Many thanks to everyone that posted replies to this thread. I used
some of the ideas from this thread and other sources to put together a
case for R and I just received formal approval from our IT department
today. In case this can be useful to anyone in the future, here's a
summary of what was
Rolf:
I'm in the odd position of having run the modest IT department at my
lab for five years, which (when I took it over) included my small
statistics team, since split out. So I'm a gamekeeper turned poacher.
Stavros wasn't wrong; these are all genuine issues for an IT manager. I
can think of a
I know on the website there are some pretty reputable sponsors of the
software who at some stage donated some (presumably significant) amount of
money out of thankfulness because some project worked and the software
helped in some way.
In order to push however the use of that software, might it
Stavros Macrakis wrote:
Perhaps rather than globally saying it is utter nonsense you would
care to refute what you think is wrong about it?
-s
PS Tyrants? Wow, we are really dramatizing life at work now
that was so much in the style of '/Windoze Sucks!!!' /[1]
wants
Stavros Macrakis wrote:
Condescendingly assuming that the IT department is run by idiots whose
decisions are ruled by emotional attachments (as one correspondent
suggested), or that they are irrationally prejudiced against free/open
source, and that it is obvious and irrefutable that you know
There has already been good discussion on this topic, but here are a couple of
other things to think about:
1. is it your job to convince your IT department, or is it your job to convince
your boss, and your boss's job to convince/dictate to the IT department
(getting your boss on your side
I won't burden the list with copies of earlier posts -- all of us have
experienced the frustration of dealing with folk who want to make their
life easier by making ours difficult. However, I have noted that a few
folk are starting to change attitudes. I was hired to give a training
session last
On 2/02/2009, at 4:29 PM, Murray Cooper wrote:
I was about to post a similar reply.
Stavros's reply was very eloquent and should be taken to heart!
I would just like to say that in my very humble opinion Stavros's
reply was utter nonsense. It was the sort of excuse-making favoured
by
Perhaps rather than globally saying it is utter nonsense you would
care to refute what you think is wrong about it?
-s
PS Tyrants? Wow, we are really dramatizing life at work now
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Rolf Turner r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz wrote:
On 2/02/2009, at
Rolf Turner wrote:
On 2/02/2009, at 4:29 PM, Murray Cooper wrote:
I was about to post a similar reply.
Stavros's reply was very eloquent and should be taken to heart!
I would just like to say that in my very humble opinion Stavros's
reply was utter nonsense. It was the sort of
On 3/02/2009, at 9:59 AM, Wacek Kusnierczyk wrote:
Rolf Turner wrote:
On 2/02/2009, at 4:29 PM, Murray Cooper wrote:
I was about to post a similar reply.
Stavros's reply was very eloquent and should be taken to heart!
I would just like to say that in my very humble opinion Stavros's
It's just not that easy. A friend of mine at a large company whose name
rhymes with Maytheon spent over 3 months trying to get approval
from IT for a commercial database tool. IT departments tend to be
empire-building fools, and extraordinarily paranoid to boot.
At my parent company,
One of the benefits of the current global economic crisis is that
some organizations facing financial difficulties are considering options
that were not unmentionable only 6 months ago.
Spencer Graves
Carl Witthoft wrote:
It's just not that easy. A friend of mine at a large
Though there are certainly some *ir*rational reasons for IT
departments' behavior, there are also many rational reasons that IT
departments try to control the software running in their
organizations.
Condescendingly assuming that the IT department is run by idiots whose
decisions are ruled by
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Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [R] How do I get my IT department to bless R?
Though there are certainly some *ir*rational reasons for IT
departments' behavior, there are also many rational reasons that IT
departments try to control the software running
2009/1/29 Daniel Viar dan.v...@gmail.com:
How does one get an all Microsoft
shop on board with allowing users to user R?
An 'all Microsoft shop' is what exactly? There is nothing on your PC
that isn't from Microsoft?
That makes me think that you're either going to be forced to do your
Daniel Viar wrote:
I currently use R at work under the radar, but there's a chance I
could loose that access. I'd like to get our company to feel
comfortable with open source and R in particular. Does anyone have
any experience with their company's IT department and management that
On 1/30/09, Warren Young war...@etr-usa.com wrote:
Could you please share a link to the NY Times article?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/technology/business-computing/07program.html
Also do not miss the follow-up blog from the author, plus the the
related comments [1].
Liviu
[1]
On 1/30/09, Neil Shephard nsheph...@gmail.com wrote:
If they expect you to use Excel for statistics then its worth letting them
know that this would be a very bad idea as there are many short-comings,
some of which I've referenced at..
This is a very broad question, and the answer is going to depend on your
particular situation, which we are not privy to.
I'll say two things. First, you should try to figure out why they would not
want you to run R, so you can address those reasons specifically. Second, you
might take a
Yes, Erik, there are all MS shops around! Ours happens to be one.
However, I have absolutely no push back from IT on my use of R to do
marketing analytics. The trick, Dan, is to deliver relevant and
actionable results to the business. Your champions will stick up for
you when, and if, you get any
Daniel Viar wrote:
I'd like to get our company to feel
comfortable with open source
Anyone still denying, here in 2009, that open source offers serious
business value is a dinosaur, doomed to extinction. Their cerebella
have calcified. The balance tipped a decade ago.
Just like the real
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Daniel Viar dan.v...@gmail.com wrote:
I currently use R at work under the radar, but there's a chance I
could loose that access. I'd like to get our company to feel
comfortable with open source and R in particular. Does anyone have
any experience with their
Daniel Viar dan.viar at gmail.com writes:
I currently use R at work under the radar, but there's a chance I
could loose that access. I'd like to get our company to feel
comfortable with open source and R in particular. Does anyone have
any experience with their company's IT department and
Could you please share a link to the NY Times article? Is it about OSS
in general or specific to R?
Thanks
Michael
Michael Bibo wrote:
Daniel Viar dan.viar at gmail.com writes:
I currently use R at work under the radar, but there's a chance I
could loose that access. I'd like to get
Erik Iverson wrote:
First, you should try to figure out why they would
not want you to run R, so you can address those reasons specifically.
Reasons imply reasoning. It's usually the case that decisions like this
are made on an emotional basis, not a rational one.
All of my
Michael Olschimke wrote:
Could you please share a link to the NY Times article?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/technology/business-computing/07program.html
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