Re: [RDA-L] I'm taillights

2012-11-30 Thread Bob Hall
In a word ... WOW! All the best in your future endeavours!  Will Bryan be 
assuming your responsibilities?



R.

P.s. -- I enjoyed reading your second paragraph.  --

Robert C.W. Hall, Jr.

Technical Services Associate Librarian

Concord Free Public Library, Concord, MA  01742

978-318-3343 -- FAX: 978-318-3344 -- http://www.concordlibrary.org/

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From: Mike Tribby mike.tri...@quality-books.com

To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:34:37 -0600

Subject: [RDA-L] I'm taillights




Today is my last 
day in the QBI Cataloging Bunker. As perceptive readers may have inferred 
from my postings here and on Autocat, I'm not exactly the most enthusiastic 
backer of RDA, but before drawing the conclusion that I'm quitting to avoid 
having to implement RDA, please consider that QBI has already begun to 
implement it with no real problems so far. In fact, Bryan and the rest of 
the cataloging staff here will be updating QBI's name authority capabilities 

and authorization to RDA standards in the near future, and converting the 
PCIP program to RDA is under consideration. I'm facing imminent knee 
replacement surgery and at my advance age and crappy physical condition the 
extensive re-hab I'll be undertaking is not a good fit with my 170-mile per 
day round trip commute. Besides, I have a 7-month-old puppy who desperately 
needs to have one of his owners at home everyday so that he doesn't spend 
most of his puppyhood in his kennel.



We still haven't heard from any customers one way or another about 
preferring RDA records, and I only recently discovered that QBI is hardly 
the last vendor in OCLC to accommodate RDA, which surprises me a little, but 

probably shouldn't. I think that for a lot of libraries RDA is a matter of 
overkill, introducing complications into the process of cataloging titles 
that may never have more than one manifestation, expression, etc. That being 

said, and to address James Weinheimer's frequently asked question about a 
business case for RDA, I don't think there is a business case for it for 
smaller libraries other than the perceived need to be in step with the 
national libraries. But for LC (and likely the British Library, LAC, the 
Australian National Library, etc.), it seems to me the business case is that 

it will allow them to focus more on important endeavors like classification 
and subject access rather than the housekeeping aspects of descriptive 
cataloging. For instance, being allowed to accept inputs like ONIX as 
is means their professional staffs need not concern themselves with 
converting ALL CAPS fields and similar matters. The national libraries have 
as much right as any other institutions to set their own policies, and I 
don't see how they can go forward in a time of diminishing funding and 
staffing without making major changes. If cataloging is truly a cooperative 
effort, records with nonsensical machine-generated contents notes and all 
caps title fields can be upgraded by other members of the bibliographic 
utilities that house records.



If I were working in an end-user situation (like the persistent dream job of 

a small liberal arts college library located in a picturesque setting), I 
would likely make use of Mac and Michael Gorman's creation and resist RDA 
implementation until faced with a situation where RDA's purported benefits 
would come to the fore. If the MARC replacement and infrastructure that will 

magically make RDA fully realizable come to fruition, that might change my 
outlook, but frankly I don't have much faith in the certainty of that 
happening anytime soon. How long did it take cataloging software vendors to 
start utilizing non-filing characters rather than using stopwords, and when 
will they introduce autofil into most cataloging software packages? Probably 

about the time the paperless society we've been preparing for since the 
1970s arrives.



My last helpful suggestion to the list (which I realize might constitute my 
first helpful suggestion to many list members) is this:

your discussions might be more fruitful if you managed to keep in mind that 
just because other list members disagree with you it doesn't mean they are 
drooling incompetents or arbitrary obstructionists. They might simply 
disagree with you.









Mike Tribby

Senior Cataloger

Quality Books Inc.

