François Pinard wrote:
[Uwe Ligges]
François Pinard wrote:
[David Forrest]
[...] A few end-to-end tutorials on some interesting analyses would
be helpful.
I'm in the process of learning R. While tutorials are undoubtedly
very useful, and understanding that working and studying
[Uwe Ligges]
François Pinard wrote:
[David Forrest]
[...] A few end-to-end tutorials on some interesting analyses would
be helpful.
I'm in the process of learning R. While tutorials are undoubtedly
very useful, and understanding that working and studying methods vary
between individuals, what I
Hi all,
UCLA ATS Statistical Consulting Group has just launched a very interesting
paper comparing SPSS, SAS Stata as Statistical Packages.. Perhaps the
most notable exception to this discussion is R
http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/technicalreports/
It's an interesting reading for this thread.
Naji [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi all,
UCLA ATS Statistical Consulting Group has just launched a very interesting
paper comparing SPSS, SAS Stata as Statistical Packages.. Perhaps the
most notable exception to this discussion is R
http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/technicalreports/
It's an
I just got into R for most of the Xmas vacations and was about to ask for
helping
pointer on how to get a hold of R when I came across this thread. I've read
through
most it and would like to comment from a novice user point of view. I've a
strong
programming background but limited
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On 01/04/06 11:04, Franois Pinard wrote:
I'm in the process of learning R. While tutorials are undoubtedly very
useful, and understanding that working and studying methods vary between
individuals, what I (for one) would like to have is a fairly complete
reference manual to the library.
Of
David Forrest wrote:
[...]
Any volunteers?
Yes, me (well, partly...)! Here is what I propose: this is a very
lengthy thread in R-Help, with many interesting ideas and suggestions. I
fear that, as it happens too often, those nice ideas will be lost
because of the support used: email! By
[Jonathan Baron]
[the current reference manual] is organised by library and, within
each library, by function name: this organisation means that the
manual is mainly used as a reference, or else, that it ought to be
studied from cover to cover, dauntingly.
I think that many search
François Pinard wrote:
[David Forrest]
[...] A few end-to-end tutorials on some interesting analyses would be
helpful.
I'm in the process of learning R. While tutorials are undoubtedly very
useful, and understanding that working and studying methods vary between
individuals, what I
Roger Bivand wrote:
Gabor Grothendieck wrote:
For example, consider this introductory session in Stata:
http://www.stata.com/capabilities/session.html
Could I ask for comments on:
source(url(http://spatial.nhh.no/R/etc/capabilities.R;), echo=TRUE)
as a reproduction of the Stata
R's week when handling large data file.
I has a data file : 807 vars, 118519 obs.and its CVS format.
Stata can read it in in 2 minus,but In my PC,R almost can not handle.
my pc's cpu 1.7G ;RAM 512M.
--
Deparment of Sociology
Fudan University
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John Maindonald wrote:
...
(4) When should students start learning R?
[Students should get their first exposure to a high-level programming
language, in the style of R then Python or Octave, at age 11-14.
There are now good alternatives to the former use of Fortran or
Pascal, languages
Hi all,
Roger thanks for the reproduction.
As a user of Stata R, for common analysis I do use Stata and often, I have
to adapt some computations or to do some complex hierarchical modeling and
then I switch to R.
For me switching from Stata (or other statistical software, SO) to R (or
other
As someone who has been using Stata for a while now (and I started without a
programming background), I recently had to
move to R because of the rich spatial packages. Here is my 0.001 cent to this
thread.
-WHAT I LOVE ABOUT STATA--
a) Total control
In
Peter Dalgaard writes:
Patrick Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
whereas you could quite conceivably do it in R. (What *is* the
equivalent of rnorm(25) in those languages, actually?)
In SAS, it would go along the lines of:
data randvec(drop=seed);
seed = 459437845;
do obs = 1 to
From: Patrick Burns
John Maindonald wrote:
...
(4) When should students start learning R?
[Students should get their first exposure to a high-level
programming
language, in the style of R then Python or Octave, at age 11-14.
There are now good alternatives to the former use
On 1/5/06, Liaw, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Patrick Burns
John Maindonald wrote:
...
(4) When should students start learning R?
