Re: [R-sig-phylo] PIC vs. PGLS

2010-09-27 Thread Simon Blomberg
Hi Anne, Ted, Liam et al!, On 25/09/10 02:51, tgarl...@ucr.edu wrote: Hi Anne, I am going to put this back online so others might benefit or chime in. If you literally want to do correlations, then phylogenetically independent contrasts may be easiest. You just compute the standardized

Re: [R-sig-phylo] PIC vs. PGLS

2010-09-27 Thread Emmanuel Paradis
Hi all, Simon Blomberg wrote on 27/09/2010 08:10: Hi Anne, Ted, Liam et al!, On 25/09/10 02:51, tgarl...@ucr.edu wrote: Hi Anne, I am going to put this back online so others might benefit or chime in. If you literally want to do correlations, then phylogenetically independent contrasts may

Re: [R-sig-phylo] PIC vs. PGLS

2010-09-27 Thread Enrico Rezende
Hi everybody, I am able replicate the results of independent contrasts and PGLS employing R (mapping the intercept to the phylogenetic means). I also recall comparing results of PDAP employing a star phylogeny against a regular regression in SPSS for Windows. And as far as I can tell, this

Re: [R-sig-phylo] PIC vs. PGLS

2010-09-27 Thread Emmanuel Paradis
Enrico Rezende wrote on 27/09/2010 18:26: Hi everybody, I am able replicate the results of independent contrasts and PGLS employing R (mapping the intercept to the phylogenetic means). I also recall comparing results of PDAP employing a star phylogeny against a regular regression in SPSS for

Re: [R-sig-phylo] PIC vs. PGLS

2010-09-27 Thread Emmanuel Paradis
This one left my outbox too fast: Emmanuel Paradis wrote on 27/09/2010 19:08: tr - rtree(10) Cannot be closer to the PIC model. And both models have the same number of df (4 - 2 for the PICs; 5 - 3 for the GLS). This should be... 9 - 2 for the PICs; 10 - 3 for the GLS (number of points

Re: [R-sig-phylo] PIC vs. PGLS

2010-09-27 Thread Joe Felsenstein
Simon Blomberg wrote on 27/09/2010 08:10: (Ted Garland had written:) Another interesting technical point. In general, PIC and PGLS are the same, especially if you stick with a simple Brownian motion model of character evolution. However, their complete mathematical identity has not,