The Best of America's Independent Presses



mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com



Wearing the sensible shoes for one more day, then it's back to Spanish 
boots, Roman sandals, and brogans (thanks to Jeff Beck, Merle Haggard, and 
Bo Diddley)


Re: [RDA-L] AACR2 revisions due to delay in RDA

2011-06-16 Thread Bob Hall
Good afternoon,

I sent to Bernadette only, thinking I sent it to the whole list.  I've been 
following this practice for at least 5 years.


Title main entry / $c by John Smith ... [et al.].

Note: Statement of responsibility on title-page reads: [List all the 
authors]

[Trace all authors]



The note justifies the added entries, and since there are more than 
three authors, the bib. record gets a title main entry with the appropriate 
statement of responsibility.
...

R.

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Robert C.W. Hall, Jr.
Technical Services Associate Librarian
Concord Free Public Library, Concord, MA  01742
978-318-3343 -- FAX: 978-318-3344 -- http://www.concordlibrary.org/
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From: J. McRee Elrod m...@slc.bc.ca

To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA

Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:21:08 -0700

Subject: Re: [RDA-L] AACR2 revisions due to delay in RDA




Elaine Sanchez posted:



* Suspend the limitation of the rule of 3 so we can all feel 
empowe=

red to add more than 3 - I think everyone wants this right away!



There is no such limitation in AACR2 or MARC, so long as you justify

the additional entries in a note.  The Rule of Three is a floor, not a

ceiling. RDA's floor is *one* entry.  Hardly an improvement.



* Allow the use of SMD's in the 245 $h in addition to GMD's, and 
cr=

eate a potential list of often-desired, stable terms (DVD, CD, playaway, 
et=

c.)



Some are qualifying the GMD, e.g., [videorecording (Blu-ray)],

following the pattern of [text (large print)].  Yes, an AACR2 revision

page standardizing that practice would be very welcome.



An AACR2 revision page should make exact SMDs the practice, not the

option, e.g.,DVD, Blu-ray disc, not videodisc.



And any others. Since many comments indicate we know these are

things we want ...



Write JSC and request AACR2 revision pages for at least the next 18

months.  At the top of my list are uniting DVD non cast credits in

508, rather than splitting them between 245/$c and 508; and

simplification of treaty entry.





   __   __   J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)

  {__  |   / Special Libraries Cataloguing   HTTP://www.slc.bc.ca/ 
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Re: [RDA-L] Plans for Existing Bib Records?

2011-05-20 Thread Bob Hall
Good afternoon,

Thomas said, It's the agency's relationship to the user base that dictates 
what policies and guidelines for catalog records will be followed.

then James said,  ... that a single author was good enough when there were 
more than three. Do I agree? No, and I never did. So what? There are lots of 
people who don't agree with what is mandated in the standards, but it 
doesn't matter: they are still the standards and 

must be followed. Otherwise, they are not standards.

Sometimes an agency requires something that the rules can not provide.  
There are instances whereby tracing ALL names are important to the said 
agency.  I have had to create a work-around so that I comply to rules, but 
give them what they want.

Example: a technical report with four authors.

Title main entry: [title] / $c by [author no. one] ... [et al.].
Note: Statement of responsibility on t.p. reads, [all four authors].
Trace all four authors as added entries.

That way, the tracings are justified from the descriptive cataloging note.

--
Robert C.W. Hall, Jr.
Technical Services Associate Librarian
Concord Free Public Library, Concord, MA  01742
978-318-3343 -- FAX: 978-318-3344 -- http://www.concordlibrary.org/
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From: James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com

To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA

Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 17:54:55 +0200

Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Plans for Existing Bib Records?




On 05/20/2011 05:34 PM, Myers, John F. wrote:

snip

 So, when AACR2 makes an arbitrary determination that a single author is

 good enough when there are more than three, it is OK.



 However, when RDA affords catalogers the option to follow that

 historical arbitrary determination to its logical end (by extending its

 application to numbers of authors less than three) or to break with the

 pattern of arbitrary determinations (by allowing all authors regardless

 of number), that is now a problem?



