Kykey Felix posted:
No I cannot see the terms chair, chairperson or chairman in RDA.
However under 19.3.1.3 there is an example where the word is
chairperson is used.
Then I suppose we took if from the RDA text, as we did contributor.
We wanted one alphabetic list of all possible relators.
Mr. Muawwas asked:
ACan we use Praeses?
Yes. But since we doubt most would know that that means, we have
suggested moderator and added thesis advisor.
abridger
actor
addressee
animator
annotator
appellant
appellee
architect
[arranger]
arranger of music [consider arranger]
art
Joan Wang asked:
the chair of a committee, it is a relationship of a person with a work?
In the case of committee reports, we consider it to be. Among the
internet harvested electronic documents we catalogue for one
e-aggregator, there are many government and private committee reports.
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Billie Hackney posted:
I have a print title with a set of square brackets embedded in the
first word on the piece itself.
In 245 I would transcribe what I see.
I would do a 246 3 without the brackets only if keying the title
without the brackets does not produce a hit in the OPAC.
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Michael Borries said:
I have a photomechanical reprint of W.P. Robins Etching craft in hand. The=
facsimile of the title page has been altered so that the original publicat=
ion information does not appear (in fact, the publication information of th=
e reproduction also appears nowhere
I would
Transcribe square brackets found on the source of information used.
2.3.1.4 Transcribe a title as it appears on the source of information (see
1.7).
1.7.3 Transcribe punctuation as it appears on the source except for the
following situations:
a) omit punctuation that separates data to be
Michael Borries posted:
We have a textbook which was customized for one of our colleges. It is mad=
e up of portions of two other textbooks.
I would suggest two 775s (since this is a different edition) with a $i
in each before all other subfields saying Excerpts from:
__ __ J.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Felix, Kyley
kfe...@parliament.wa.gov.auwrote:
I want to know what relator term I should use for the chair of a
committee. The term “chair” is not in the RDA toolkit’s list of
relationship designators.
** **
Does anybody have any suggestions, please?
On 27/08/2013 21.51, Kai Li wrote:
snip
Hi everyone,
I wrote a new blog post about RDA's developments in China in the past year
(http://kaili.us/node/53), which I believe some of you may be interested in. I
look forward to hearing your opinions about this post.
/snip
Thanks for that. It may
For Content Type, video games are listed under two-dimensional moving image.
Content Type refers to the primary human perception involved.
For the authorized access point of the work, video games are treated like
motion pictures, and are grouped under collaborative moving image works (RDA
Systems
MIT Libraries
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that the primary processing of the content is done by computers
Katrina Gormley asked:
What Content/Media/Carrier Types are people using for Video games
336 $acomputer program$2rdacontent
336 $atwo-dimensional moving image$2rdacontent*
336 $aperformed music$2rdaconten * **
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What Content/Media/Carrier Types are people using for Video games
Brenndorfer
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Gary Oliver asked:
I have an item that has a copyright statement, which includes
the copyright date (1984)
Use 264 1 $c[1984]
We add 264 4 $c only if the year differs from that in 264 1 $c;
having the same year twice would look strange to patrons it seems to
me.
How would the relevant 008
Thomas said:
For LDR/06=m, the preference is to use it in case of doubt, but to
prefer another code for Type of Record if the aspect brought out
(language material, music, moving image) is most significant. RDA
tilts towards two-dimensional moving image as the significant aspect
for video games.
you wouldn't use s? d = dead serial
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Gary Oliver asked:
I have an item that has a copyright statement, which includes
the copyright date (1984)
Use 264 1 $c[1984]
We add 264 4 $c only if the year differs from that in
I said in response to Thomas:
The records also clarify that 380 Form of Work is used for Video
games.
According to MARC21, 380 is an authority field. Are you saying we
should use it in bibliographic records?
I should have posted the 380 link:
http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ad380.html
This
I said:
008/06 = d, 008/07-10 = 1984.
Sorry, that's a typo. Date type should be s.
The same year in dates one and two (with the exception of conitnuing
resources which last only one year) is not helpful I think.
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Thomas said:
For LDR/06=m
.
bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk
01865 2-77134
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Apologies to the listserv... Private message intended!
Elizabeth
Shay Beezley shabee.at@gmail.com 8/23/2013 10:03 AM
Apologies for cross-posting.
Librarian - Metadata Cataloging Services | University of Central Oklahoma,
Edmond, OK
Position Summary
Catalogs library materials in a
Hi Shay!
