[RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

2013-06-25 Thread Karen Nelson
I am just getting my toes wet with some RDA copy cataloguing based on LC bibs. Looking at the bib for Louise Erdrich's Round House, LCCN 2012005381. There is a 260 in this one still. I want to edit it to 264(s). So far, I have included: 264_1|aNew York, NY :|bHarper,|c[2012] or maybe

Re: [RDA-L] No date of publication, first printing

2013-06-25 Thread Dana Van Meter
Thank you for this Trina, these are very helpful and detailed. It would have taken me an eternity to get to the level of understanding that you have in your documents, the Visual version in particular, is extremely helpful. I don't mind being singled out, I singled myself out by asking the

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

2013-06-25 Thread Karen Nelson
What Dana has just posted is very helpful (great timing!) and I have just noticed that Mac answered a very similar one from me last time I was fiddling with some RDA bibs. Should've checked my saved replies, note to self. But I am still wondering about the issue of the author holding copyright

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

2013-06-25 Thread Mitchell, Michael
I just cataloged LCCN 2012007182 whose author holds the copyright and LC used your first pattern only (264_1|aNew York, NY :|bHarper,|c[2012]). Michael Mitchell Technical Services Librarian Brazosport College Lake Jackson, TX Michael.mitchell at brazosport.edu From: Resource Description and

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

2013-06-25 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Karen Nelson posted: There is a 260 in this one still. I want to edit it to 264(s). So far, I ha= ve included: 264_1|aNew York, NY :|bHarper,|c[2012] or maybe [2012?] 264_4 |ccopyright 2012 Yes, certainly the 260 should be changed to 264. Perhaps this was a test record? We would not use

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

2013-06-25 Thread M. E.
Karen Nelson knel...@capilanou.ca wrote: But I am still wondering about the issue of the author holding copyright … does her name go in the second 264, if a second one is kept? Haven’t seen it done so far. The 264 field dedicated to copyright is for the date alone--that's it. So all you'll

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

2013-06-25 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
According to RDA 2.11 Copyright date, record date associated with a claim of protection under copyright or a similar regime. RDA says nothing about recording who actually holds the copyright, so, no, you wouldn't do that. Also you can use either copyright or (c). On a Windows machine, a quick

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

2013-06-25 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
Should have said: hold down the ALT key and type 0169 on the number pad . Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

2013-06-25 Thread Karen Nelson
Thanks, everyone! I'll get there eventually... I hope. I'm so glad our administrator agreed to fork out for the print version of RDA. I get so embroiled in ToolKit, even with all those online tutorials! Somehow, I still just love stuff on an actual PAGE. Call me a Luddite. kn From: Resource

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

2013-06-25 Thread Adam L. Schiff
No, the element is just copyright date. Only a date (preceded by (c) or (p) is recorded in 264 _4 $c. ^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 Seattle, WA 98195-2900 (206) 543-8409 (206) 685-8782 fax

Re: [RDA-L] Can Lecturer be used as a valid relator term and do you have a good example of a DVD + Book RDA record?

2013-06-25 Thread M. E.
Dana Van Meter vanme...@ias.edu wrote: 1. Are we allowed to use, then, the more specific terms indented underneath the relationship designator performer (which is in bold), or are we to use performer only, to cover all those types of situations represented by the more specific indented not

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

2013-06-25 Thread Karen Nelson
So, I get this bit now. But here's another question, can't find any clues in the resources so far. On t.p. verso of a title for which I have an RDA bib: the US and Canadian publication information. I know I do not have to include the latter, but in a Canadian university library, I still want

Re: [RDA-L] Can Lecturer be used as a valid relator term and do you have a good example of a DVD + Book RDA record?

2013-06-25 Thread Dana Van Meter
Thank you Mark. I did re-read Appendix I.1 after I had already sent my question and realized that yes, it does say that you can use the more specific terms. Wish I had realized that before I sent my question! In the case of the $4 code, you're saying you would use just the $4 code, right?

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

2013-06-25 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
Karen, You are correct. MARC field 264 is repeatable for successive publication statements (e.g., for a serial or integrating resource). For a book published simultaneously in two countries, or jointly by two publishers, it works just like the MARC 260. See:

Re: [RDA-L] Can Lecturer be used as a valid relator term and do you have a good example of a DVD + Book RDA record?

2013-06-25 Thread M. E.
Dana Van Meter vanme...@ias.edu wrote: In the case of the $4 code, you’re saying you would use just the $4 code, right? (And not a combination of $4 plus $e using the terminology accompanying the code in the MARC Code List for Relators?). I don’t have a problem with using just the $4 code, I

Re: [RDA-L] Can Lecturer be used as a valid relator term and do you have a good example of a DVD + Book RDA record?

2013-06-25 Thread Adam L. Schiff
For what it's worth, PCC guidelines say to use the terms, not the codes. Adam Schiff ^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 Seattle, WA 98195-2900 (206) 543-8409 (206) 685-8782 fax asch...@u.washington.edu

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

2013-06-25 Thread Karen Nelson
Many thanks! KN From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Benjamin A Abrahamse Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:43 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query Karen, You are

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2013-06-25 Thread Lynn Burg
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Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

2013-06-25 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Karen Nelson posted: 264_1$aNew York, NY :$bRandom House, Inc. ;$aToronto :$bRandom House of Can= ada Limited,|c[2012] We think one 264 works best. We would have onl one 264 with the same indicator(s). However, come Bibframe as now conceived, if the two publishers assign different ISBNs, you

Re: [RDA-L] Jurisdiction in imprint

2013-06-25 Thread J. McRee Elrod
I said: It's easier to always transcribe or add jurisdiction than to ponder, as well as making the record more helpful internationally. In addition to the advantage of transcribing or supplying jurisdiction in a form patrons can read, we do not know (do we?) that Bibframe will have an equivalent