RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
Please don flame proof clothing before reading this !! BEGIN RANT MODE Bye bye then Peter. I think your attitude sucks (to be quite brutally honest) but you have made your choice to go, then so be it. I think your hardware posts are pretty tedious - but I'm not into hardware, but I still get them and all the replies, 99% of which are of no interest to me. I'm still here because I can contribute something in other respects. Maybe you think that everything on the list has to be QL/QDOS/SMQ/Q40/Q60/QPC (!) related but for the benefit of those of us on the list who do not have access to the Internet through a QL type device and/or software, then how exactly off topic is advice on avoiding the plagues and pitfalls of *having* to use such horrible things as PCs ? I for one am glad to see discussions on virusses - especially if it means that other people on this list using inferior hardware (ie PCs) can avoid sending them to me, and the rest of us - the majority I suspect - who access this list from a PC. The PC is a fact of life and no matter how much we like the QL, it is not, and never has been, mainstream - much as I would like to have seen it. It was ahead of its time, and shafted too. I for one, found the arguments re QPC or Q40/Q60 and which one was a real QL system pretty tedious, small minded and un-necessary. It still took up a lot of bandwidth on this list, in QL Toady etc - but I didn't cancel my subscription to QL Today. Because of the recent discussions on 'flo flo', I was able to see that I had a suspicious email this morning, and true to form, there was a virus attached, so someone on the list is still infected and sending it out. Maybe you are using Q40/Q60 and can avoid these things, but most of us have to take extreme care - especially those of us who read this list at work. (The virus was intercepted and deleted by our software, but others on the list might not be so lucky.) Maybe you even want those of us not using your hardware to catch the virusses on the go just now - so you can tell us all how wonderful Q40/Q60 is. Take your ball and go home then. END RANT MODE Now, having said all that, regardless of whether you re-join or not, and I'll be glad to see you return, I sincerely wish you every success with sales and development of Q40/Q60. One day, I hope to be able to have one - wife permitting of course. Good Luck. Sorry about that rant above everyone, but this tedious attitude from some people that 'only their way is right' gets on my t*ts ! Regards, Norman. (Having a somewhat bad day already - sorry!) - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - -Original Message- From: Peter Graf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list Hi folks, I find it absolutely OK to have some off-topic mails on this list now and then. But in the last weeks there has been a neverending *huge* flood of absolutely non QL-related traffic. PC's, Microsoft, the related software and the related viruses and the related problems will never end, and there are enough forums where they can be discussed. There is no reason why these forums are not used, and the ql-users list is constantly abused instead. Why don't you open a ms-users-and-smalltalk-list? Please see that I'm not talking about just a few mails now and then - that's fine by me! I'm talking about floods of mails. The consequence is, that I will now leave the list, because I don't have the time to handle this anymore. I'll unsubscribe after this mail. All the best Peter This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990.
RE: [ql-users] Newer Page version (with a little something for Nasta too ;-) plus BMP2SCR-Windows
Nice ! -Message d'origine- De : Dilwyn Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mardi 5 février 2002 17:32 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] Newer Page version (with a little something for Nasta too ;-) plus BMP2SCR-Windows (...) Thanks to Malcolm, it'll be on my website's Other Software Page later tonight, along with a redefined EDIT command which allows you to specify a string parameter which is the name of a proc or fn definition, so you can now do EDIT 'name' instead of just EDIT line_no% as you used to. -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
RE: [ql-users] Surplus QL ED drives
Perhaps an enhancement of such a tool would be to log typing error in a file so that it could be possible to correct later. Half way between online and batch corrector. Never seen such tool on other OS, but perhaps useful ? Claude -Message d'origine- De : Dilwyn Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mardi 5 février 2002 17:41 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] Surplus QL ED drives (...) As you say, can be better with short docs especially to type as fast as possible and correct later. Assuming he remembers to correct later (...)
RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
Norman, I have to be honest and say I'm in total agreement with you. Occasionally we go off topic, and I admit there have been a few more off topic emails lately than usual, but these are just as enjoyable as the on topic ones IMHO. Theres so much more to it all than just the QL, thats just the start of our common interests. I've often had brief interchanges on this list about Music with Phoebus, Roy, and Tony, about the celtic ties with Dilwyn and Norman, and also about the QL!! So What? Its through the occasional OT email that you get to learn a bit about all those people that make this list so interesting, and what makes 'em tick - and I value that. I may be a long younger than most of you, but I like to nostalgitise (is that a word?) too!!! The I'm not playing anymore attitude is great when you're seven years old, kinda wears out after that. Darren Branagh, Consumer Lending Business, Bank Of Ireland Card Services, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 01-6176368 (Direct Line)Fax: 01-6798717 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Norman Dunbar Norman.Dunbar@lTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' fs.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:cc: owner-ql-users@nSubject: RE: [ql-users] vg.ntnu.no ms-users-and-smalltalk-list 06/02/2002 09:14 Please respond to ql-users Please don flame proof clothing before reading this !! BEGIN RANT MODE Bye bye then Peter. I think your attitude sucks (to be quite brutally honest) but you have made your choice to go, then so be it. (snip!!) Regards, Norman. (Having a somewhat bad day already - sorry!) This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses.
