Re: [RDA-L] Abridging statement of responsibility

2013-05-12 Thread James Agenbroad
Dear Judy, Since retiring in 2003 I have not been closely following discussions of RDA. It seems to me that in some cases first statement of responsibility will be difficult or impossible to ascertain. I do not think it is far-fetched it imagine: 1. A bilingual text with one right-to-left

Re: [RDA-L] [rules] [ccda] RE: RE: General comments from the ALA response to the RDA ...

2009-02-11 Thread James Agenbroad
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 Concerning romanization and transliteration: 1. Romanization is narrower in terms of the target script into which one converts--it applies to changes to roman script only. 2. Transliteration is narrower in terms of the source script from which one

Re: [RDA-L] What they are looking for

2008-10-27 Thread James Agenbroad
Monday, October 27, 2008 Dear Mac, I totally applaud your last sentence. A catalog is of a collection or its not a catalog. Well there are union catalog but aside from thelm. Regards, Jim Agenbroad In a message dated 10/24/2008 10:44:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

Re: [RDA-L] Articles by Martha M. Yee

2008-07-02 Thread James Agenbroad
Tuesday, July 2, 2008 Dear Martha, I think I congratulated you when I first learned of your M.Mann award. I'll just add I think that one of the benefits is that it raises the credibility ov everything you say or write in the profession. Keep it up! Regards, Jim

Re: Where effort is needed

2008-02-09 Thread James Agenbroad
Saturday, February 9, 2008 If those working on RDA seek another topic for their energym I suggest that standardizing filing rules for OPACs would be appropriate. It would simplify matters for both users (one set of fining rules to learn) and vendors (one set of rules to implement).

Re: Recently released RDA chapter drafts

2007-12-20 Thread James Agenbroad
Thursday, December 20, 2007 Dear Mac, I'm surprised that as living in the west you didn't mention Portland Oregon too. On a little more serious note, I'm overwhelmed by the volume of the new draft sections of RDA. It's more pages than I'd want to copy. In your reading did you

Re: RDA article in _Feliciter_

2007-10-13 Thread James Agenbroad
Saturday, October 13, 2007 Dear Mac, I've been away for a week. I will read the Feliciter and Amer.Libs. RDA articles. I liked your comment. I syspect Am.Libs. won't print the Gorman and Yee articles as they might erode sales of RDA of which ALA is one publisher. (In other words point

Re: RDA its own bad self

2007-10-13 Thread James Agenbroad
Saturday, Ocotber 13, 2007 In order to avoid throwing out the baby with the bathwater one must first agree on what are the essentials that should be retained and what are outdated matters that should be discarded. I sense that the agreement is lacking. While new media are all about us the

Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues

2007-10-04 Thread James Agenbroad
Thursday, September 4, 2005 Wide electronic distribution of the list/index of free floating LCSH subdivisions with instructions would also be helpful IMHO. But subject access--LCSH, LCC, Dewey decimal, Bliss, Cutter, UDC, etc.--though worthy topics may all be beyond the current scope of the

Re: linking word element needed

2007-06-29 Thread James Agenbroad
Friday, June 29, 2007 At present AACRE defines: 1. Parallel title. The title proper in another language and/or script. and 2. Alternative title. The second part of a title proper that consists of two parts, each part of which is a title; the parts are joined by or or its equivalent in

Arabic Script, AACR and RDA

2007-06-07 Thread James Agenbroad
Thursday, June 7, 2007 According to C.A.Cutter (4th ed, 1904, p.12) the first two objects of a catalog are: 1. To enable a person to find a book of which either (A) the author, (B) the title [or] (C) the subject is known. 2. To show what the library has (D) by a given author, (E) on a given

Re: [Possible Spam] Re: [RDA-L] Modernization

2007-05-14 Thread James Agenbroad
Monday, May 14, 2007 I think the reason for using a controlled vocabulary was not for sharing data among libraries but to bring together (aka collocate) items with of an author who uses a variety of names or forms of a name (Twain vs. Clemons), or on a subject whose name varies (death penalty

Who is RDA For?

2007-04-05 Thread James Agenbroad
Thursday, April 5, 2007 It may be unrealistic to expect the archival and electronic resources to communities adopt all the details of AACR rules--they may not need them. It may also be unrealistic to expect libraries to dilute their rules for these communities when libraries still need them.

Re: Importance of standardization

2007-03-20 Thread James Agenbroad
Tuesday, March 20, 2007 Dear Mac, Bravo! I agree with most of what you say, but not the 600/650 example If an item is a biography a more general 650 (Arichitects--Great Britain--Biography for Christopher Wren) is not what should be first. Concerning vocabulary, is it possible that

Re: Fwd: [NGC4LIB] Framework for a Bibliographic Future

2007-03-13 Thread James Agenbroad
Mac, As you said, It's hard to say nicely that the emperor is naked. Regards, Jim Agenbroad ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ) BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at

Re: Direct versus inverted order of author names

2007-02-21 Thread James Agenbroad
Wednesdy, February 21, 2007 I think several years ago the late Professor Hans Wellisch of Univ. of MD library school wrote an article proposing that we do away with inverting personal names entirely. I'm not sure in what journal. Regards, Jim Agenbroad ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RDA discussions at DC2006

2006-10-07 Thread James Agenbroad
Saturday, October 7, 2006 Dear Diane, Better thee than me. A long time ago at Rutgers library school Ralph Shaw supposedly said, Information science is librarianship by amateurs. In the same vein I suspect metadata is cataloging by amateurs and FRBR is a fad borrowed from database

A modest suggestion

2006-08-30 Thread James Agenbroad
Wednesday, August 30, 2006 On this list I have twice asked what, if anything, RDA will do about vernacular (i.e., nonroman) access points which catalogers using RLIN or OCLC have assigned for several years. I have had no answer. I conclude this has not been decided and may appear in the

Re: Major problems with RDA

2006-08-09 Thread James Agenbroad
Wednesday, August 9, 2006 I have read draft chapters 6 and 7. In my opinion, a major problem with RDA is the lack of any mention of headings in other scripts, also known as vernacular access points. Will they be mentioned in a subsequent chapter? I'll say no more now about their desirability

Re: FRBR and prime entry: what about relationships?

2006-07-17 Thread James Agenbroad
Monday, July 17, 2006 If chapter 13 said to align the bibliographic naming of works with established ways in which users refer to works as Mr. Eversberg suggests, would this include at least allowing the giving of titles of works of nonroman origin in their original script? 'Tis a consumation

Re: ISBD Review

2006-07-13 Thread James Agenbroad
Thursday, July 13, 2006 Dear Mac, I completely agree with you about the alternative title and have long thought so. My recollection is that considering it part of the title proper was due to the desires of French librarians and dates back to near the start of ISBD's--maybe when the 'I'

Card Catlog Filing, FRBR

2006-07-13 Thread James Agenbroad
Thursday, July 13, 2006 A recent contributor to this list said he or she had not seen a card catalog that distinguished in filing between main and added entries for a person. The old LC filing rules (pre-John Rather rules) did make this distinction. I do not know if the frozen LC card

RDA Part 2?

2006-07-12 Thread James Agenbroad
Wednesday, July 12, 2006 I have read the draft versions of chapters 6 and 7 but did not see any mention of a topic of interest to me: Will RDA provide for access points in the original script to resources issued in nonroman scripts? Will something be in part 2? Background. For a few