Can I send this to the Music Library Association's job person? If you're
looking for someone to work with music, that'll get you some good candidates. :)
Elizabeth
Elizabeth Hille Cribbs
Cataloging (Music) Librarian
Northern Illinois University
815.753.8392
ecri...@niu.edu
Thanks for sharing. I read the article. I can image the situation of the
implementation of RDA in China :-)
Thanks,
Joan Wang
Illinois Heartland Library System
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I wrote a new blog post about RDA's developments
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I saw 'degree supervisor' in RDA appendix I
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Thanks, Joan.
degree supervisor (which
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I saw 'degree supervisor' in RDA appendix I.2.2.
'Degree supervisor is A person overseeing a higher-level academic
degree.
'Thesis advisor [ths]' is A person under whose supervision a degree
candidate develops
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I saw 'degree supervisor' in RDA appendix I.2.2.
'Degree supervisor is A person
An appropriate display would like this:
RDA record:
*Publication:* New York : Harper, [1961]
*Copyright date:* c1961
AACR2 record:
*Publication: *New York : Harper, c1961
Which one is clearer and not liable to misinterpretation by users
(non-catalogers)?
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reprint date
I would consider First published date 2012 as the publication date. Reprinted
date 2013 would be a manufacture date. In this case, the manufacture
I feel that the answer should be option 1. A similar case is for copyright
date. A copyright date is only required if neither date of publication nor
date of distribution is identified. So far I only have seen records with
two dates: a probable publication date, and a copyright date. I haven't
Sorry. Should be option 2.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote:
I feel that the answer should be option 1. A similar case is for copyright
date. A copyright date is only required if neither date of publication nor
date of distribution is identified. So
I saw 'degree supervisor' in RDA appendix I.2.2.
'Degree supervisor is A person overseeing a higher-level academic degree.
'Thesis advisor [ths]' is A person under whose supervision a degree
candidate develops and presents a thesis, mémoire, or text of a
dissertation.
Are they same?
On Thu,
Joan Wang posted:
264 1 $a [Illinois?] : $b [publisher not identified], $c [1860]
264 3 $a Belleville, Illinois : $b Rupp und Grimm, $c 1860.
IMNSHO this is more than enough; the 264 2 is not needed. (The
indicators are in the wrong order; a resource has to be manufactured
before it is
On 8/20/13, Bernhard Eversberg wrote:
20.08.2013 15:07, Mitchell, Michael:
... This is a rant
against the folly of RDA,...
I just don't understand how the profession can embrace
such folly though.
High time to figure this out indeed.
When I have mentioned that it was necessary to make
264 fields use different second indicators to separate publication,
distribution, manufacture statement, and copyright date. The second
indicator 4 of 264 field means copyright notice date. That means it only
records the copyright date.
Copyright date is a core element only if neither date of
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I am with you until, The other benefit to treating Pagination as a
separate element is that it's unique in that the measurement isn't usually
based on the actual number of pages, but on the recording of the last
numbered page.
How would
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My initial thought is to separate carrier from content. Carrier types and
extent of carrier should be defined irrelevant of content. A sheet is a sheet.
A volume is a volume, no matter what
Amy, the 264 $4 contains ONLY the copyright date, with no other information.
The example you showed seems to be a case where the publication date was
inferred from the copyright date, thus the bracketed date in the first 264
field. Strictly according to RDA, the first 264 should contain
I would just add that the publication date element is core in RDA, and that
my reading of the instruction indicates a preference to supply or
approximate the date unless it cannot reasonably be determined. We also
follow the LCPS. My own preference in such a case is to add the copyright
date as
And how is the user supposed to make sense of this?
How are thesis advisors supposed to make sense of this when checking
bibliographical citations?
How will it display
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Stewart, Richard
rstew...@indiantrailslibrary.org wrote:
I would just add that the
Library of Congress Policy: *do not use square brackets in notes except
when they are used in quoted data*
*Example:* 500* *Types of prayer wheels found in south central Tibet, by
Mei Lin: pages 310-375.
(Not pages [310]-[375])
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they are used in quoted data
Example: 500 Types of prayer
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Yes, but if the note says:
500 $a Published to commemorate XYZ-Page 2
you still don't know where it came from, as there are two page 2s in this
volume, one with the number
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Library of Congress Policy: *do not use square brackets in notes except
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*Example
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Yes, but if the note says:
500
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That separation of content and carrier is what makes sense. In much the same
Gene Fieg asked, regarding the inclusion of copyright date and inferred
publication date in an RDA record:
And how is the user supposed to make sense of this?