Re: [ql-users] Virus
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 08:48:05PM +, Malcolm Cadman wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Zidlicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 07:27:56PM +, Malcolm Cadman wrote: One of the superb features is mail routing - which creates a newsgroup like tree based folder for groups such as this. Yes, the tree listing of emails in a newsgroup is amazing to watch ! interesting to read that basic MUA functionality hits windows. On linux-q40 at least sylpheed, mutt, exmh and balsa do this. Oh no ! ... I wondered when Linux would get a mention :-) How is it the that Linux gets such names like sylpheed, mutt, exmh and balsa:-) ... is there no imagination ? iirc sylpheed is japanese, the rest is probably some Unix mythology. Bye Richard
[ql-users] ACP error
Hi I have forgot to intruduce myself.. My name is Michael Grunditz , and i lives in a town called Uppsala just north of Stockholm the capital of Sweden. Im married and I have three kids. I work as a database/developer consultant for IMI. I dont us Wintel PC:s and my main home computer is a Kinetic RiscPC. The first time I saw a QL somewere in oktober last year , and now I got a Q40 and two original ql:s. And my english is terrible, you have to execuse me. And now to my question: Im trying to use ACP, but the program hangs on listing directory when I choose a zip file. If I prompt it to extract a file I get a window with ex unzip;-d. But then it stops, until I press the gun button. Why ? -- Michael Grunditz System Software Engineer E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office direct: +46 8 448 04 92 Office general: +46 8 448 04 50 Mobile: +46 709 54 61 54 Industri-Matematik International Web: http://www.im.se
[ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)
At 09:14 ðì 6/2/2002 +, you wrote: Norman's rant-mode on message snipped Hi all, No matter how much I understand each side's arguments I think it's a good time to say the following: 1. First of all, our freedom must stop where someone else's freedom stops. This is a fundamental democratic responsibility and I for one, no matter how much I agree or disagree with any side's position have to respect that... 2. It is a shame losing any of our developers from this list. They are a valuable commodity to a small group as we are... Having said that it would bother me just as much to lose you Norman as a contributor as it does to lose Peter or anyone else. Where would we be without Nasta for example, or Tony... and how much more rich our list would be if we had Simon Goodwin among us or Tony Tebby or Jonathan Hudson...? 3. Although going out with a bang as Peter did is my favourite course of action at times (Don't forget that I am Greek ;-))) We invented drama!) I have to admit that it is something that I don't particularly enjoy being done to me (Maybe it's me maturing -finally- or the understanding of people's differences). Nonetheless It's clear that it can be just frustrating to other as the original reason to the affected party... 4. If you want my two cents (which probably you don't ;-) but that's another story) I believe that the list is extremely PC oriented nowadays (and partly because of me too... I don't leave my tail as we say out of it!). It's proven that no matter how much useful advise regarding viruses and other security holes in M$ products has been exchanged in this list, people still do the same mistakes... still use Microsoft products and will still have the same problems which will still beg for the same advise... This repeating of mistakes especially on a foreign -to the subject of the list- platform can be very frustrating.. (Again I don't leave myself out of it... I did it numerous times and I would probably do it again). 5. No matter how much you agree or disagree with Peter, you have to admit that we do not (because it's convenient or because we forget) include the OT: prefix in our mail subject lines when its appropriate... This alone could save a lot of trouble and similar phenomena in the future. 6. Finally, whether we agree or disagree with Peter (or anyone else with the same or different or in general radical ideas) we have to consider voicing our concerns directly to them before going to the list... (That goes both sides and it does not imply anything about ANYONE - Just to make sure I am not misunderstood). All of the above, must not taken as a way of politely taking sides. My opinion on this matter is crystal clear and furthermore I like everyone on this list... else I wouldn't be here... :-) (So don't try to think that I am saying something that I don't). For all the above, I would propose a discussion on the proper etiquette of this list. If we set rules that are impartial, things like that will not happen again and arguments of this sort would be moot anyway :-) So I would accept comments on the above with thanks (And this is ON topic since it concerns the operation of the list). Especially I would like Bruce to voice his opinion on this (list moderator and all...:-) to solve problems like that at their genesis once and for all... Sorry for the extremely long mail, Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)
I wrote: 1. First of all, our freedom must stop where someone else's freedom stops. This is a fundamental democratic responsibility and I for one, no matter how much I agree or disagree with any side's position have to respect that... Well that would be stops when the other's STARTS anyway you get the message!