 On a local basis, I routinely disregarded the Rule of Three in order to

 incorporate descriptive elements and access points for college faculty.

 In the future, regardless of whether the restrictive option allowed in

 RDA is initially employed, the agencies where such access is important

 will improve the record to meet their constituents' needs and

 expectations.  Those agencies that use the record as is, in its

 pre-improved state, will do so because it meets the needs of their own

 constituents and hence needn't worry about the subsequent changes.

/snip



That was what AACR2 determined: that a single author was good enough 

when there were more than three. Do I agree? No, and I never did. So 

what? There are lots of people who don't agree with what is mandated in 

the standards, but it doesn't matter: they are still the standards and 

must be followed. Otherwise, they are not standards. In normal 

standards, they mandate minimums and you can do more. When cataloging, 

lots of catalogers made additional access points. I have too. 

Unfortunately, according to AACR2, that goes outside the standard 

because AACR2 is not so much a standard as much as it creates a 

template, as RDA does in a lot of ways as well.



The rule of three could be improved and turned into a real rule of three 

by turning it into a minimal standard: trace at least the first three 

authors. This is simple, easy to teach and even adds access because we 

would trace three authors when there are four or more, while if somebody 

added the fourth, *it would still follow the standard*. This is the 

concern that I have, here is an item with 3 authors and 2 editors, and 

all I have to do is trace the first one and *still be in the standard*. 

That is going the wrong way!



I keep quoting myself, but I hate to repeat everything. I talk about the 

same issues in my last podcast: 

http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/2011/04/cataloging-matters-podcast-no-9.html
 
[http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/2011/04/cataloging-matters-podcast-no-9.html]
 






-- 

James L. Weinheimer  weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com

First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ 
[http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/]

Cooperative Cataloging Rules: 
http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ 
[http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/]


Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

2011-04-11 Thread Bob Hall
Here, here!

... well said.

R.

--
Robert C.W. Hall, Jr.
Technical Services Associate Librarian
Concord Free Public Library, Concord, MA  01742
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From: Lasater, Mary Charles mary.c.lasa...@vanderbilt.edu

To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA

Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:25:36 -0500

Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR




I also agree. Earlier today I saw the PCC Discussion Paper on RDA 
implementation. Perhaps this message would be an appropriate response. That 
position paper seems oblivious to the current ‘real’ environment.

Mary Charles Lasater
Authorities Coordinator
Vanderbilt University

From:Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf OfGuy Vernon Frost
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 11:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

I concur… very nice summation. Change needs to occur, but it seems to me 
it’s going in the wrong direction too.

Guy Frost, B.M.E., M.M.E., M.L.S., Ed.S
Catalog Librarian/Facilitator of Technical Processing
Associate Professor of Library Science
Odum Library, Valdosta State University
Valdosta, GA 31698-0150  Depository 0125
229-259-5060 ; FAX 229-333-5862
gfr...@valdosta.edu [mailto:gfr...@valdosta.edu]

From:Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf OfBillie Hackney
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 11:58 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L]
 FRBR

Every time I see a discussion about how hard FRBR is to understand (which it 
is), how difficult the RDA Toolkit is to use (which it is), and the fact 
that RDA will actually increase the amount of work we have to do to each 
bibliographic record (which it does), I get more and more discouraged.  
Cataloging as a profession has been gasping for breath.  It desperately 
needed to become simpler, more transparent, and more attractive to library 
school students, easier for management to understand.  Instead, it seems to 
me that the opposite is happening, and at the worst possible time.  It seems 
to me that our leaders are taking us over a cliff, and they keep explaining 
to us why what they're doing is very, very important, as we're plummeting to 
the ground.
This is my own personal opinion as someone who has been cataloging for 
twenty years -- not that of my employer.