How are thesis advisors supposed to make sense of this when checking
bibliographical citations?
How will it display
I don't see
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Gene Fieg asked, regarding the inclusion
Wakter Nickeson posted:
AACR2:
300 $a [4], 85 p.
500 $a Published to commemorate XYZ--P. [2].
I suggested:
300 $a[iv], 85 pages
500 $aPublished to commemorate XYZ--Page [ii]
But I suspect RDA would have:
300 $a4 unumbered pages, 85 pages
500 $aPublished to commemorate XYZ--Unnumbered
Amy Mercer posted:
264 #4 $a London; $a Toronto : $b Schott, $c (c)2011
No. Field 264 4 has only $c date. The publisher may or may not be
the copright holder.
You do not record a copyright date in 264 1; in the absence of an
imprint date, you record an inferred imprint date in brackets,
: 617-227-5266
www.bostonathenaeum.org
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300 $a4 unumbered pages, 85 pages
500 $aPublished to commemorate XYZ--Unnumbered page 2.
My initial idea. Anyway, more than one person hates it :-)
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Wakter Nickeson posted:
AACR2:
300 $a [4], 85 p.
500 $a Published
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Yes, but if the note says:
500 $a Published to commemorate XYZ-Page 2
you still don't know where it came from, as there are two
This is the rule: Precede the date by the copyright symbol (©) or the
phonogram copyright symbol (℗). If the appropriate symbol cannot be
reproduced, precede the date by copyright or phonogram copyright.
Joan Wang
Illinois Heartland Library System
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Crum, Cathy
Cathy Crum asked:
I know that you would include the copyright symbol with the copyright date =
in a 264 if the symbol appears on the resource. Would you include any acco=
mpanying text in the 264 as well?
You include the symbol, whether or not it apears on the item.
Copyright qouls would be
I wasn't talking about the copyright of theses.
In terms of theses: author cites New York : Harper, c1961
Catalog record reads 264 New York : Harper, [1961]
264 c1961
Thesis advisor checks citation and notes the [1961].
Calls in author. Our catalog says it was published in 1961, are you sure
Michael Chopey posted:
DtSt: n
Dates: ,
I would code q, with guessed dates (even if the last one or two digits
are u).
Yes, totally unknown dates would be recorded as in 008. Date 2
would be if the resource is still being published. Continuing
resources are the only
Hi Mike,
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Michael Chopey cho...@hawaii.edu wrote:
I'm assuming that this instruction in 2.8.6.5 (recording dates for
multipart monographs, serials, and integrating resources):
If the date or dates cannot be approximated for a multipart monograph,
serial, or
Lynn wrote:
Is there a reason we can't do something like this for graphic novels and the
like:
1 volume of illustrations ; some color or 138 pages of illustrations ; some
color
I haven't gone through the RDA rules in depth like many of you, but 3.4.12.1
says to give the number of units
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Lynn wrote:
Is there a reason we can't do something like this for graphic
20.08.2013 15:07, Mitchell, Michael:
The fact that RDA rules create a conundrum like this regarding what
should be a simple line of description has got to be one of the most
ridiculous examples of why this whole set of rules will be just
another (big) nail in our professional coffins. The public
I have many books to rush catalog, all of which are custom editions for classes
taught at Kent State University. I’m taking the record for the full textbook
and deriving an original record for the custom edition. I’d like to add a 776
to link the full textbook to the custom edition. I’m not
I am not sue if the custom edition in your email means a different edition
or a different physical form. If it is a different edition, I would use
775. If it is a different physical form, I would use 776.
Hopefully it helps :-)
Joan Wang
Illinois Heartland Library System
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The fact that RDA rules create a conundrum like this regarding what should be a
simple line of description has got to be one of the most ridiculous examples
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330-672-1703
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Lynn Gates posted:
Is there a reason we can't do something like this for graphic novels and
the like:
1 volume of illustrations ; some color or 138 pages of illustrations ; some
color
Perhaps because the unit name for a volume with page numbers is pages?
I would prefer for a graphic novel:
Heidrun Wiesenmuller wrote (in part):
Personally, I'm much in favour of the policy of the British Library and
Cambridge University Library: If I've understood correctly, they simply
go on using chiefly and all, ignoring the restrictions to 7.15.
