screen resolution is used ?
my reason is a simple system info
depends on
Exists_bin
scrxlim_cde
CLS
PRINT
IF EXISTS ("EMU_VER$") : PRINT " SMSQmulator"
IF EXISTS ("QPC_EXIT") : PRINT " QPC2 "_ver$
IF EXISTS ("UQLX_RELEASE$"): PRINT " UQLX "_RELEASE$
smsqe% = 0 : min% = 0 : tk% = 0
IF "HBA" INSTR VER$ : smsqe% = 1
IF "JSL1" INSTR VER$ : min% = 1
IF EXISTS ("ED") : tk% = 1
IF smsqe% : PRINT " SMSQE " $ (1)
IF min% : PRINT " Minerva ROM "$ (1)
IF NOT min% AND NOT smsqe% : PRINT " ";VER$ &" ROM"
fr_mem%=FREE_MEM/1024
IF fr_mem% > 1024:PRINT " "$ (fr_mem%/1000,4,1) &" Mb free"
if fr_mem% <= 1024:PRINT " "_mem%&" Kb free"
if tk% and not smsqe% : PRINT " Toolkit2 enabled"
IF EXISTS ("HIS_USE") and not smsqe% : PRINT " History enabled"
IF exists ("PINFO") and not smsqe% : PRINT " Pointer enabled"
IF EXISTS ("RAM_USE") and not smsqe% : PRINT " Ramdisk enabled"
xx%=512:yy%=256
IF EXISTS ("SCR_XLIM"):xx%=SCR_XLIM :yy%=SCR_YLIM
IF EXISTS ("SCRXLIM") :xx%=SCRXLIM(0):yy%=SCRYLIM(0)
PRINT " Screen "%&"x"%
Markus
If it were only that easy.. :o(
I havent gone through all of it, but just a couple of things:
MACHINE would be better for sorting out wots wot, except not all
systems implement it. However, you can get the same info directly from
the system variables. I dont have the details to hand, but Im sure
someone will produce them any moment now..
EMU_VER$ was a result of my nagging to get some semblance of
conformity across the various emulators (Why does each emulator have a
different command to do the same thing!) The idea was that EMU_xxx
would replace JVA_xxx and QPC_xxx and anything else like it. Sadly,
that didnt happen only SMSQmulator complied (but then still kept the
old JVA_xxx) However, one day QPC (and/or any other) may conform and
then BANG! goes your test for SMSQmulator. If you want to do it that
way, better target JVA_VER$.
Just a wee logical slip up: You cant use FDEC$ unless either TK2 or
SMSQ/E (or some other toolkit I dont know about) are present.
Per
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Re: [Ql-Users] Lookup%
Hi,
I would do it the other way around. First check for "HBA" in vers$, if
it is that then you're on SMSQE and you can use the return from the
MACHINE function to find out what machine you're on.
Wolfgang
> On the other hand; would it be safe to presume; for all Systems;
> if SCR_XLIM is not present; the default screen resolution is used ?
>
> my reason is a simple system info
> depends on
> Exists_bin
> scrxlim_cde
>
> CLS
> PRINT
> IF EXISTS ("EMU_VER$") : PRINT " SMSQmulator"
> IF EXISTS ("QPC_EXIT") : PRINT " QPC2 "_ver$
> IF EXISTS ("UQLX_RELEASE$"): PRINT " UQLX "_RELEASE$
> smsqe% = 0 : min% = 0 : tk% = 0
> IF "HBA" INSTR VER$ : smsqe% = 1
> IF "JSL1" INSTR VER$ : min% = 1
> IF EXISTS ("ED") : tk% = 1
> IF smsqe% : PRINT " SMSQE " $ (1)
> IF min% : PRINT " Minerva ROM "$ (1)
> IF NOT min% AND NOT smsqe% : PRINT " ";VER$ &" ROM"
> fr_mem%=FREE_MEM/1024
> IF fr_mem% > 1024:PRINT " "$ (fr_mem%/1000,4,1) &" Mb free"
> if fr_mem% <= 1024:PRINT " "_mem%&" Kb free"
> if tk% and not smsqe% : PRINT " Toolkit2 enabled"
> IF EXISTS ("HIS_USE") and not smsqe% : PRINT " History enabled"
> IF exists ("PINFO") and not smsqe% : PRINT " Pointer enabled"
> IF EXISTS ("RAM_USE") and not smsqe% : PRINT " Ramdisk enabled"
> xx%=512:yy%=256
> IF EXISTS ("SCR_XLIM"):xx%=SCR_XLIM :yy%=SCR_YLIM
> IF EXISTS ("SCRXLIM") :xx%=SCRXLIM(0):yy%=SCRYLIM(0)
> PRINT " Screen "%&"x"%
>
> Markus
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Re: [Ql-Users] Lookup%
Am 06.07.21 um 15:07 schrieb Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users:
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021, at 1:59 PM, desin via Ql-Users wrote:
I agree with Francois, using LOOKUP% as alternative for EXISTS.