Billie Hackney
Senior Monograph Cataloger
Getty Research Institute
1200 Getty Center Drive, Suite 1100
Los Angeles, CA 90049-1688
(310) 440-7616
bhack...@getty.edu


Re: [RDA-L] actual RDA

2011-03-16 Thread Bob Hall
Mike, et al.,

Well
 said and well put.  With budgets for FY 2012 being written, discussed 
(read:argued) there will be some public libraries, some not small, that 
will not be able to afford the paper copy!  I wish I were being an alarmist 
about that comment; but alas, it is the way it is.

R.

--
Robert C.W. Hall, Jr.
Technical Services Associate Librarian
Concord Free Public Library, Concord, MA  01742
978-318-3343 -- FAX: 978-318-3344 -- http://www.concordlibrary.org/
bh...@minlib.net
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I don't think smaller libraries and cataloging operations were targeted for 
disenfranchisement by the backers of RDA, but I do think that to varying 
degrees disenfranchisement will result. I would be interested in hearing 
what remedies--other than buy the printed version and hope--RDA enthusiasts 
would offer us. It seems obvious that in the planning and creating of RDA 
the emphasis would be on getting it right rather than planning for the 
have-nots who will always exist regardless of what initiative is undertaken. 
If all cataloging matters were held up until all cataloging agencies were in 
a position to participate fully, no initiatives could ever be successfully 
undertaken. When we get to the end of the adoption consideration process, it 
will be interesting to see what suggestions are made for non-adopters, if 
any are. So far it seems to pretty much be: Go fish.







Mike Tribby

Senior Cataloger

Quality Books Inc.

The Best of America's Independent Presses



mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com


Re: [RDA-L] Reprint cataloging

2011-02-14 Thread Bob Hall
Hi Pat,

Please copy and paste the 773 (and the 580 if the 1st indicator on the 773 
is 1).  I worked on a two-year project cataloging reprints and analytics; 
and, 15 years later, they are still part of my workflow.

R.

--
Robert C.W. Hall, Jr.
Technical Services Associate Librarian
Concord Free Public Library, Concord, MA  01742
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From: Pat Sayre McCoy p...@uchicago.edu

To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA

Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:18:45 -0600

Subject: [RDA-L] Reprint cataloging




Hi all,

Does anyone feel they understand the linking field structure for a reprint 
well enough to review one I have? I'm not sure I'm phrasing the note in the 
775 correctly and would like another opinion. It's no. 73 in the Save file.

Pat





Patricia Sayre McCoy  1121 E. 60th Street

Head, Law Cataloging  Serials   Chicago, IL 60637

D'Angelo Law Library773-702-9620

University of Chicago

p...@uchicago.edu


Re: [RDA-L] New to list

2010-08-26 Thread Bob Hall
Hi Maxine!



Long-time-no-chat.  I concur with what you said; as well as 
everyone else's comments set forth in this thread!  We've certainly 
discussed some of this in Cataloging Needs of Public Libraries at ALA.



It it is true that we've been cataloging with AACR2 ... some of us 
since 1981. The concept of learning something new is not the issue, trying 
to apply the new concepts is another matter.  It is not 
uncommon for me to sit at my desk, read and try to apply the rules, and say 
(or so 
I've been told I say), Huh?, [expletive], what?, [another 
expletive], and so forth.



Best.



R.  --

Robert C.W. Hall, Jr.

Technical Services Associate Librarian

Concord Free Public Library, Concord, MA  01742

978-318-3343 -- FAX: 978-318-3344 -- http://www.concordlibrary.org/

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From: MSHERMAN msher...@cuyahogalibrary.org

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:52:18 -0400

Subject: Re: [RDA-L] New to list




No, you are 
definitely not alone. I consider myself pretty intelligent,

and I've taken many workshops on FRBR, RDA, etc. Every time I think I

figured it out, I've found something that doesn't fit what I thought I

understood. Sigh.



