Re: [RDA-L] FRBRized data available for bulk download

2010-10-18 Thread Riley, Jenn
Hi Stephen and all, We’ve made an intentional decision for the V/FRBR project to not use the concept of an aggregate work. The many-to-many nature of Expression to Manifestation for our need adequately models the fact that two symphonies were released on the same disc (for example). For our

Re: [RDA-L] FRBRized data available for bulk download

2010-10-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
So does that mean that you have Manifestations... which do not belong to any Work at all? Or have you just left Works out of your modelling altogether? My understanding of the FRBR model is that it insists that _all_ manifestations belong to an expression which belongs to a work. This is

Re: [RDA-L] FRBRized data available for bulk download

2010-10-18 Thread Tillett, Barbara
For information - Ed O'Neill chairs the IFLA FRBR Working Group on Aggregates that hopes to have a report in early 2011. - Barbara Tillett From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Riley, Jenn Sent: Monday, October

Re: [RDA-L] FRBRized data available for bulk download

2010-10-18 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
J. Rochkind wrote, So does that mean that you have Manifestations... which do not belong to any Work at all?   Or have you just left Works out of your modelling altogether? My understanding of the FRBR model is that it insists that _all_ manifestations belong to an expression which belongs

Re: [RDA-L] FRBRized data available for bulk download

2010-10-18 Thread Karen Coyle
Quoting Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu: My understanding of the FRBR model is that it insists that _all_ manifestations belong to an expression which belongs to a work. This is what leads to aggregates neccesarily being works -- you've got a manifestation in front of you which is clearly

Re: [RDA-L] FRBRized data available for bulk download

2010-10-18 Thread John Espley
In the VTLS FRBR implementation, a manifestation for an aggregate can be linked to multiple Expressions/Works. One of the Expression/Work is for the aggregate as a whole. The other Expression/Works are for the separate Works in the aggregate. John Espley VTLS Inc. On 10/18/2010 1:58 PM,

Re: [RDA-L] FRBRized data available for bulk download

2010-10-18 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Karen Coyle wrote: snip If you look at the simple Group1 diagram: http://archive.ifla.org/VII/s13/frbr/fig3-1.jpg you see that a manifestation can manifest more than one expression. So there are two (at least) ways to go: 1) consider the aggregate a manifestation and an expression and a work;

Re: [RDA-L] FRBRized data available for bulk download

2010-10-18 Thread Casey A Mullin
I take respectful exception to the choice of the word belong to when describing relationships among the WEMI entities. To my mind, belong connotes a relationship along the lines of whole-part: a chapter of a book, if modeled as a Work in its own right, belongs to the larger work in which it

Re: [RDA-L] FRBRized data available for bulk download

2010-10-18 Thread Riley, Jenn
Yes, what Karen said. (Thanks, Karen!) That's exactly how we look at it. So a Manifestation does have Expressed Works in it (to answer your question Jonathan), just more than one in many cases. Since more than one is OK, no need for aggregates. Jenn -Original Message- From: Resource