[RDA-L] Reprint cataloging

2011-02-14 Thread Pat Sayre McCoy
Hi all, Does anyone feel they understand the linking field structure for a reprint well enough to review one I have? I'm not sure I'm phrasing the note in the 775 correctly and would like another opinion. It's no. 73 in the Save file. Pat Patricia Sayre McCoy  1121 E. 60th

Re: [RDA-L] rdacontent terms - dataset

2011-02-14 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Brunelle Longo wrote: Is there any rationale for having two RDA content terms (cartographic dataset and computer dataset) instead of just the simple DC 'dataset'? There may be rationale, but no rationality. These content terms are used with another core element, carrier, and optionally media

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and MARC (was Linked data)

2011-02-14 Thread Kelley McGrath
I have heard from a couple people who were unable to open the slides. This seems to be because Firefox is sometimes not associating .ppx files with PowerPoint. There are a couple ways to get around this (navigate to open with PowerPoint or save the file, open that folder and open with PowerPoint),

Re: [RDA-L] Reprint cataloging

2011-02-14 Thread Bob Hall
Hi Pat, Please copy and paste the 773 (and the 580 if the 1st indicator on the 773 is 1). I worked on a two-year project cataloging reprints and analytics; and, 15 years later, they are still part of my workflow. R. -- Robert C.W. Hall, Jr. Technical Services Associate Librarian Concord Free

Re: [RDA-L] Reprint cataloging

2011-02-14 Thread Pat Sayre McCoy
I accidently sent this to the wrong list, but thanks for such a quick response! Thanks. Pat Patricia Sayre McCoy 1121 E. 60th Street Head, Law Cataloging Serials Chicago, IL 60637 D'Angelo Law Library773-702-9620 University of Chicago

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and MARC (was Linked data)

2011-02-14 Thread Kelley McGrath
James Weinheimer wrote... But I wonder if what you point out is a genuine problem, especially in an RDA/FRBR universe. The user tasks are to find, identify, yadda -- works, expressions, manifestations, and *items*. Not sub-items. This record seems to allow everything that FRBR requires, plus it

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and MARC

2011-02-14 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Kelly McGrath posted: http://pages.uoregon.edu/kelleym/KM_MWpresentation.pdf The author says, among other things, that MARC field 245 is maxed out for subfields. With number subfields, 26 more can be added. How many does he want? Subfields need not be in numerical or alphabetic order, e.g.,

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and MARC

2011-02-14 Thread Karen Coyle
Quoting J. McRee Elrod m...@slc.bc.ca: Kelly McGrath posted: http://pages.uoregon.edu/kelleym/KM_MWpresentation.pdf The author says, among other things, that MARC field 245 is maxed out for subfields. With number subfields, 26 more can be added. How many does he want? I'm not sure how

Re: [RDA-L] rdacontent terms - dataset

2011-02-14 Thread Karen Coyle
I'm hoping that someone from the JSC can explain better, but it looks to me that a cartographic dataset has come particular characteristics. Section 3.19.7.3 of RDA says: 3.19.7.3 R ecording Digital Representation of Cartographic Data For digitally encoded cartographic data, record the

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and MARC

2011-02-14 Thread Galen Charlton
Hi, On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: The MARC record structure would allow the use of more than one character for the subfield code, e.g. aa instead of just a. (Up to 9, BTW, since it's a one byte numeric field). That would give us scads more possibilities,

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and MARC

2011-02-14 Thread Gary L. Strawn
At 12:39 PM 2/14/2011, Karen Coyle wrote: There are possibilities, but I don't think any of them could be considered cheap. At the same time, maybe it would be worth thinking some of them through before rejecting the ideas outright. (Brand-new subscriber jumps in with both feet, eyes closed.)

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and MARC

2011-02-14 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Karen Coyle correctly said: I'm not sure how you calculate this. There are only 9 single-digit numbers (0-8, since 9 is for local use only), Thanks for catching that slip up. I was of course thinking of Hal Cain's oft repeated suggestion for upper case codes. Would they require additional

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and MARC

2011-02-14 Thread Myers, John F.
Ms. McGrath, author of the presentation, readily identifies as red herrings the issues on which Mac focuses his rebuttal. There are more substantial issues presented by the author, namely the structural difficulties of MARC both with respect to encoding reliably machine-actionable data and to

[RDA-L] Fwd: [RDA-L] rdacontent terms - dataset

2011-02-14 Thread Gene Fieg
-- Forwarded message -- From: Gene Fieg gf...@cst.edu Date: Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [RDA-L] rdacontent terms - dataset To: kco...@kcoyle.net Just a thought: can we get back to speaking/writing in clear English. Without that type of English for RDA, it appears

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and MARC

2011-02-14 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Karen Coyle wrote: snip I'm not sure how you calculate this. There are only 9 single-digit numbers (0-8, since 9 is for local use only), and most of them have already been used: 0, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. A decision was made early on that the number subfields, to the extent possible, would retain the

Re: [RDA-L] rdacontent terms - dataset

2011-02-14 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Check out this document which contains a recent mapping of the new ISBD Area 0 terms to the RDA terms for content and media types (ISBD does not have values for carrier types). The RDA/ONIX Framework (ROF) is the larger framework from which RDA got its content, media, and carrier types:

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and MARC

2011-02-14 Thread J. McRee Elrod
John Myers said: RDA would be our equivalent to force us to recast our coding for upgrading to 21st century systems and needs. But shouldn't that coding horse preceed that rule cart? Why adopt rules we can't code? __ __ J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca) {__ | /

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and MARC

2011-02-14 Thread Kevin M. Randall
Mac Elrod wrote: John Myers said: RDA would be our equivalent to force us to recast our coding for upgrading to 21st century systems and needs. But shouldn't that coding horse preceed that rule cart? Why adopt rules we can't code? My guess is that since we need *both* the new horse

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and MARC

2011-02-14 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M. Randall Sent: February 14, 2011 6:14 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA and MARC Mac Elrod wrote: John

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and MARC

2011-02-14 Thread Adam L. Schiff
I like the idea of subfields with multiple letters. Perhaps we could name them after important or well known catalogers? For example subfield $jim subfield $mac subfield $karen We could have a commission to determine the names, perhaps something along the methods used for naming hurricanes

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and MARC

2011-02-14 Thread David Moody
- Original Message - From: Adam L. Schiff I like the idea of subfields with multiple letters. Perhaps we could name them after important or well known catalogers? For example subfield $jim subfield $mac subfield $karen Maybe ... but I would definitely draw the line at subfield

[RDA-L] Cataloguing non print materials

2011-02-14 Thread J. McRee Elrod
I've had not one suggestion on or off list with any provision in RDA which makes it easier to catalogue electronic resources than using AACR2, which might have been added to AACR2. According to the Sanchez survey, many of us feel RDA is also better than AACR2 for other nonprint material. I beg