Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse
i apologize ,the confirmation mail was in the spam folder, everything is fine now thanks Damien On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 6:46 PM John Clements wrote: > I’m sorry to hear that! Several things to check/try > > 1) I see the confirmation email coming from “rac...@discoursemail.com”, > with subject line "[Racket Discussions] Confirm your new account” > > Maybe it’s in your junk folder? > > 2) You can always ignore the given url and just go to > racket.discourse.group and sign up manually, perhaps that will work. > > Let me know if I can help any further, I do know that people have signed > up using gmail accounts. > > John > > > On Nov 23, 2021, at 12:25, damien...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > if i create an account following the link at the end of this message , i > never get verification email at my google address i specified. > > > > On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 7:09:21 PM UTC+1 johnbclements wrote: > > TL;DR: Go to > > > > https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T > > > > and sign up for Racket Discourse (https://racket.discourse.group/) > > > > # Thoughts behind the move: > > > > Over time, it has become steadily more apparent that email-only > > mailing lists are an outdated communication medium for the Racket > > community. More recent arrivals in our community have generally > > chosen other platforms like slack or discord to carry on discussions. > > As a result, the signal-to-noise ratio of the racket users mailing list > > has dropped below the level of viability. > > > > In short, it’s time to give up on the mailing list. > > > > After a good deal of research, it looks like there’s room for a whole > > bunch of discussion platforms for Racket, but it also seems as though > > there should be a “permanent” one; it should be archived, it should be > > searchable in its entirety, and it should not tie us to someone else’s > > plan to monetize user data. > > > > Given these criteria, the winner is Discourse, an open-source > > messaging platform built by Jeff Atwood, Robin Ward, and Sam > > Saffron. It has a reasonable business model (they host projects like > > ours unless they get really big, whereupon you can either host it > > yourself or pay them to do it); it’s widely used by other language > > communities; and it appears to do most of what we want. > > > > # So where can I sign up? > > > > Sign up here: https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T > > > > The discourse platform has been in a “soft opening” phase for about > > two weeks now, since RacketCon, and we have about a hundred users. > > You’re receiving this message because we’d like to have *YOU* there > > as well. > > > > # Can I still receive messages like a mailing list? > > > > Yes, you can. I have it enabled myself! > > To use discord as a mailing-list: > > Sign up, go to Preferences > Email, and tick “Enable mailing list mode'. > > > > Yours, > > > > John Clements & Stephen De Gabrielle > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Racket Users" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/a1cc04f5-25f6-4d0e-aeda-a656c18e5604n%40googlegroups.com > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/CADEOadd%2BFw6TBk-Pq51V46zZyFDdikU2xVkU%3D519zfWZNXc-_Q%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse
I’m sorry to hear that! Several things to check/try 1) I see the confirmation email coming from “rac...@discoursemail.com”, with subject line "[Racket Discussions] Confirm your new account” Maybe it’s in your junk folder? 2) You can always ignore the given url and just go to racket.discourse.group and sign up manually, perhaps that will work. Let me know if I can help any further, I do know that people have signed up using gmail accounts. John > On Nov 23, 2021, at 12:25, damien...@gmail.com > wrote: > > if i create an account following the link at the end of this message , i > never get verification email at my google address i specified. > > On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 7:09:21 PM UTC+1 johnbclements wrote: > TL;DR: Go to > > https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T > > and sign up for Racket Discourse (https://racket.discourse.group/) > > # Thoughts behind the move: > > Over time, it has become steadily more apparent that email-only > mailing lists are an outdated communication medium for the Racket > community. More recent arrivals in our community have generally > chosen other platforms like slack or discord to carry on discussions. > As a result, the signal-to-noise ratio of the racket users mailing list > has dropped below the level of viability. > > In short, it’s time to give up on the mailing list. > > After a good deal of research, it looks like there’s room for a whole > bunch of discussion platforms for Racket, but it also seems as though > there should be a “permanent” one; it should be archived, it should be > searchable in its entirety, and it should not tie us to someone else’s > plan to monetize user data. > > Given these criteria, the winner is Discourse, an open-source > messaging platform built by Jeff Atwood, Robin Ward, and Sam > Saffron. It has a reasonable business model (they host projects like > ours unless they get really big, whereupon you can either host it > yourself or pay them to do it); it’s widely used by other language > communities; and it appears to do most of what we want. > > # So where can I sign up? > > Sign up here: https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T > > The discourse platform has been in a “soft opening” phase for about > two weeks now, since RacketCon, and we have about a hundred users. > You’re receiving this message because we’d like to have *YOU* there > as well. > > # Can I still receive messages like a mailing list? > > Yes, you can. I have it enabled myself! > To use discord as a mailing-list: > Sign up, go to Preferences > Email, and tick “Enable mailing list mode'. > > Yours, > > John Clements & Stephen De Gabrielle > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Racket Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/a1cc04f5-25f6-4d0e-aeda-a656c18e5604n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/e869aa79-b8c8-4d51-9737-ebdc2c5eb88e%40mtasv.net.
Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse
Thanks! On 11/22/21 9:58 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 9:52 AM Sage Gerard wrote: >> Thanks for checking on this. I'd expect something like a CoC more than a ToS >> in this case, but terms are terms :) > The discourse site is hosted by the people who make/run Discourse the > project, you can read about them here: https://www.discourse.org/team > > I believe that this mailing list is covered by the general Google > terms of service, here: https://policies.google.com/terms?hl=en-US and > the Google Groups content policy here: > https://support.google.com/groups/answer/4561696?hl=en > >> If you don't mind, I have a couple of follow up questions. >> >> Were "rank-and-file" Racket contributors alerted to this change in advance? >> Say, in a RacketCon speech? I may have missed it. > I announced it in the State of Racket talk at RacketCon. > >> Did a sponsor play any role in this transition? > The Discourse site is free based on the Free-for-open-source version > of Discourse, but no sponsorship is involved. > > Sam > >> On 11/22/21 9:49 AM, John Clements wrote: >> >> I’m actually very heartened to see the boilerplate here; it sounds like this >> is something we can edit, and not something imposed by Discourse. If that’s >> the case, then it certainly seems likely that we can find some language (or, >> more importantly, *lack* of language) that makes more of us happy. >> >> I, for one, am shocked to see binding arbitration language in here: I think >> binding arbitration is one of the most revolting elements of corporate >> control in our society today, and if we were unable to remove the binding >> arbitration clause, I would likely abandon discourse myself. >> >> Sounds like the next step is to come up with a TOS that’s acceptable to all, >> or find a way to remove it entirely. >> >> John >> >> On Nov 22, 2021, at 04:54, Norman Gray wrote: >> >> >> Greetings. >> >> On 22 Nov 2021, at 4:24, Sage Gerard wrote: >> >> But I have to ask, who wrote the ToS? Who is "the company" in its >> >> context? Discord? One of the Racket team's universities? A sponsor? >> >> I'm not sure who 'the company' is, either, but they appear to be called >> 'company_name' (catchy!), and that users are notified that disputes can only >> be arbitrated in city_for_disputes, under governing_law. *cough* >> >> Such curiosities aside, all of that does represent unappealingly more >> legalese than one expects for a mailing list. But since the current list is >> hosted at googlegroups, and since it's not obvious that Discourse Corp is >> more predatory than Google Corp (indeed, the former is dispensing >> freemium-ware rather than ad-ware, so are more attractive in terms of >> business model), it feels irrational for me to be too put off by it. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Norman >> >> >> -- >> Norman Gray : https://nxg.me.uk >> SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Racket Users" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/BEC261BF-C274-4221-8F62-C77D181ED1EF%40glasgow.ac.uk. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Racket Users" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/8bb7efbe-0d8a-32d8-c423-986e523e343c%40sagegerard.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/e88f5bd3-4870-a372-5fdd-d6a9c6069e0e%40sagegerard.com.
Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse
Gotcha, thanks. As long as we were warned! I thought I remembered Sam mentioning something along the lines of an "AWS grant," but my memory is unreliable here. On 11/22/21 9:57 AM, John Clements wrote: > Good questions: > > 1) Yes, Sam mentioned the discourse group at RacketCon, and there was some > “hallway” discussion about it. > 2) No, no sponsor was involved. Yikes! Indeed, I’m not aware that Racket > *has* any sponsors currently, aside from the research and infrastructure > grants that are being funded by the NSF et cetera. > > John > >> On Nov 22, 2021, at 09:52, Sage Gerard wrote: >> >> Thanks for checking on this. I'd expect something like a CoC more than a ToS >> in this case, but terms are terms :) >> If you don't mind, I have a couple of follow up questions. >> >> • Were "rank-and-file" Racket contributors alerted to this change in >> advance? Say, in a RacketCon speech? I may have missed it. >> • Did a sponsor play any role in this transition? >> On 11/22/21 9:49 AM, John Clements wrote: >>> I’m actually very heartened to see the boilerplate here; it sounds like >>> this is something we can edit, and not something imposed by Discourse. If >>> that’s the case, then it certainly seems likely that we can find some >>> language (or, more importantly, *lack* of language) that makes more of us >>> happy. >>> >>> I, for one, am shocked to see binding arbitration language in here: I think >>> binding arbitration is one of the most revolting elements of corporate >>> control in our society today, and if we were unable to remove the binding >>> arbitration clause, I would likely abandon discourse myself. >>> >>> Sounds like the next step is to come up with a TOS that’s acceptable to >>> all, or find a way to remove it entirely. >>> >>> John >>> >>> On Nov 22, 2021, at 04:54, Norman Gray wrote: Greetings. On 22 Nov 2021, at 4:24, Sage Gerard wrote: > But I have to ask, who wrote the ToS? Who is "the company" in its > > context? Discord? One of the Racket team's universities? A sponsor? > I'm not sure who 'the company' is, either, but they appear to be called 'company_name' (catchy!), and that users are notified that disputes can only be arbitrated in city_for_disputes, under governing_law. *cough* Such curiosities aside, all of that does represent unappealingly more legalese than one expects for a mailing list. But since the current list is hosted at googlegroups, and since it's not obvious that Discourse Corp is more predatory than Google Corp (indeed, the former is dispensing freemium-ware rather than ad-ware, so are more attractive in terms of business model), it feels irrational for me to be too put off by it. Best wishes, Norman -- Norman Gray : https://nxg.me.uk SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/BEC261BF-C274-4221-8F62-C77D181ED1EF%40glasgow.ac.uk . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/b78997fa-d576-10a9-8911-76035f9bc83a%40sagegerard.com.
Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse
Good questions: 1) Yes, Sam mentioned the discourse group at RacketCon, and there was some “hallway” discussion about it. 2) No, no sponsor was involved. Yikes! Indeed, I’m not aware that Racket *has* any sponsors currently, aside from the research and infrastructure grants that are being funded by the NSF et cetera. John > On Nov 22, 2021, at 09:52, Sage Gerard wrote: > > Thanks for checking on this. I'd expect something like a CoC more than a ToS > in this case, but terms are terms :) > If you don't mind, I have a couple of follow up questions. > > • Were "rank-and-file" Racket contributors alerted to this change in > advance? Say, in a RacketCon speech? I may have missed it. > • Did a sponsor play any role in this transition? > On 11/22/21 9:49 AM, John Clements wrote: >> I’m actually very heartened to see the boilerplate here; it sounds like this >> is something we can edit, and not something imposed by Discourse. If that’s >> the case, then it certainly seems likely that we can find some language (or, >> more importantly, *lack* of language) that makes more of us happy. >> >> I, for one, am shocked to see binding arbitration language in here: I think >> binding arbitration is one of the most revolting elements of corporate >> control in our society today, and if we were unable to remove the binding >> arbitration clause, I would likely abandon discourse myself. >> >> Sounds like the next step is to come up with a TOS that’s acceptable to all, >> or find a way to remove it entirely. >> >> John >> >> >>> On Nov 22, 2021, at 04:54, Norman Gray >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Greetings. >>> >>> On 22 Nov 2021, at 4:24, Sage Gerard wrote: >>> >>> But I have to ask, who wrote the ToS? Who is "the company" in its context? Discord? One of the Racket team's universities? A sponsor? >>> I'm not sure who 'the company' is, either, but they appear to be called >>> 'company_name' (catchy!), and that users are notified that disputes can >>> only be arbitrated in city_for_disputes, under governing_law. *cough* >>> >>> Such curiosities aside, all of that does represent unappealingly more >>> legalese than one expects for a mailing list. But since the current list >>> is hosted at googlegroups, and since it's not obvious that Discourse Corp >>> is more predatory than Google Corp (indeed, the former is dispensing >>> freemium-ware rather than ad-ware, so are more attractive in terms of >>> business model), it feels irrational for me to be too put off by it. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Norman >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Norman Gray : >>> https://nxg.me.uk >>> >>> SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Racket Users" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to >>> racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/BEC261BF-C274-4221-8F62-C77D181ED1EF%40glasgow.ac.uk >>> . >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/f00c26e6-f223-45d0-b725-f0b2fb421e4c%40mtasv.net.
Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse
Thanks for checking on this. I'd expect something like a CoC more than a ToS in this case, but terms are terms :) If you don't mind, I have a couple of follow up questions. - Were "rank-and-file" Racket contributors alerted to this change in advance? Say, in a RacketCon speech? I may have missed it. - Did a sponsor play any role in this transition? On 11/22/21 9:49 AM, John Clements wrote: > I’m actually very heartened to see the boilerplate here; it sounds like this > is something we can edit, and not something imposed by Discourse. If that’s > the case, then it certainly seems likely that we can find some language (or, > more importantly, *lack* of language) that makes more of us happy. > > I, for one, am shocked to see binding arbitration language in here: I think > binding arbitration is one of the most revolting elements of corporate > control in our society today, and if we were unable to remove the binding > arbitration clause, I would likely abandon discourse myself. > > Sounds like the next step is to come up with a TOS that’s acceptable to all, > or find a way to remove it entirely. > > John > >> On Nov 22, 2021, at 04:54, Norman Gray >> [](mailto:norman.g...@glasgow.ac.uk) >> wrote: >> >> Greetings. >> >> On 22 Nov 2021, at 4:24, Sage Gerard wrote: >> >>> But I have to ask, who wrote the ToS? Who is "the company" in its >>> >>> context? Discord? One of the Racket team's universities? A sponsor? >> >> I'm not sure who 'the company' is, either, but they appear to be called >> 'company_name' (catchy!), and that users are notified that disputes can only >> be arbitrated in city_for_disputes, under governing_law. *cough* >> >> Such curiosities aside, all of that does represent unappealingly more >> legalese than one expects for a mailing list. But since the current list is >> hosted at googlegroups, and since it's not obvious that Discourse Corp is >> more predatory than Google Corp (indeed, the former is dispensing >> freemium-ware rather than ad-ware, so are more attractive in terms of >> business model), it feels irrational for me to be too put off by it. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Norman >> >> -- >> Norman Gray : >> https://nxg.me.uk >> SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Racket Users" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to >> racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/BEC261BF-C274-4221-8F62-C77D181ED1EF%40glasgow.ac.uk >> . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/8bb7efbe-0d8a-32d8-c423-986e523e343c%40sagegerard.com.
Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse
I’m actually very heartened to see the boilerplate here; it sounds like this is something we can edit, and not something imposed by Discourse. If that’s the case, then it certainly seems likely that we can find some language (or, more importantly, *lack* of language) that makes more of us happy. I, for one, am shocked to see binding arbitration language in here: I think binding arbitration is one of the most revolting elements of corporate control in our society today, and if we were unable to remove the binding arbitration clause, I would likely abandon discourse myself. Sounds like the next step is to come up with a TOS that’s acceptable to all, or find a way to remove it entirely. John > On Nov 22, 2021, at 04:54, Norman Gray wrote: > > > Greetings. > > On 22 Nov 2021, at 4:24, Sage Gerard wrote: > >> But I have to ask, who wrote the ToS? Who is "the company" in its >> >> context? Discord? One of the Racket team's universities? A sponsor? > > I'm not sure who 'the company' is, either, but they appear to be called > 'company_name' (catchy!), and that users are notified that disputes can only > be arbitrated in city_for_disputes, under governing_law. *cough* > > Such curiosities aside, all of that does represent unappealingly more > legalese than one expects for a mailing list. But since the current list is > hosted at googlegroups, and since it's not obvious that Discourse Corp is > more predatory than Google Corp (indeed, the former is dispensing > freemium-ware rather than ad-ware, so are more attractive in terms of > business model), it feels irrational for me to be too put off by it. > > Best wishes, > > Norman > > > -- > Norman Gray : https://nxg.me.uk > SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Racket Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/BEC261BF-C274-4221-8F62-C77D181ED1EF%40glasgow.ac.uk. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/0691253b-ef19-4534-b0ec-8faeca204807%40mtasv.net.
Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse
Greetings. On 22 Nov 2021, at 4:24, Sage Gerard wrote: > But I have to ask, who wrote the ToS? Who is "the company" in its > > context? Discord? One of the Racket team's universities? A sponsor? I'm not sure who 'the company' is, either, but they appear to be called 'company_name' (catchy!), and that users are notified that disputes can only be arbitrated in city_for_disputes, under governing_law. *cough* Such curiosities aside, all of that does represent unappealingly more legalese than one expects for a mailing list. But since the current list is hosted at googlegroups, and since it's not obvious that Discourse Corp is more predatory than Google Corp (indeed, the former is dispensing freemium-ware rather than ad-ware, so are more attractive in terms of business model), it feels irrational for me to be too put off by it. Best wishes, Norman -- Norman Gray : https://nxg.me.uk SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/BEC261BF-C274-4221-8F62-C77D181ED1EF%40glasgow.ac.uk.
Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse
Hi Sage, It looks like the same text, and has the same last updated date, as the Haskell Discourse TOS. I think it is the default text provided by Discourse for the free hosting. I don't think anyone has the time or expertise to rewrite it, but I'm sure specific items could be looked at if they are a barrier to participating. best wishes Stephen https://discourse.haskell.org/tos https://blog.discourse.org/2018/11/free-hosting-for-open-source-v2/ On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 4:24 AM Sage Gerard wrote: > Also: Apologies. That came off as rude. No offense intended. > > But I have to ask, who wrote the ToS? Who is "the company" in its > context? Discord? One of the Racket team's universities? A sponsor? > > On 11/21/21 11:20 PM, Sage Gerard wrote: > > Thanks for letting us know. When should people expect to unsubscribe? > > > > I read the ToS, privacy policy, and thoughts. Hard pass. > > > > On 11/21/21 1:09 PM, 'John Clements' via Racket Users wrote: > >> TL;DR: Go to > >> > >> https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T > >> > >> and sign up for Racket Discourse (https://racket.discourse.group/) > >> > >> # Thoughts behind the move: > >> > >> Over time, it has become steadily more apparent that email-only > >> mailing lists are an outdated communication medium for the Racket > >> community. More recent arrivals in our community have generally > >> chosen other platforms like slack or discord to carry on discussions. > >> As a result, the signal-to-noise ratio of the racket users mailing list > >> has dropped below the level of viability. > >> > >> In short, it’s time to give up on the mailing list. > >> > >> After a good deal of research, it looks like there’s room for a whole > >> bunch of discussion platforms for Racket, but it also seems as though > >> there should be a “permanent” one; it should be archived, it should be > >> searchable in its entirety, and it should not tie us to someone else’s > >> plan to monetize user data. > >> > >> Given these criteria, the winner is Discourse, an open-source > >> messaging platform built by Jeff Atwood, Robin Ward, and Sam > >> Saffron. It has a reasonable business model (they host projects like > >> ours unless they get really big, whereupon you can either host it > >> yourself or pay them to do it); it’s widely used by other language > >> communities; and it appears to do most of what we want. > >> > >> # So where can I sign up? > >> > >> Sign up here: https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T > >> > >> The discourse platform has been in a “soft opening” phase for about > >> two weeks now, since RacketCon, and we have about a hundred users. > >> You’re receiving this message because we’d like to have *YOU* there > >> as well. > >> > >> # Can I still receive messages like a mailing list? > >> > >> Yes, you can. I have it enabled myself! > >> To use discord as a mailing-list: > >> Sign up, go to Preferences > Email, and tick “Enable mailing list mode'. > >> > >> Yours, > >> > >> John Clements & Stephen De Gabrielle > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "Racket Users" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > >> send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/9d080367-1b70-4818-8e76-8c6714db404c%40mtasv.net > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Racket Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/a07b931b-3a0a-0a29-0582-e899aa335130%40sagegerard.com > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/CAGHj7-%2B%3DFL%3DPLN7O2TBCSgSxcEjD8Kzjxcm1koSag4ss%2BggaNQ%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse
Many thanks for your thoughts. I appreciate that your time and inbox space is at a premium, and I’ll try to be careful about posting things to more than one forum. Best, John Clements > On Nov 21, 2021, at 22:53, Sorawee Porncharoenwase > wrote: > > My personal opinion is that, if we want Discourse to be a replacement of the > mailing list, then we should treat it like one. Right now, it’s a combination > of the mailing list, wiki, FAQ site, and whatnot. And I don’t want one more > email in my inbox when someone decides to add an entry to the FAQ. > > As concrete examples, consider: > > • > https://racket.discourse.group/t/urlang-is-javascript-with-a-sane-syntax/119 > • https://racket.discourse.group/t/gui-builder-designer/151 > I’m not sure what’s the point of these posts in the context of the mailing > list. Stephen definitely knows MrEd designer and has been promoting it for > years, so this looks like his attempt to build a wiki/FAQ on Discourse. While > I really do appreciate Stephen’s effort into building and maintaining the > valuable wiki/FAQ at https://github.com/racket/racket/wiki, I personally > don’t think a mailing list is an appropriate medium for it. Urlang is great, > but I don’t understand why we are rehashing it now on Discourse. Will we also > see 1735 more posts to rehash every package on the package website in the > future? > > Another issue is cross posting. Often posts are shared to all Slack, Discord, > Reddit, the current mailing list, and whatnot (and also in the other > direction). It makes sense to do that for event announcements. I’m not sure > the same can be said for other posts. They are inundating (at least to me), > especially if they happen a lot. > > I understand that there's a spam problem on the current mailing list and in > fact have been complaining constantly on Slack. I actually even proposed to > Sam last year to consider Discourse as a replacement of the mailing list, so > I'm not against the software at all if that's what you worry about. > > To be clear, no offense to anyone at all. It could be that my expectation of > the mailing list is far off from most people, and if that’s the case, I’d > simply excuse myself from it. > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 3:42 PM Philip McGrath > wrote: > I've long been in the basically-content-with-the-mailing-list camp, but I've > recently come around to the view that the status quo is untenable. I looked > into it after Racket 'Con and discovered the mailing list had shrunk > especially much for me, because the Google Groups spam filters were letting > through so much spam that Google spam filters on one hop of my receiving side > have been classifying a great deal of legitimate mailing list traffic as spam. > > I haven't done much with Discourse yet, but it seems promising, and I hope it > works out. > > I'd guess the list administrators have tried this already, but, just in case, > the Google Group settings should have a "Spam message handling" setting that > could be set to "Moderate without notifying content moderators" (see > https://support.google.com/groups/answer/2464926?hl=en#posting=%2Csettings-reference%2Cadvanced-settings-reference). > If this is the official moment for giving up on this mailing list, it would > probably be good to turn up these settings to some draconian level anyway, > just to leave one fewer spam target on the internet. > > -Philip > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 6:08 PM 'John Clements' via Racket Users > wrote: > Wait, you think that’s high traffic? Gee whiz, the mailing list *has* shrunk, > hasn’t it? > > Okay, that was not an entirely serious reply, but I do think that in contrast > to the discord & slack channels, the discourse is likely to be searchable and > at least lightly curated six months from now. Also, if you take a look at the > mailing list archive > > https://www.mail-archive.com/racket-users@googlegroups.com/ > > … you’ll see a *shocking* amount of spam. Many of us don’t see this because > we have semi-reasonable spam filters, but others are putting up with what > looks like more than 50% spam on this list. That’s just not acceptable. > > John > > > > On Nov 21, 2021, at 14:14, Sorawee Porncharoenwase > > wrote: > > > > I could be in the minority here, but as an early proponent of Discourse to > > replace the mailing list (even before RacketCon), I feel reluctant to join > > it after observing it for a while. It has a very high traffic, with almost > > 100% of the contents being cross-posted everywhere else (and vice versa) > > anyway. > > > > While I appreciate any efforts into promoting the site, I do think > > different content has different appropriate mediums. For example, FAQs > > probably should go to the wiki. There's no need to clutter anyone's inbox > > for this type of content. > > > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 10:09 AM 'John Clements' via Racket Users > > wrote: > > TL;DR: Go to > >
Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse
Also: Apologies. That came off as rude. No offense intended. But I have to ask, who wrote the ToS? Who is "the company" in its context? Discord? One of the Racket team's universities? A sponsor? On 11/21/21 11:20 PM, Sage Gerard wrote: > Thanks for letting us know. When should people expect to unsubscribe? > > I read the ToS, privacy policy, and thoughts. Hard pass. > > On 11/21/21 1:09 PM, 'John Clements' via Racket Users wrote: >> TL;DR: Go to >> >> https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T >> >> and sign up for Racket Discourse (https://racket.discourse.group/) >> >> # Thoughts behind the move: >> >> Over time, it has become steadily more apparent that email-only >> mailing lists are an outdated communication medium for the Racket >> community. More recent arrivals in our community have generally >> chosen other platforms like slack or discord to carry on discussions. >> As a result, the signal-to-noise ratio of the racket users mailing list >> has dropped below the level of viability. >> >> In short, it’s time to give up on the mailing list. >> >> After a good deal of research, it looks like there’s room for a whole >> bunch of discussion platforms for Racket, but it also seems as though >> there should be a “permanent” one; it should be archived, it should be >> searchable in its entirety, and it should not tie us to someone else’s >> plan to monetize user data. >> >> Given these criteria, the winner is Discourse, an open-source >> messaging platform built by Jeff Atwood, Robin Ward, and Sam >> Saffron. It has a reasonable business model (they host projects like >> ours unless they get really big, whereupon you can either host it >> yourself or pay them to do it); it’s widely used by other language >> communities; and it appears to do most of what we want. >> >> # So where can I sign up? >> >> Sign up here: https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T >> >> The discourse platform has been in a “soft opening” phase for about >> two weeks now, since RacketCon, and we have about a hundred users. >> You’re receiving this message because we’d like to have *YOU* there >> as well. >> >> # Can I still receive messages like a mailing list? >> >> Yes, you can. I have it enabled myself! >> To use discord as a mailing-list: >> Sign up, go to Preferences > Email, and tick “Enable mailing list mode'. >> >> Yours, >> >> John Clements & Stephen De Gabrielle >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Racket Users" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/9d080367-1b70-4818-8e76-8c6714db404c%40mtasv.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/a07b931b-3a0a-0a29-0582-e899aa335130%40sagegerard.com.
Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse
Thanks for letting us know. When should people expect to unsubscribe? I read the ToS, privacy policy, and thoughts. Hard pass. On 11/21/21 1:09 PM, 'John Clements' via Racket Users wrote: > TL;DR: Go to > > https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T > > and sign up for Racket Discourse (https://racket.discourse.group/) > > # Thoughts behind the move: > > Over time, it has become steadily more apparent that email-only > mailing lists are an outdated communication medium for the Racket > community. More recent arrivals in our community have generally > chosen other platforms like slack or discord to carry on discussions. > As a result, the signal-to-noise ratio of the racket users mailing list > has dropped below the level of viability. > > In short, it’s time to give up on the mailing list. > > After a good deal of research, it looks like there’s room for a whole > bunch of discussion platforms for Racket, but it also seems as though > there should be a “permanent” one; it should be archived, it should be > searchable in its entirety, and it should not tie us to someone else’s > plan to monetize user data. > > Given these criteria, the winner is Discourse, an open-source > messaging platform built by Jeff Atwood, Robin Ward, and Sam > Saffron. It has a reasonable business model (they host projects like > ours unless they get really big, whereupon you can either host it > yourself or pay them to do it); it’s widely used by other language > communities; and it appears to do most of what we want. > > # So where can I sign up? > > Sign up here: https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T > > The discourse platform has been in a “soft opening” phase for about > two weeks now, since RacketCon, and we have about a hundred users. > You’re receiving this message because we’d like to have *YOU* there > as well. > > # Can I still receive messages like a mailing list? > > Yes, you can. I have it enabled myself! > To use discord as a mailing-list: > Sign up, go to Preferences > Email, and tick “Enable mailing list mode'. > > Yours, > > John Clements & Stephen De Gabrielle > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Racket Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/9d080367-1b70-4818-8e76-8c6714db404c%40mtasv.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/201d1330-eee7-d440-efc1-8193d2089f8e%40sagegerard.com.
Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse
My personal opinion is that, if we want Discourse to be a replacement of the mailing list, then we should treat it like one. Right now, it’s a combination of the mailing list, wiki, FAQ site, and whatnot. And I don’t want one more email in my inbox when someone decides to add an entry to the FAQ. As concrete examples, consider: - https://racket.discourse.group/t/urlang-is-javascript-with-a-sane-syntax/119 - https://racket.discourse.group/t/gui-builder-designer/151 I’m not sure what’s the point of these posts *in the context of the mailing list*. Stephen definitely knows MrEd designer and has been promoting it for years, so this looks like his attempt to build a wiki/FAQ on Discourse. While I really do appreciate Stephen’s effort into building and maintaining the valuable wiki/FAQ at https://github.com/racket/racket/wiki, I personally don’t think a mailing list is an appropriate medium for it. Urlang is great, but I don’t understand why we are rehashing it now on Discourse. Will we also see 1735 more posts to rehash every package on the package website in the future? Another issue is cross posting. Often posts are shared to all Slack, Discord, Reddit, the current mailing list, and whatnot (and also in the other direction). It makes sense to do that for event announcements. I’m not sure the same can be said for other posts. They are inundating (at least to me), especially if they happen a lot. I understand that there's a spam problem on the current mailing list and in fact have been complaining constantly on Slack. I actually even proposed to Sam last year to consider Discourse as a replacement of the mailing list, so I'm not against the software at all if that's what you worry about. To be clear, no offense to anyone at all. It could be that my expectation of the mailing list is far off from most people, and if that’s the case, I’d simply excuse myself from it. On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 3:42 PM Philip McGrath wrote: > I've long been in the basically-content-with-the-mailing-list camp, but > I've recently come around to the view that the status quo is untenable. I > looked into it after Racket 'Con and discovered the mailing list had shrunk > especially much for me, because the Google Groups spam filters were letting > through so much spam that Google spam filters on one hop of my receiving > side have been classifying a great deal of legitimate mailing list traffic > as spam. > > I haven't done much with Discourse yet, but it seems promising, and I hope > it works out. > > I'd guess the list administrators have tried this already, but, just in > case, the Google Group settings should have a "Spam message handling" > setting that could be set to "Moderate without notifying content > moderators" (see > https://support.google.com/groups/answer/2464926?hl=en#posting=%2Csettings-reference%2Cadvanced-settings-reference). > If this is the official moment for giving up on this mailing list, it would > probably be good to turn up these settings to some draconian level anyway, > just to leave one fewer spam target on the internet. > > -Philip > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 6:08 PM 'John Clements' via Racket Users < > racket-users@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> Wait, you think that’s high traffic? Gee whiz, the mailing list *has* >> shrunk, hasn’t it? >> >> Okay, that was not an entirely serious reply, but I do think that in >> contrast to the discord & slack channels, the discourse is likely to be >> searchable and at least lightly curated six months from now. Also, if you >> take a look at the mailing list archive >> >> https://www.mail-archive.com/racket-users@googlegroups.com/ >> >> … you’ll see a *shocking* amount of spam. Many of us don’t see this >> because we have semi-reasonable spam filters, but others are putting up >> with what looks like more than 50% spam on this list. That’s just not >> acceptable. >> >> John >> >> >> > On Nov 21, 2021, at 14:14, Sorawee Porncharoenwase < >> sorawee.pw...