Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series

2009-07-22 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
But uniform title has been used for lots of things other than title of the work, exactly. Especially by music catalogers. Either those uses are going to be left un-filled by RDA or these catalogers are going to continue using the title of work to do things that aren't about naming the

Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series

2009-07-22 Thread Ed Jones
, July 22, 2009 8:44 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series RDA doesn't define a uniform title, but instead (well, I think of it as instead) has title of the work. I think this will be an improvement, in part because every Work should have a title

Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series

2009-07-22 Thread Adam L. Schiff
RDA has both authorized access point for work and authorized access point for expression. There are no rules at present for authorized access points for specific manifestations or items. Adam ^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington

Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series

2009-07-22 Thread Karen Coyle
Adam, that's odd, because the RDA list of elements says title proper is in the manifestation group. kc Adam L. Schiff wrote: RDA has both authorized access point for work and authorized access point for expression. There are no rules at present for authorized access points for specific

Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series

2009-07-22 Thread Paradis Daniel
-Message d'origine- De : Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] De la part de Karen Coyle Envoyé : 22 juillet 2009 11:44 À : RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Objet : Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series RDA doesn't define a uniform

Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series

2009-07-22 Thread Stephen Hearn
In the case of multi-part monographs, LCNAF has cases of authorized access points for what I take to be manifestation-level entities, e.g. Tolkien, J. R. R. (John Ronald Reuel), 1892-1973. Lord of the rings (Silver anniversary edition) [LCCN n 42024986] which is a controlled heading for a

Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series

2009-07-22 Thread Paradis Daniel
 : RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Objet : Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series But uniform title has been used for lots of things other than title of the work, exactly. Especially by music catalogers. Either those uses are going to be left un-filled by RDA or these catalogers are going

Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series

2009-07-22 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
[mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] De la part de Jonathan Rochkind Envoyé : 22 juillet 2009 11:45 À : RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Objet : Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series But uniform title has been used for lots of things other than title of the work, exactly. Especially by music catalogers

[RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series

2009-07-21 Thread Adam L. Schiff
Earlier LAC was very responsive in answering questions about standards, but I've received no response to twice asking whether LAC will follow the PCC decision to stop qualifying remote electronic series as (online), but use the print form of the series. (Since we provide MARC records to several

Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series

2009-07-21 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Adam Sschiff said: The PCC decision applies only to bibliographic records for remote electronic resources being authenticated according to the provider-neutral policy. SLC creates records for remote electronic aggregators and publishers. Some publishers produce print and electronic versions

Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series

2009-07-21 Thread Greta de Groat
Hmmm. Doesn't the provider-neutral e-monograph report say that All e-monographic resources cataloged on OCLC should follow the Prover-Neutral model from Day One, even if the resource is available from only one provider at the time of ctatloging.? And that basically OCLC will neutralize any

Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series

2009-07-21 Thread Adam L. Schiff
Greta, Good questions, to which I don't have answers. It's still not clear how easy it will be for OCLC to collapse multiple records into one, and whether they will enforce a provider-neutral policy on everyone. I don't think it's going to be possible either - the rules in AACR2 and RDA say

Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series

2009-07-21 Thread Adam L. Schiff
Adam L. Shift said: I hope I haven't shifted too much from post to post, but nevertheless, my name remains Schiff. It's German for ship. ,,, and whether future revisions of RDA sanction the description of multiple manifestations on one record. The same electcronic item from different

Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series

2009-07-21 Thread Karen Coyle
J. McRee Elrod wrote: The same electcronic item from different providers are not different manifestations, any more than different pritings of the same edition are different manifestations. An electronic provider is not a publisher. It depends on whether the electronic item is a copy, a

Re: [RDA-L] (Online) qualifier for series

2009-07-21 Thread hal Cain
J. McRee Elrod wrote: Adam L. Schiff said: ...and whether future revisions of RDA sanction the description of multiple manifestations on one record. The same electronic item from different providers are not different manifestations, any more than different pritings of the same edition are