Maxine Sherman

Cataloger



Cuyahoga County Public Library

Administrative Offices

2111 Snow Road / Parma, OH 44134-2728

p 216.749.9378 / f 216.749.9445



msher...@cuyahogalibrary.org

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[mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Jackie Johnson

Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:00 AM

To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA

Subject: [RDA-L] New to list



Hi all I am new to the list. I am just wondering whether anyone else is


struggling as I am with RDA. I am finding the terminology rather

impenetrable and the descriptions very convoluted. Would be good to know

I

am not the only one, or is it a sign of my age and my 32-year

acquaintance

with AACR2?



Regards,



Jackie Johnson

Metadata Coordinator

Library Services

University of Birmingham

Edgbaston

Birmingham

B15 2TT



0121-414-2767



j.john...@bham.ac.uk


Re: [RDA-L] RDA full draft

2008-12-02 Thread Bob Hall
Terri, Greta, et al.,

Terri, we have discussed your situation before, and I brought it up in the
CC:DA meetings.  Believe me, you are not alone in this when it comes to
small and medium libraries.  I know several librarians who not only
print-out things from their home computer on their time, but read
library-related emails at home because their budget is restricted, or they
are working the reference desk part-time  ... AND have to call a circ.
person to sit at the desk whilst they go to the WC.

As the PLA representative to CC:DA, I must say that when public library
technical service librarians heard about AACR3, I had lots of discussion as
there was general interest.  Now, with RDA, I get glazed-over looks.  It is
NOT because they are unintelligent, rigid, or any of those negative
connotations.  Lack of time to learn and implement something new is ...
well, let us say that their plates need to be serving platter-sized.

BTW, within the last year, I may have had two personal inquiries regarding
RDA.  My question is ... why only two?  Fortunately, I am seeing some active
discussion on this list.

Most small and medium-sized public libraries do not do their own cataloging;
it is done by networks, whose budgets are smaller than some of the small
libraries.  They are trim and lean in their staff; but, trim is one thing --
emaciated is another.  Within networks, there is a specific budget based on
library size.  Some libraries have 250,000 volumes, while some have 2,500.
Dealing with RDA training and implementation is just as important as
purchasing subscriptions for electronic journals, periodicals, etc.  Sad,
but true -- 'tis the squeaky wheel that gets the grease ...

There are several public libraries that I know of in my state of
Massachusetts who are dept. heads who will admit to me that they don't know
how to catalog any longer -- perhaps safe to say, I haven't cataloged in 10
years.

I am not going to get into the debate of paper vs. electronic format for
RDA.  It has been discussed here quite a bit.  my  My personal preference is
that I can edit and annotate freely (you should see my copy of AACR2 and
especially the LCRIs!) my personal paper copy; I prefer using the schedules
for paper when classifying using LC; and electronic Dewey when classifying
using DDC.  I learned by using paper; so is then paper, therefore, what I am
used to?  People use tools differently to their effectiveness and
efficiency.  I assure you, the biggest factor to these public libraries
using RDA will be price.

Rob Hall.
PLA rep. to CC:DA

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From: Teresa Knapp [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:32:08 +

Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA full draft




Dear All,



Speaking as a small institution, and as a participant on the RDA Taskforce,
I deeply appreciate all the work, and all the concern that is being shown
for us.  But, let me give you an idea of what were up against. I can't print
out the draft, as we can't afford to have me do so. We can't afford the
print cartridges and we can't afford the paper. At this point, I'm hoping I
still have a job in the next fiscal year. As much as my director would fight
for me and the rest of us, including all the PT folks who keep us running,
we are taking huge financial cuts from not only the state, but the county.
At the moment we have a county Board of Supervisors, that actually believes
that we are a huge waste of money.  I know that it is pretty grim for
everyone right now, but there is no way that we could afford anything new,
if I can't even print out the draft.  Quite honestly, I'd rather have my
job, then a new cataloging code. Now, that said, we're librarians. We know
better than anyone else, except for school teachers, how to suck it up, and
do more with less and less. I know with enough brainstorming, we can figure
out how to make this work for everyone. I say this for myself and for
everyone else.