[Students should get their first exposure to a high-level
programming
language, in the style of R then Python or Octave, at age 11-14.
Only or the record:
There is a wiki for R in general, used by only but a few people, annouced here
some year(s) ago:
http://fawn.unibw-hamburg.de/cgi-bin/Rwiki.pl
The question is: one or more wikis?
Detlef
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:35:17 +0100
Philippe Grosjean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David
Dear Peter,
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Subject: [R] A comment about R:
. . .
Ex. 1) Wald tests of linear hypotheses after max. likelihood
or even
As John and myself seem to have written our replies in parallel, hence
I added some more clarifying remarks in this mail:
Note that the Anova() function, also in car, can more conveniently compute
Wald tests for certain kinds of hypotheses. More generally, however, I'd be
interested in your
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[snip]
Any suggestion on how to go about
John Fox wrote:
Dear Peter,
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Subject: [R] A comment about R:
. . .
Ex. 1) Wald tests of linear hypotheses after max
On 1/5/06 11:27 AM, Achim Zeileis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As John and myself seem to have written our replies in parallel, hence
I added some more clarifying remarks in this mail:
Note that the Anova() function, also in car, can more conveniently compute
Wald tests for certain kinds of
A few thoughts about R vs SAS:
I started learning SAS 8 years ago at IBM, I believe it was version 6.10.
I started with R 7 months ago.
Learning curve:
I think I can do everything in R after 7 months that I could do in SAS after
about 4 years.
Bugs:
I suffered through several SAS version
Leif Kirschenbaum wrote:
A few thoughts about R vs SAS:
I started learning SAS 8 years ago at IBM, I believe it was version 6.10.
I started with R 7 months ago.
Learning curve:
I think I can do everything in R after 7 months that I could do in SAS
after about 4 years.
Bugs:
I
Leif Kirschenbaum wrote:
A few thoughts about R vs SAS:
I started learning SAS 8 years ago at IBM, I believe it was version 6.10.
I started with R 7 months ago.
Learning curve:
I think I can do everything in R after 7 months that I could do in SAS
after about 4 years.
Bugs:
I
On Thursday 05 January 2006 12:13, Achim Zeileis wrote:
. . . snip
Whether you find this simple or not depends on what you might want to
have. Personally, I always find it very limiting if I've only got a switch
to choose one or another vcov matrix when there is a multitude of vcov
matrices
Hello,
One additional example how easy are simple calculations in R.
Calculate the mean of data htinches, multiply it with 2.54 and round the result:
In R:
round( 2.54 * mean( htinches ) )
In SAS could this be done in 2 data steps and 2 proc steps:
DATA new; SET old;
htcm = htinches * 2.54;
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Gabor Grothendieck wrote:
On 1/3/06, Thomas Lumley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Peter Dalgaard wrote:
One thing that is often overlooked, and hasn't yet been mentioned in
the thread, is how much *simpler* R can be for certain completely
basic tasks
] On Behalf Of Bob Green
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:37 AM
To: r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch
Subject: Re: [R] A comment about R:
Hello,
Unlike most posts on the R mailing list I feel qualified to
comment on
this one. For about 3 months I have been trying to learn
use R, after
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Gabor Grothendieck wrote:
...
In fact there are some things that are very easy
to do in Stata and can be done in R but only with more difficulty.
For example, consider this introductory session in Stata:
http://www.stata.com/capabilities/session.html
Looking at the first
Mensagem original de Patrick Burns (Terça, 3 de Janeiro de 2006 19:28):
Wensui Liu wrote:
Another big difference between R and other computing language such as
SPSS/SAS/STATA.
You can easily get a job using SPSS/SAS/STATA. But it is extremely
difficult to find a job using R. ^_^.
Actually
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Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 6:16 PM
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Cc: Thomas Lumley; R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch; Patrick Burns; Peter Dalgaard
Subject: Re: [R] A comment about R
At 13:11 03.01.2006 -0500, Peter Flom wrote:
Ben Fairbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/3/2006 12:42 pm wrote
One implicit point in Kjetil's message is the difficulty of learning
enough of R to make its use a natural and desired first choice
alternative, which I see as the point at which real progress
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Roger Bivand wrote:
Could I ask for comments on:
source(url(http://spatial.nhh.no/R/etc/capabilities.R;), echo=TRUE)
as a reproduction of the Stata capabilities session? Both the t test and
the chi-square from our side point up oddities. I didn't succeed on
putting fit
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Subject: Re: [R] A comment about R:
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Gabor Grothendieck wrote:
...
