Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

2011-04-12 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
11.04.2011 22:20, Weinheimer Jim: As one of those veteran catalogers, I honestly do not see how the changes in RDA have a lot of potential. If the test records are anything to go by, then indeed. And what else are we to go by if that's what we're gonna get? That stuff barely scratches the

Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

2011-04-12 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Myers, John F. wrote: snip One could argue interminably the pros and cons of abbreviating or not. I can see merits to both sides, as well as to native language representation of missing date issue. (That is, the replacement of [s.l.] with [place of publication not identified], where [s.l.]

Re: [RDA-L] Documentation for transition

2011-04-12 Thread Aaron Smith
Gracious thanks to Chris for this fine description and elucidation of the transition process at U-C. This documentation gives us a solid experiential framework for our transition here, and prompts us to steps we may have omitted. Your investment has indeed lowered implementation costs for others

Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

2011-04-12 Thread Karen Coyle
Quoting Bernhard Eversberg e...@biblio.tu-bs.de: Is the part-whole relationship, for example, even being considered? It wasn't under AACR2 although it would have been possible. Bernard, I'm not sure what you mean by even being considered (by whom?) but FRBR and RDA do define all of the

Re: [RDA-L] archival cataloging and DACS

2011-04-12 Thread Corey A Harper
Hi Elaine, Not sure if this answers your question or not, but SAA is currently involved in a review process of DACS, and I'm fairly certain that it is being informed by RDA. The review is being carried out by a Technical Subcommittee on DACS [1], and their public call for comments on the

Re: [RDA-L] archival cataloging and DACS

2011-04-12 Thread Sanchez, Elaine R
Hi, Corey, That is perfect! Thanks for sending me the info and the links. This is exactly what this person needs to keep up with! Very appreciatively, Elaine Elaine sanchez Texas State University-San Marcos 512-245-3005 e...@txstate.edu -Original Message- From: Corey A Harper

Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

2011-04-12 Thread Kevin M. Randall
James Weinheimer wrote: I don't think I am missing the point of RDA, and the abbreviations are a great example. Do we really believe that a simple rule change will solve whatever problems the public supposedly has with abbreviations in the catalog? Sorry, but I find that very naive. Did you

Re: [RDA-L] archival cataloging and DACS

2011-04-12 Thread Manon Theroux
Just a quick clarification: The Manuscripts Working Group is affiliated not with the Society of American Archivists (SAA) but with the Bibliographic Standards Committee of the Rare Books and Manuscripts Section of the Association of College and Research Libraries of the American Library

Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

2011-04-12 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Kevin M. Randall wrote: snip James Weinheimer wrote: I don't think I am missing the point of RDA, and the abbreviations are a great example. Do we really believe that a simple rule change will solve whatever problems the public supposedly has with abbreviations in the catalog? Sorry, but I

[RDA-L] Cataloging Matters Podcast no. 9: Standards, Perfection, and Good Enough

2011-04-12 Thread Weinheimer Jim
All, For those who are interested, I have just placed another of my podcasts on my blog: this one a discussion of good enough means in relation to library cataloging. http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/2011/04/cataloging-matters-podcast-no-9.html Please forward this to any others who may

Re: [RDA-L] archival cataloging and DACS

2011-04-12 Thread Ducharme, Diane
Just a few corrections to the message below. First, the deadline for public comments on DACS is April 30 (a full timetable is on the SAA website, at http://www.archivists.org/standards/dacs/dacsRevisions.asp ). Second, the Manuscripts Working Group's review of DACS has not yet been approved by

Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

2011-04-12 Thread Deborah Tomares
I would be curious to see links to evidence-based papers from rigorous research studies that prove that patrons want FRBR/WEMI in searching, retrieval, etc. I've found nothing on the IFLA website, where I would have thought they would reside. All papers there (http://www.ifla.org/en/node/881) seem

Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

2011-04-12 Thread Karen Coyle
Have you tried plugging frbr user studies into google? I have been particularly impressed by these studies done by Maj Zumer: http://www.ff.uni-lj.si/oddelki/biblio/oddelek/osebje/dokumenti/pisanskizumer1a.pdf http://www.ff.uni-lj.si/oddelki/biblio/oddelek/osebje/dokumenti/pisanskizumer2a.pdf

Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

2011-04-12 Thread Kevin M. Randall
Deborah Tomaras wrote: I would be curious to see links to evidence-based papers from rigorous research studies that prove that patrons want FRBR/WEMI in searching, retrieval, etc. I've found nothing on the IFLA website, where I would have thought they would reside. All papers there

Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

2011-04-12 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M. Randall Sent: April 12, 2011 2:10 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR ... (BTW, please don't get hung

Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

2011-04-12 Thread Adam L. Schiff
Patrons want the director's cut of a motion picture, or they don't want the colorized version of a classic bw film. They may or may not care if they will get widescreen or full screen. They want translations into English of works, and sometimes they want them by a particular translator.

Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

2011-04-12 Thread Mike Tribby
I cannot wait for the day when (assuming we do implement RDA) instead of a blank template in OCLC that we have to encode in MARC, we get a screen which prompts us to fill in values for RDA elements. Catalogers shouldn't need to know the behind the scenes coding and communication standard, we

Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

2011-04-12 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Mike Tribby Sent: April 12, 2011 3:43 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR ... That would all be great, and I

Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

2011-04-12 Thread Mark Ehlert
Brenndorfer, Thomas tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.ca wrote: Coming up this month is the first programming to add RDA element views to ILS software at the MARC tag level: http://www.rdatoolkit.org/blog/119 The software in question being Connexion Client 2.30, just announced today. -- Mark