Re: [R-sig-phylo] How to detect phylogenetic signal (lambda) in one unscaled trait?

2012-03-26 Thread Robert Stephens
Hi, Do you have a software program for plug and ply to measure phylogenetic signal in a phylogenetic tree? I have a very high signal in an extinct species that is represented in a morphology matrix but not in the molecular sequence matrix, yet it appears to have the highest phylogenetic

Re: [R-sig-phylo] How to detect phylogenetic signal (lambda) in one unscaled trait?

2011-04-01 Thread Marguerite Butler
From: Alberto Gallano alberto@gmail.com Subject: Re: [R-sig-phylo] How to detect phylogenetic signal (lambda) in one unscaled trait? To: Alejandro Gonzalez alejandro.gonza...@ebd.csic.es Cc: R-phylo Mailing-list r-sig-phylo@r-project.org Thanks Alejandro, yes, I see this difference. I

Re: [R-sig-phylo] How to detect phylogenetic signal (lambda) in one unscaled trait?

2011-03-23 Thread tgarland
to then analyze a trait that is no longer correlated with body size. Cheers, Ted Original message Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 02:13:36 +0200 From: Alberto Gallano alberto@gmail.com Subject: Re: [R-sig-phylo] How to detect phylogenetic signal (lambda) in one unscaled trait? To: Alejandro

[R-sig-phylo] How to detect phylogenetic signal (lambda) in one unscaled trait?

2011-03-22 Thread Alberto Gallano
This is a repost of an earlier question, after my colleague helped me with my English: To calculate signal in PGLS multiple regression (with say two independent variables) I can use the following model: lambdaModel - gls(Y ~ X + bodymass, correlation=corPagel(1, tree), method=ML) This will

Re: [R-sig-phylo] How to detect phylogenetic signal (lambda) in one unscaled trait?

2011-03-22 Thread tgarland
Subject: [R-sig-phylo] How to detect phylogenetic signal (lambda) in one unscaled trait? To: r-sig-phylo@r-project.org This is a repost of an earlier question, after my colleague helped me with my English: To calculate signal in PGLS multiple regression (with say two

Re: [R-sig-phylo] How to detect phylogenetic signal (lambda) in one unscaled trait?

2011-03-22 Thread Alberto Gallano
statistic. Cheers, Ted Original message Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:37:58 +0200 From: Alberto Gallano alberto@gmail.com Subject: [R-sig-phylo] How to detect phylogenetic signal (lambda) in one unscaled trait? To: r-sig-phylo@r-project.org

Re: [R-sig-phylo] How to detect phylogenetic signal (lambda) in one unscaled trait?

2011-03-22 Thread Alberto Gallano
of that quantity. 4. Compute the K statistic. Cheers, Ted Original message Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:37:58 +0200 From: Alberto Gallano alberto@gmail.com Subject: [R-sig-phylo] How to detect phylogenetic signal (lambda

Re: [R-sig-phylo] How to detect phylogenetic signal (lambda) in one unscaled trait?

2011-03-22 Thread Joe Felsenstein
Ted wrote: Following on that, various papers (I can't remember the references) have argued that imagining Brownian-like evolution of body size on a log scale seems reasonable. That is, it should be equally easy for an elephant's body size to evolve 10% as for a mouse's body size to evolve

Re: [R-sig-phylo] How to detect phylogenetic signal (lambda) in one unscaled trait?

2011-03-22 Thread Alejandro Gonzalez
Hi Alberto, The results differ between the two approaches because you're actually estimating two different things. gls(logY ~ logX, correlation=corPagel(1, tree), method=ML) Will give you the estimate of lambda for the residuals of the fitted model. while: fitContinuous(tree, log(Y/X),

Re: [R-sig-phylo] How to detect phylogenetic signal (lambda) in one unscaled trait?

2011-03-22 Thread Alberto Gallano
Thanks Alejandro, yes, I see this difference. I think my question is: if the goal is to assess phylogenetic signal in a trait, after accounting for interspecific differences in body size, which of these two alternatives is preferable? They both seem to calculate lambda after correcting for body