Re: [ql-users] ACP error
Dilwyn Jones wrote: I had this problem a while ago and realised that if you started a second copy and tried a listing it worked. It was a problem of some kind with a particular version and pipes I also had the idea that it could have something to do with that and searched in my mail archive. It was an SMSQ/E issue, long before there even was an SMSQ/E for Q40. Marcel
Re: [ql-users] ACP error
Marcel Kilgus wrote: Michael Grunditz wrote: I have done all of that , its configured Unzip needs the signal extension. Do you have that loaded? If not, it's again available from the usual site... Marcel Hi, Are you sure about the signal extension? I've never LRESPRed it and yet ACP works fine. The help file says you need at least the Extended Environment(PTR_GEN, Wman and Hot_rext) and Qlib_run (v3.36mod). Menu_rext is not indispensible but eases the use of ACP. François Van Emelen
Re: [ql-users] ACP error
François Van Emelen wrote: Are you sure about the signal extension? I've never LRESPRed it and yet ACP works fine. Not ACP needs it, the InfoZip unzip needs it. Well, actually it works without it but then it wants to print a message that it is not loaded. On the limited Q40 graphics resolution the ACP window will usually be above the SBasic window, thus locking it, preventing unzip to show its message and ACP can wait forever for unzip to finish... this can look like a lockup. Of course in this case switching to SBasic and back should do the trick, too. Marcel
Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] uk, Norman Dunbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Please don flame proof clothing before reading this !! BEGIN RANT MODE Snipped :-) END RANT MODE A lot of your 'rant' needed to said. Yet we have to be tolerant of each other, and, thankfully we are. This is a very pleasant list to be on. There is clearly a need for a document on virus handling ... when I get time I will liase with you and we can put out an advice notice. Maybe on your website. Then whenever there is a problem with a virus we can refer to the advice to help out those in need. Now, having said all that, regardless of whether you re-join or not, and I'll be glad to see you return, I sincerely wish you every success with sales and development of Q40/Q60. One day, I hope to be able to have one - wife permitting of course. Good Luck. Sorry about that rant above everyone, but this tedious attitude from some people that 'only their way is right' gets on my t*ts ! -Original Message- From: Peter Graf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list Hi folks, I find it absolutely OK to have some off-topic mails on this list now and then. But in the last weeks there has been a neverending *huge* flood of absolutely non QL-related traffic. PC's, Microsoft, the related software and the related viruses and the related problems will never end, and there are enough forums where they can be discussed. There is no reason why these forums are not used, and the ql-users list is constantly abused instead. Why don't you open a ms-users-and-smalltalk-list? Please see that I'm not talking about just a few mails now and then - that's fine by me! I'm talking about floods of mails. The consequence is, that I will now leave the list, because I don't have the time to handle this anymore. I'll unsubscribe after this mail. -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Tony Firshman wrote: If the virus has come via the list, then I think it _is_ on topic, and the information is interesting. Not only that, it serves as a reminder of why QLs are so great. No viruses! BTW: I'm still QL-less... Scary huh? Well, if you ever visit England that can be cured :-) -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Graf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Hi folks, I find it absolutely OK to have some off-topic mails on this list now and then. But in the last weeks there has been a neverending *huge* flood of absolutely non QL-related traffic. PC's, Microsoft, the related software and the related viruses and the related problems will never end, and there are enough forums where they can be discussed. There is no reason why these forums are not used, and the ql-users list is constantly abused instead. Why don't you open a ms-users-and-smalltalk-list? Please see that I'm not talking about just a few mails now and then - that's fine by me! I'm talking about floods of mails. The consequence is, that I will now leave the list, because I don't have the time to handle this anymore. I'll unsubscribe after this mail. I don't know about the rest of you but I have always seen this list as the cybernetic equivalent of the chat in the pub after a QL show. There are some groups of people earnestly discussing some aspects of code or esoteric uses of hardware and others (like Dave Walker and I suddenly finding we have a shared liking for the music of Judie Tzukie) exploring other co-incidences of interest. Quite apart from that most people on this list access it via M$ systems and are, as such, prone to the juvenile antics of those who have the mistaken idea that it is big to write and disseminate virus code. We all need to understand and protect ourselves against this because one slip could pass infections to the rest of us. No-one should ever be smug about their level of virus protection or ability to deal with it so, since this is an Internet and email based discussion all, of the mails on this are on topic. Wear blinkers - get run down. -- Roy Wood Q Branch, 20 Locks Hill Portslade. Sussex. BN41 2LB. UK Tel : +44 (0)1273 386030 Fax : +44 (0)1273 430501 (New number!) Mobile +44(0)7836 745501 Web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk
