confusing for a coffee-table book. Not to mention that
unless there is only 1 photograph per page, i can't imagine us counting
the photos.
Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
On 8/15/2013 8:03 AM, Lapka, Francis wrote:
Heidrun,
I think you raise excellent questions. Your message
any reason why a cataloger coming to RDA without that background
would come to that conclusion.
Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
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Subject: Re
that that date is inaccurate
(or a date of an HTML document saying Posted June 3, 2013), why would i
assume that that date is *not* the publication date? Any more than i would
assume that First printing, August 2012 is not a publication date?
Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
Why would this be an exception to the P-N practice? I don't see it addressed
there as an exception. It seems to me that we have here two BIBCO instructions
that are in conflict (if you're not doing PCC cataloging, then its not an
issue).
Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
For a further wrinkle, I would also suggest to all that the next time you watch
a movie, look at the credits and try to ascertain what the first statement is.
And for extra credit, you can then figure out which of those are identifying
creators of the intellectual or artistic content
Greta de
not appropriate. One can propose new designations, but
we have not been able to think of a brief term in common usage that
describes that relationship. So for proceedings, we are generally not
using a $e.
Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
On 5/3/2013 10:15 AM, Robert Maxwell wrote
I've been using 13 mm, but it would be very helpful to have an example.
Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
On 4/9/2013 1:34 PM, Kelley McGrath wrote:
Actually if you look at videocassettes under 3.5.1.4.3, it says to use mm. I
missed this at first, too, but I guess you would use 127
guessed. So a copy cataloger coming
upon the record doesn't know whether the piece actually has a date on it
or not, making it more challenging to decide if they have the right record.
Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
On 3/28/2013 11:15 AM, Snow, Karen wrote:
Steven Arakawa wrote
credits at the end, but nothing that looks like an overall statement naming a
creator whatever that is in the context of a video game.
Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
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On 2/4/2013 5:51 AM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller wrote:
Greta de Groat wrote:
In addition, these (plus CD-ROMs and Blu-rays) had the problem of
being applicable to multiple content types--they could be video or
data or electronic text or a video game. So 1 Blu-ray might be a
video
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I will add one thing to Greta's very clear explanation.
While
in the Extent element but it's not
clear how that relates to 3.3.
We also ran into problems with a book that consisted almost entirely of
stereographic images, but volume isn't listed under stereographic
carriers so we weren't sure we could use 337 stereographic with 338 volume.
Greta de Groat
Stanford
go to the URL and retrieve the thing
yourself rather than going to get a piece of equipment that the online
thing has already been downloaded on.
Greta
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Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
On 5/14/2012 11:03 AM, Adam L. Schiff wrote:
I
by online, i.e. you go to the
URL and retrieve the thing yourself rather than going to get a piece
of equipment that the online thing has already been downloaded on.
Greta
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Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
On 5/14/2012 11:03 AM, Adam L. Schiff
But in Appendix I listing the relationship designators, I.4.2 is Relationship
Designators for Publishers, but the only term under it is broadcaster. Can
we use publisher as a relationship designator? If so, why isn't it on the
list?
Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
Authority Control Librarian
Penn State University
jx...@psu.edu
On 12/15/2010 12:39 PM, Greta de Groat wrote:
But in Appendix I listing the relationship designators, I.4.2 is
Relationship Designators for Publishers, but the only term under it is
broadcaster. Can
...
If 337 is $aunmedicated, with no other $amedia type term. delete
336-338.
hmmm, are RDA records on something?
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greta de groat
Stanford University Libraries
the release to see if this is any
clearer.
Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
Former OLAC Liaison to CC:DA
J. McRee Elrod wrote:
Just as a knowledge of yee olde unit card helps one understand AACR2,
a knowledge of AACR2 helps one understand RDA. How library school
students coming to RDA
provider-specific records? So if not
qualifying the series by (online) is part of the provider-neutral
policy, why would you have any motivation for not following the policy
since OCLC will change your record anyway, whether or not you are a PCC
library?
greta de groat
Stanford University
communities are
actively working on or preparing to work on this?
thanks
greta de groat
Stanford University Libraries
as easy as for text. But the transcription issue is way more difficult
and time consuming for text as well, so it still might be a gain in time an
accuracy (the folks on the JSC have obviously never tried to transcribe film
credits!)
greta de groat
Stanford University Libraries
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have a hard time
imagining its practical value, at least in bibliographical terms.
greta de groat
Stanford University Libraries
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London after
Midnight, or the reconstruction of the destroyed and never released 1937 film
Bezhin lug. I believe there is also either a book or video reconstruction in
the works for the 1917 Theda Bara film Cleopatra, of which only a few seconds
of film survive.
greta de groat
Stanford
with the present MARC structure. Has anybody heard
what fields MARBI is looking at adding to be RDA compatable? I haven't
heard anything about this for months. I thought it was supposed to be
happening at Annual but apparently it got tabled until Midwinter.
greta de groat
Stanford University
be able to easily read our data and we'll be
left out.
Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
Robert Maxwell wrote:
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write to rectify this problem?
Later,
kt
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Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
Hi Martha,
Thanks for posting your comments. Since i wasn't on the task force and
wasn't going to ALA (as well as being overwhelmed by work stuff) this
has been flying under my radar, so i appreciate your alerting us all to
what sound like major problems with this. Since you're going to be
to be
... ok, i'm not going to use the terminology i'm actually thinking, but
i'll rephrase and say that it seems fundamentally flawed.
greta de groat
Stanford University Libraries
Hi Jenn,
Yes, if a work is so abstract that it doesn't have attributes to
distinguish it from another work, then ... hmm, i'm not quite sure what
to think. That's the problem that the film community is having with
this. If mainstream RDA interpretation is that a film has no creators
and RDA
Ok, as absurd as i find the argument that the actors in a motion
picture are expression level, doubtless you find it logical. And that
argues for Diane and Karen's points about letting different
communities find their own definitions. So moving image people will
be able to consider Joseph
have addressed that to Greta de Groat. You did not make the
statement about actors being a characteristic of the work rather than the
expression. I apologize for the confusion, although I would still like
an answer from someone.
I certainly agree with what you say about the adaptation in making
If i understand Martha's scenarios, i think that there is an original
aspect ratio (just like there is an original language), and that
belongs with the work, while any deviation from that becomes a
characteristic of the expression. However, i think its possible that
there could be some of these
films. She contemplates the idea of work
records for these, then goes home and slits her wrists.
cheers
Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
Yes, Diane, thanks for posting these! They are very helpful.
I do have a couple of questions.
On Scenario 2, Jane creates the work description (based on an ONYX
record) for the work, creates work records for the individual part,
creates expression record for each work, then uses the ONYX
Somehow this reminds me of all the effort that's been put into closing
death dates on authority record (though it was irrelevant for our
purpose of distinguishing names) because it bothered people seeing the
open dates.
Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
Quoting D. Brooking [EMAIL
in question (a large
percentage of the questions my assistant asks are about
capitalization, so it seems something we spend an inordinate amount of
time on for little benefit that i see)
Greta de Groat
Stanford University Libraries
Quoting Martha Yee [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Our current methods
it doesn't fit.
greta de groat
Stanford University Libraries.
Adam L. Schiff wrote:
Tables of contents and cover images may be available for major commercial
publishers from North America and western Europe. If we can provide them
(at a cost less than it costs to transcribe them in records
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