Sad to say, I had completely missed the
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I have many books
What would you suggest for the wording of the subfield i?
More important the the 775$z ,I would think, would be a 250
transcribed or supplied which makes it clear that the adaptation is
for a particular campus.
Also, the 300 would have to be adapted to reflect omitted pages.
Perhaps a fuller $z
I am with you until, The other benefit to treating Pagination as a
separate element is that it's unique in that the measurement isn't usually
based on the actual number of pages, but on the recording of the last
numbered page.
How would this be different from recording the complete sequences of
Just a note: And they wonder why we can't get things through faster.
Only because, we want quality cataloging--bless you-- and not automatic hit
that button cataloging.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:37 AM, MCCUTCHEON, SEVIM lmccu...@kent.eduwrote:
I have many books to rush catalog, all of which
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I am with you until, The other benefit to treating Pagination as a
separate element
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Sian Woolcock posted:
300 - - a 202 pages, 16 pages of plates : b ill. ; c 21 cm.
I would suggest you stop agonizing over what RDA says, and record the
data your patrons would find useful. You can't be faulted for
exceeding core requirements.
Attempting to following the exact wording of RDA
16, 2013 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: Illustration terms in 7.15.1.3
Hi everyone!
I had a very similar case yesterday: a book containing solely illustrations.
Some of the illustrations had colour, but most of them were bw. Since we
cannot refer to the illustration in 300$b (RDA defines it as « secondary
Mac said:
I would consider architectural drawings to be plans, not maps,
regardless of scale. Maps usually depict the earth's surface. There
are also maps of the moon, and of fictitious places, etc.
Yes, but not all architectural drawings are plans (e.g. if the drawing
shows the front of a
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Greta de Groat said:
... so i think you are stuck with 300 photographs.
I've never seen a coffee table book with actual photographs on
sensitive paper. Also, the pages may be numbered, with a varying
numbers of pictures per page
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[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] De la part de Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Envoyé : 15 août 2013 15:33
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Objet : Re: [RDA-L] Illustration terms in 7.15.1.3
Greta said:
I thought
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[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] De la part de Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Envoyé : 15 août 2013 15:08
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Objet : Re: [RDA-L] Illustration terms in 7.15.1.3
Francis,
I believe RDA could be altered to make a clearer distinction between
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Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:29 AM
To: Khosrowpour, Shahrzad
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Unknown date
Shahrazad asked:
I have a book that doesn't have any information on date, publication,
manuf= acture, distribution, anything. Then how
Heidrun said:
I think we'll have to discuss that for the German application. Judging
from the discussion here and some examples I've seen, I'm not so sure
this rule has been universally followed (although I see your point).
Even the AACR2 glossary does not have a definition of photograph.
-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 2:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Unknown date
Should be [Place of publication not identified] with the first word
capitalized. But better to record a probable country and probable date if you
can
[not after August 15, 2013] seems reasonable.
[before August 2013] would be shorter. Why be negative? It probably
took two weeks for the item to reach you, so I would not worry about
the 15th.
Seems to me RDA often uses a phrase where a word would suffice.
We would still prefer guessing the
Marie-Chantal (what a pretty name) said:
we never include terms like « ill. » or « images » since it would be
redundant to say an image is illustrated!
You are assuming that 336 displays. If it displays, I've not so far
seen it in brief display. The 300 collation should be understandable
on
Envoyé : 16 août 2013 12:50
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Objet : Re: [RDA-L] Illustration terms in 7.15.1.3
Heidrun said:
I think we'll have to discuss that for the German application. Judging
from the discussion here and some examples I've seen, I'm not so sure
this rule has been
Many thanks to Steven, John, Mac and Adam. As usual, the discussion has
been very helpful. I wonder what would I do without this list?
Things have been cleared up a lot. As samples isn't so very common, I
think it might be a good idea to take it out from the list under
Alternative (where it
of a
resource.
Francis
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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Arakawa, Steven
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Francis,
If a resource consists wholly or predominantly of image content, then this content is no
longer illustrative. That is, the images *are the primary content* in such a resource, so
they no longer fulfill RDA's definition of illustrative content: Content designed
to illustrate the
There is a difference between content type and illustrative content.
Content type is at a higher level. It refers to the way a work (an idea) is
realized. It could be text, still image, and so forth. I would say that it
actually refers to the major content, the fundamental form a work is
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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:55 AM
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Francis,
If a resource consists wholly or predominantly
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