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > I could be in the minority here, but as an early proponent of Discourse >> to replace the mailing list (even before RacketCon), I feel reluctant to >> join it after observing it for a while. It has a very high traffic, with >> almost 100% of the contents being cross-posted everywhere else (and vice >> versa) anyway. >> > >> > While I appreciate any efforts into promoting the site, I do think >> different content has different appropriate mediums. For example, FAQs >> probably should go to the wiki. There's no need to clutter anyone's inbox >> for this type of content. >> > >> > On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 10:09 AM 'John Clements' via Racket Users < >> racket-users@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> > TL;DR: Go to >> > >> >https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T >> > >> > and sign up for Racket Discourse (https://racket.discourse.group/) >> > >> > # Thoughts behind the move: >> > >> > Over time, it has become steadily more apparent that email-only >> > mailing lists are an
Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse
I've long been in the basically-content-with-the-mailing-list camp, but I've recently come around to the view that the status quo is untenable. I looked into it after Racket 'Con and discovered the mailing list had shrunk especially much for me, because the Google Groups spam filters were letting through so much spam that Google spam filters on one hop of my receiving side have been classifying a great deal of legitimate mailing list traffic as spam. I haven't done much with Discourse yet, but it seems promising, and I hope it works out. I'd guess the list administrators have tried this already, but, just in case, the Google Group settings should have a "Spam message handling" setting that could be set to "Moderate without notifying content moderators" (see https://support.google.com/groups/answer/2464926?hl=en#posting=%2Csettings-reference%2Cadvanced-settings-reference). If this is the official moment for giving up on this mailing list, it would probably be good to turn up these settings to some draconian level anyway, just to leave one fewer spam target on the internet. -Philip On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 6:08 PM 'John Clements' via Racket Users < racket-users@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Wait, you think that’s high traffic? Gee whiz, the mailing list *has* > shrunk, hasn’t it? > > Okay, that was not an entirely serious reply, but I do think that in > contrast to the discord & slack channels, the discourse is likely to be > searchable and at least lightly curated six months from now. Also, if you > take a look at the mailing list archive > > https://www.mail-archive.com/racket-users@googlegroups.com/ > > … you’ll see a *shocking* amount of spam. Many of us don’t see this > because we have semi-reasonable spam filters, but others are putting up > with what looks like more than 50% spam on this list. That’s just not > acceptable. > > John > > > > On Nov 21, 2021, at 14:14, Sorawee Porncharoenwase < > sorawee.pw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I could be in the minority here, but as an early proponent of Discourse > to replace the mailing list (even before RacketCon), I feel reluctant to > join it after observing it for a while. It has a very high traffic, with > almost 100% of the contents being cross-posted everywhere else (and vice > versa) anyway. > > > > While I appreciate any efforts into promoting the site, I do think > different content has different appropriate mediums. For example, FAQs > probably should go to the wiki. There's no need to clutter anyone's inbox > for this type of content. > > > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 10:09 AM 'John Clements' via Racket Users < > racket-users@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > TL;DR: Go to > > > >https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T > > > > and sign up for Racket Discourse (https://racket.discourse.group/) > > > > # Thoughts behind the move: > > > > Over time, it has become steadily more apparent that email-only > > mailing lists are an outdated communication medium for the Racket > > community. More recent arrivals in our community have generally > > chosen other platforms like slack or discord to carry on discussions. > > As a result, the signal-to-noise ratio of the racket users mailing list > > has dropped below the level of viability. > > > > In short, it’s time to give up on the mailing list. > > > > After a good deal of research, it looks like there’s room for a whole > > bunch of discussion platforms for Racket, but it also seems as though > > there should be a “permanent” one; it should be archived, it should be > > searchable in its entirety, and it should not tie us to someone else’s > > plan to monetize user data. > > > > Given these criteria, the winner is Discourse, an open-source > > messaging platform built by Jeff Atwood, Robin Ward, and Sam > > Saffron. It has a reasonable business model (they host projects like > > ours unless they get really big, whereupon you can either host it > > yourself or pay them to do it); it’s widely used by other language > > communities; and it appears to do most of what we want. > > > > # So where can I sign up? > > > > Sign up here: https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T > > > > The discourse platform has been in a “soft opening” phase for about > > two weeks now, since RacketCon, and we have about a hundred users. > > You’re receiving this message because we’d like to have *YOU* there > > as well. > > > > # Can I still receive messages like a mailing list? > > > > Yes, you can. I have it enabled myself! > > To use discord as a mailing-list: > > Sign up, go to Preferences > Email, and tick “Enable mailing list mode'. > > > > Yours, > > > > John Clements & Stephen De Gabrielle > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Racket Users" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit >
Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse
Wait, you think that’s high traffic? Gee whiz, the mailing list *has* shrunk, hasn’t it? Okay, that was not an entirely serious reply, but I do think that in contrast to the discord & slack channels, the discourse is likely to be searchable and at least lightly curated six months from now. Also, if you take a look at the mailing list archive https://www.mail-archive.com/racket-users@googlegroups.com/ … you’ll see a *shocking* amount of spam. Many of us don’t see this because we have semi-reasonable spam filters, but others are putting up with what looks like more than 50% spam on this list. That’s just not acceptable. John > On Nov 21, 2021, at 14:14, Sorawee Porncharoenwase > wrote: > > I could be in the minority here, but as an early proponent of Discourse to > replace the mailing list (even before RacketCon), I feel reluctant to join it > after observing it for a while. It has a very high traffic, with almost 100% > of the contents being cross-posted everywhere else (and vice versa) anyway. > > While I appreciate any efforts into promoting the site, I do think different > content has different appropriate mediums. For example, FAQs probably should > go to the wiki. There's no need to clutter anyone's inbox for this type of > content. > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 10:09 AM 'John Clements' via Racket Users > wrote: > TL;DR: Go to > >https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T > > and sign up for Racket Discourse (https://racket.discourse.group/) > > # Thoughts behind the move: > > Over time, it has become steadily more apparent that email-only > mailing lists are an outdated communication medium for the Racket > community. More recent arrivals in our community have generally > chosen other platforms like slack or discord to carry on discussions. > As a result, the signal-to-noise ratio of the racket users mailing list > has dropped below the level of viability. > > In short, it’s time to give up on the mailing list. > > After a good deal of research, it looks like there’s room for a whole > bunch of discussion platforms for Racket, but it also seems as though > there should be a “permanent” one; it should be archived, it should be > searchable in its entirety, and it should not tie us to someone else’s > plan to monetize user data. > > Given these criteria, the winner is Discourse, an open-source > messaging platform built by Jeff Atwood, Robin Ward, and Sam > Saffron. It has a reasonable business model (they host projects like > ours unless they get really big, whereupon you can either host it > yourself or pay them to do it); it’s widely used by other language > communities; and it appears to do most of what we want. > > # So where can I sign up? > > Sign up here: https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T > > The discourse platform has been in a “soft opening” phase for about > two weeks now, since RacketCon, and we have about a hundred users. > You’re receiving this message because we’d like to have *YOU* there > as well. > > # Can I still receive messages like a mailing list? > > Yes, you can. I have it enabled myself! > To use discord as a mailing-list: > Sign up, go to Preferences > Email, and tick “Enable mailing list mode'. > > Yours, > > John Clements & Stephen De Gabrielle > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Racket Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/9d080367-1b70-4818-8e76-8c6714db404c%40mtasv.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/4b85e73f-4233-4b77-8d06-96b4afdebc24%40mtasv.net.
Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse
I could be in the minority here, but as an early proponent of Discourse to replace the mailing list (even before RacketCon), I feel reluctant to join it after observing it for a while. It has a very high traffic, with almost 100% of the contents being cross-posted everywhere else (and vice versa) anyway. While I appreciate any efforts into promoting the site, I do think different content has different appropriate mediums. For example, FAQs probably should go to the wiki. There's no need to clutter anyone's inbox for this type of content. On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 10:09 AM 'John Clements' via Racket Users < racket-users@googlegroups.com> wrote: > TL;DR: Go to > >https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T > > and sign up for Racket Discourse (https://racket.discourse.group/) > > # Thoughts behind the move: > > Over time, it has become steadily more apparent that email-only > mailing lists are an outdated communication medium for the Racket > community. More recent arrivals in our community have generally > chosen other platforms like slack or discord to carry on discussions. > As a result, the signal-to-noise ratio of the racket users mailing list > has dropped below the level of viability. > > In short, it’s time to give up on the mailing list. > > After a good deal of research, it looks like there’s room for a whole > bunch of discussion platforms for Racket, but it also seems as though > there should be a “permanent” one; it should be archived, it should be > searchable in its entirety, and it should not tie us to someone else’s > plan to monetize user data. > > Given these criteria, the winner is Discourse, an open-source > messaging platform built by Jeff Atwood, Robin Ward, and Sam > Saffron. It has a reasonable business model (they host projects like > ours unless they get really big, whereupon you can either host it > yourself or pay them to do it); it’s widely used by other language > communities; and it appears to do most of what we want. > > # So where can I sign up? > > Sign up here: https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T > > The discourse platform has been in a “soft opening” phase for about > two weeks now, since RacketCon, and we have about a hundred users. > You’re receiving this message because we’d like to have *YOU* there > as well. > > # Can I still receive messages like a mailing list? > > Yes, you can. I have it enabled myself! > To use discord as a mailing-list: > Sign up, go to Preferences > Email, and tick “Enable mailing list mode'. > > Yours, > > John Clements & Stephen De Gabrielle > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Racket Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/9d080367-1b70-4818-8e76-8c6714db404c%40mtasv.net > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/CADcuegvmrZ%3DeoQPm-kuaow%2BAz9TnDUop2aypSWh6-HrZ3E_hGg%40mail.gmail.com.