I use it a lot. It returns the place in the name table which can also be
used to test for conflicting keywords if found out of place.
Bob
on QDOS
Lookup% can not distinguish between
SCR_XLIM and SCRXLIM
http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/tk/scrxlim.zip
if SCRXLIM_cde is loaded
print Lookup% ("SCR_XLIM") gives 160
print Lookup% ("SCRXLIM") gives 162
conclusion
QDOS -> EXISTS_bin
SMSQE -> Function_code
That looks right to me, assuming uQLx based code.
Lookup%(SCR_YLIM) will give 161 (its the last extension installed by uQLx), and
SCRXLIM is the first user one at 162.
Graeme
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On the other hand; would it be safe to presume; for all Systems;
if SCR_XLIM is not present; the default screen resolution is used ?
my reason is a simple system info
depends on
Exists_bin
scrxlim_cde
CLS
PRINT
IF EXISTS ("EMU_VER$") : PRINT " SMSQmulator"
IF EXISTS ("QPC_EXIT") : PRINT " QPC2 "_ver$
IF EXISTS ("UQLX_RELEASE$"): PRINT " UQLX "_RELEASE$
smsqe% = 0 : min% = 0 : tk% = 0
IF "HBA" INSTR VER$ : smsqe% = 1
IF "JSL1" INSTR VER$ : min% = 1
IF EXISTS ("ED") : tk%= 1
IF smsqe% : PRINT " SMSQE " $ (1)
IF min%: PRINT " Minerva ROM "$ (1)
IF NOT min% AND NOT smsqe% : PRINT " ";VER$ &" ROM"
fr_mem%=FREE_MEM/1024
IF fr_mem% > 1024:PRINT " "$ (fr_mem%/1000,4,1) &" Mb free"
if fr_mem% <= 1024:PRINT " "_mem%&" Kb free"
if tk%and not smsqe% : PRINT " Toolkit2 enabled"
IF EXISTS ("HIS_USE") and not smsqe% : PRINT " History enabled"
IF exists ("PINFO") and not smsqe% : PRINT " Pointer enabled"
IF EXISTS ("RAM_USE") and not smsqe% : PRINT " Ramdisk enabled"
xx%=512:yy%=256
IF EXISTS ("SCR_XLIM"):xx%=SCR_XLIM :yy%=SCR_YLIM
IF EXISTS ("SCRXLIM") :xx%=SCRXLIM(0):yy%=SCRYLIM(0)
PRINT " Screen "%&"x"%
Markus
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Re: [Ql-Users] Lookup%
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021, at 1:59 PM, desin via Ql-Users wrote:
>
> > I agree with Francois, using LOOKUP% as alternative for EXISTS.
> > I use it a lot. It returns the place in the name table which can also be
> > used to test for conflicting keywords if found out of place.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> on QDOS
> Lookup% can not distinguish between
> SCR_XLIM and SCRXLIM
> http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/tk/scrxlim.zip
>
> if SCRXLIM_cde is loaded
> print Lookup% ("SCR_XLIM") gives 160
> print Lookup% ("SCRXLIM") gives 162
>
> conclusion
> QDOS -> EXISTS_bin
> SMSQE -> Function_code
>
That looks right to me, assuming uQLx based code.
Lookup%(SCR_YLIM) will give 161 (its the last extension installed by uQLx), and
SCRXLIM is the first user one at 162.
Graeme
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Re: [Ql-Users] Lookup%
I agree with Francois, using LOOKUP% as alternative for EXISTS.
I use it a lot. It returns the place in the name table which can also be
used to test for conflicting keywords if found out of place.
Bob
on QDOS
Lookup% can not distinguish between
SCR_XLIM and SCRXLIM
http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/tk/scrxlim.zip
if SCRXLIM_cde is loaded
print Lookup% ("SCR_XLIM") gives 160
print Lookup% ("SCRXLIM") gives 162
conclusion
QDOS -> EXISTS_bin
SMSQE -> Function_code
Markus
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