Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Matthew Butterick wrote: > > T as in "text": > > @-form => T-form > @-expression = > T-expression (or t-exp in shorthand) (Or "Texprs"...) > #lang at-exp racket => #lang t-exp racket > > #lang scribble/text => #lang t-exp/text > > #lang

Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

IMHO the "text expression" does precisely the same as current use of scribble -> pigeonholing the syntax for one use: in the case of scribble it is "documentation" in the case of text - "text processing". I actually find "at-exp" to be quite fitting but would keep using this form everywhere

Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 01:54:35AM -0400, Eli Barzilay wrote: But I'm guessing that I lost you again, so none of this would move you. All I can do at this point is sigh and hope that you'll end up at the best case of re-implementing @-expressions with the slightly more verbose syntax that you

Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

On Sep 25, 2016, at 10:53 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote: > When we realized that this is going > to be confusing, it was already clear that the latter meaning is already > "winning", so the syntax turned into @-forms, @-expressions etc -- I'm > probably the only one who still uses

Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 4:21 PM, William G Hatch wrote: > >> Yes, and you can do all of that with just a string, which you can >> still get from an @-form -- just throw a syntax error if it's not all >> strings. And with just that you get the *benefit* of ignoring >>

Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Matthew Butterick wrote: > > On Sep 25, 2016, at 2:10 AM, Eli Barzilay wrote: >> *Don't* confuse scribble-the-documentation-system with the syntax -- >> the syntax is useful for many other cases, and designed to make sense >>

Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 01:50:51PM -0700, Dupéron Georges wrote: If I understand you well, the intended use of your nested delimiters can be more or less described as syntactic sugar for #reader, with auto-detection of where the string ends: (filter foo? (python-ish-list-comprehend

Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

I second the idea that the documentation could be clearer on the difference between "#lang scribble/base" and friends and what can be done with the at-reader in general, as shown in languages like "scribble/text" and "scribble/html". Despite having used both "scribble/base"-family languages and

Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

If I understand you well, the intended use of your nested delimiters can be more or less described as syntactic sugar for #reader, with auto-detection of where the string ends: (filter foo? (python-ish-list-comprehend «thing for x in sqlish(«select * from foo») where

Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 05:10:27AM -0400, Eli Barzilay wrote: To be clear, no offense taken That's good. After I read "Eli bait" my mind took the rest as having an annoyed tone, probably from reading too many online flame wars. It's hard to tell people's emotions in text. I think ultimately

Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

On Sep 25, 2016, at 2:10 AM, Eli Barzilay wrote: > *Don't* confuse scribble-the-documentation-system with the syntax -- the > syntax is useful for many other cases, and designed to make sense in > other cases. See my description (specifically section 4, which is very >

Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

> On Sep 25, 2016, at 3:55 AM, William G Hatch wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 05:33:18PM -0400, Alex Knauth wrote: >> The way racket already does this is with a 'paren-shape syntax property, >> which you can ignore if you want to use ｢｣ as a normal visually distinctive

Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 3:34 AM, William G Hatch wrote: > First of all, I really didn't mean any offense. I think the at-reader > and my nestable string delimiters are trying to solve slightly > different problems, and I didn't really convey that well. I didn't > mean for it

Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 05:33:18PM -0400, Alex Knauth wrote: The way racket already does this is with a 'paren-shape syntax property, which you can ignore if you want to use ｢｣ as a normal visually distinctive paren type *without* needing a special macro with a weird name. I hadn't thought

Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

First of all, I really didn't mean any offense. I think the at-reader and my nestable string delimiters are trying to solve slightly different problems, and I didn't really convey that well. I didn't mean for it to be "Eli bait". Let me explain my use case a little, and maybe my earlier mail

Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 12:46 PM, William G Hatch wrote: > > First, nestable strings are nice for other things as well. For > instance, since they don't escape backslashes, they are nice for > constructing regexps, which famously explode into mountains of > backslashes due to

Re: [racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

> On Sep 24, 2016, at 12:46 PM, William G Hatch wrote: > Additionally, I've long wanted more types of parens in Racket. I > haven't really known what I would do with them -- I use Racket's > conventions for () and [], and have my own loose convention for {}. But > after

[racket-users] udelim package -- more parens than you can shake a stick at

Hello everybody, I'm announcing another little package I've written to get comments on it: udelim. Udelim is a library for adding extra parens and string delimiters to your language. For many years, before ever coming to racket, I've wanted nestable string delimiters. Especially when working