In fact there are some things
[David Forrest]
[...] A few end-to-end tutorials on some interesting analyses would be
helpful.
I'm in the process of learning R. While tutorials are undoubtedly very
useful, and understanding that working and studying methods vary between
individuals, what I (for one) would like to have is a
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Thomas Lumley wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Roger Bivand wrote:
Could I ask for comments on:
source(url(http://spatial.nhh.no/R/etc/capabilities.R;), echo=TRUE)
as a reproduction of the Stata capabilities session? Both the t test and
the chi-square from our side
I'm someone who from time to time comes to R to do applied stats for social
science research. I think the R language is excellent--much better than
Stata for writing complex statistical programs. I am thrilled that I can do
complex stats readily in R--sem, maximum likelihood, bootstrapping, some
On 1/4/06, Roger Bivand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Could I ask for comments on:
source(url(http://spatial.nhh.no/R/etc/capabilities.R;), echo=TRUE)
as a reproduction of the Stata capabilities session? Both the t test and
the chi-square from our side point up oddities. I didn't succeed
]
**
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To: R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 3:36 PM
Subject: [R] A comment about R:
Readers of this list might be interested in the following commenta about
R.
In a recent report
From: Peter Dalgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [R] A comment about R:
One thing that is often overlooked, and hasn't yet been mentioned in
the thread, is how much *simpler* R can be for certain completely
basic tasks of practical or pedagogical relevance: Calculate a simple
derived statistic
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Roger Bivand wrote:
Could I ask for comments on:
source(url(http://spatial.nhh.no/R/etc/capabilities.R;), echo=TRUE)
as a reproduction of the Stata capabilities session? Both the t test
and
the chi-square from our side point up oddities. I didn't succeed on
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Grothendieck
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 4:59 PM
To: Philippe Grosjean
Cc: Kort, Eric; Kjetil Halvorsen; R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch
Subject: Re: [R] A comment about R:
Probably what
wrote:
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Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 4:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [R] A comment about R:
Probably what
Rau, Roland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
IMO this is a very good proposal but I think that the main problem is
not the translation of one function in SPSS/Stata/SAS to the
equivalent in R.
Remembering my first contact with R after using SPSS for some years (and
having some experience with Stata and
On 1/3/06, Peter Flom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rau, Roland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
IMO this is a very good proposal but I think that the main problem is
not the translation of one function in SPSS/Stata/SAS to the
equivalent in R.
Remembering my first contact with R after using SPSS for
] On Behalf Of Gabor
Grothendieck
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 4:59 PM
To: Philippe Grosjean
Cc: Kort, Eric; Kjetil Halvorsen; R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch
Subject: Re: [R] A comment about R:
Probably what is needed is for someone familiar with both Stata and R
to create a lexicon in the vein
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Philippe Grosjean wrote:
That said, I think one should interpret Mitchell's paper in a different
way. Obviously, he is an unconditional and happy Stata user (he even
wrote a book about graphs programming in Stata). His claim in favor of
Stata (versus SAS and SPSS, and
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 6:28 AM
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Cc: R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch
Subject: Re: [R] A comment about R:
Rau, Roland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
IMO this is a very good proposal but I
John Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/3/2006 9:35 am as always,
raises some excellent points. I have some responses, interspersed
It's not reasonable to argue with someone's experience -- that is, if
people
tell me that they found R harder to learn than SAS, say, then I believe
them
-- but that's not
On 3 Jan 2006 at 7:35, Thomas Lumley wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Philippe Grosjean wrote:
That said, I think one should interpret Mitchell's paper in a different
way. Obviously, he is an unconditional and happy Stata user (he even
wrote a book about graphs programming in Stata). His claim
Patrick Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have had an email conversation with the author of the
technical report from which the quote was taken. I am
formulating a comment to the report that will be posted
with the technical report.
I would be pleased if this thread continued, so I will
Another big difference between R and other computing language such as
SPSS/SAS/STATA.
You can easily get a job using SPSS/SAS/STATA. But it is extremely difficult
to find a job using R. ^_^.
On 03 Jan 2006 17:53:40 +0100, Peter Dalgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Patrick Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AM
To: R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch
Subject: [R] A comment about R:
Readers of this list might be interested in the following commenta about
R.
In a recent report, by Michael N. Mitchell
http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/technicalreports/
says about R:
Perhaps the most notable exception
Ben Fairbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/3/2006 12:42 pm wrote
One implicit point in Kjetil's message is the difficulty of learning
enough of R to make its use a natural and desired first choice
alternative, which I see as the point at which real progress and
learning commence with any new language. I
U
I cannot say how easy or hard R is to learn, but in response to the UCLA
commentary:
However, I
feel like R
is not so much of a statistical package as much as it is a statistical
programming environment that has many new and cutting edge
features.
Please note: the first
Wensui Liu wrote:
Another big difference between R and other computing language such as
SPSS/SAS/STATA.
You can easily get a job using SPSS/SAS/STATA. But it is extremely difficult
to find a job using R. ^_^.
Actually in finance it is getting easier all the time for
knowledge of R to be a
Berton Gunter writes
U
I cannot say how easy or hard R is to learn, but in response to the
UCLA
commentary:
However, I
feel like R
is not so much of a statistical package as much as it is a
statistical
programming environment that has many new and cutting edge
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Peter Dalgaard wrote:
One thing that is often overlooked, and hasn't yet been mentioned in
the thread, is how much *simpler* R can be for certain completely
basic tasks of practical or pedagogical relevance: Calculate a simple
derived statistic, confidence intervals from
As others have pointed out, since R is more of a programming language than a
statistical package, yes, it is _harder_ to learn. I would say its easier
to learn than C++, harder to learn than VBA, and on par with learning Java,
but that's all debatable.
One thing that makes R slightly more
On 1/3/06, Thomas Lumley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Peter Dalgaard wrote:
One thing that is often overlooked, and hasn't yet been mentioned in
the thread, is how much *simpler* R can be for certain completely
basic tasks of practical or pedagogical relevance: Calculate a
Hello,
Unlike most posts on the R mailing list I feel qualified to comment on
this one. For about 3 months I have been trying to learn use R, after
having used various versions of SPSS for about 10 years.
I think it is far too simplistic to ascribe non-use of R to laziness. This
may
Gabor Grothendieck wrote on 1/3/2006 2:37 PM:
Looking at the first few queries,
see how easy it is to take the top few in Stata whereas in R one would
have a complex use of order. Its not hard in R to write a function
that would make it just as easy but its not available off the top
of one's
Kort, Eric wrote:
Kjetil Halvorsen wrote...
Readers of this list might be interested in the following commenta about R.
In a recent report, by Michael N. Mitchell
http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/technicalreports/
says about R:
Perhaps the most notable exception to this discussion is R, a
On 1/2/06, Philippe Grosjean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kort, Eric wrote:
Kjetil Halvorsen wrote...
Readers of this list might be interested in the following commenta about R.
In a recent report, by Michael N. Mitchell
http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/technicalreports/
says about R:
That's a good idea.
I will try to give a lexicon on Stata vs R.
=== 2006-01-02 23:59:10 您在来信中写道：===
On 1/2/06, Philippe Grosjean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kort, Eric wrote:
Kjetil Halvorsen wrote...
Readers of this list might be interested in the following commenta about
Readers of this list might be interested in the following commenta about R.
In a recent report, by Michael N. Mitchell
http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/technicalreports/
says about R:
Perhaps the most notable exception to this discussion is R, a language for
statistical computing and graphics.
R
On 01/01/06 15:36, Kjetil Halvorsen wrote:
Readers of this list might be interested in the following commenta about R.
In a recent report, by Michael N. Mitchell
http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/technicalreports/
says about R: ...
Just a warning to others. If you go to the site, it asks for
Kjetil Halvorsen wrote...
Readers of this list might be interested in the following commenta about R.
In a recent report, by Michael N. Mitchell
http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/technicalreports/
says about R:
Perhaps the most notable exception to this discussion is R, a language for
statistical
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