Thanks for listening, I've been ranting a lot lately, mostly to my poor
husband, just thought I would share.



Teri Frick

Orange County Public Library

Orange, VA


We are librarians, and therefore the elect of God. To read is human, to
catalogue divine. --from Dewey Death by Charity Black Stock.



 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:13:34 -0800
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA full draft
 To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA

 Large institutions may be able to afford such a cataloging interface.
 How long will it take our local systems to program such a thing? Or
 maybe it will be OCLC that does it and we'll all catalog in OCLC. Will
 the subscription price for RDA be added to either of those products on
 top of what we pay already?

 Ok, us large institutions will do whatever we're told (which will be
 whatever 

Re: Fictitious characters as authors

2006-03-10 Thread Bob Hall

Good afternoon all,


Thank you for your email.  We have been discussing this issue at our
ALA/PLA Cataloging Needs of Public Libraries discussion group since the
topic first appeared on the OCLC cataloging list several months ago.  We
also found out that OLAC had presented this very issue a few years ago (
http://ublib.buffalo.edu/libraries/units/cts/olac/newsletters/sept04.html#capc
), but I believe they are not going to pursue it.  I am the PLA Liaison to
CC:DA and I am definitely going to bring this up just as soon as RDA pt. 2
is available for comment.  Please, also, feel free to comment on this list
when pt. 2 does become available.


[And now, for a not-too shameless plug]: any of you public library
catalogers who are going to Annual in New Orleans and want to be involved
in the Cataloging Needs of Public Library discussion group, please attend.
 We usually meet on Sun. morning, and Mon. afternoon, and welcome discussion!


Enjoy the weekend.


Robert.


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From: J. McRee Elrod [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:46:41 -0800
Subject: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors


 AACR2 makes a distinction between pseudonyms (which may as literary
 identities be used as prime entry AACR2 22.B2), and fictitious
 characters which may not be so used.  It seems to me that if one does
 not know the name of the human author, the name of the fictitious
 character is as much a pseudonym as any other, and is needed to bring
 together the works of a single bibliographic identity, whether that
 identity is presented as a mouse or not.

 I hope those drafting the next portion of RDA will take this into
 consideration.

 Joel Hahn has given his permission to forward the following to the
 list, which I think makes an important distinction:

 The Archy  Mehitabel books are clearly labeled as by Don Marquis.
 There is no question as to who the real-world author is, as it's
 clearly stated on the item itself.  Therefore, the main entry is under
 Marquis.

 In AACR2, there is an example of an autobiography of Alice Toklas,
 Gertrude Stein's secretary, which is known to have been *actually*
 written
 by Gertrude Stein about herself.  Therefore, the main entry is under
 Stein.

 In AACR2, there is an example of a book written by Winnie-the-Pooh,
 which is known to have *actually* been written by A.A. Milne, and is
 not a
 case of Milne intending to create a pseudonym with a separate
 bibliographic identity. Therefore, the main entry is under Milne.

 The Geronimo Stilton books (of which I have one in front of me, as it
 just arrived today), say Text by Geronimo Stilton, Original title:
 {original title in Italian}, Cover by Giuseppe Ferrario, Illustrations
 by Larry Keys, Ratterto Rattonchi, and Chiara Sacchi, etc.  The
 copyright statement is Copyright (C) 2005 by Edizioni Piemme S.p.A.,
 Via del Carmine 5, 15033 Casale Monferrato (AL), Italia; English
 translation (C) 2005 by Edizioni Piemme S.p.A.  The books are all told
 from the first person point of view.

 Unlike the case of Archy  Mehibatel, where the real author is stated
 on the work itself, or the Winnie-the-Pooh case, where the true author
 is well known, the publisher itself has intentionally obfuscated the
 name(s) of the real author(s); they label Geronimo Stilton as the
 author. Since this obviously cannot be ... , and there is no known
 author that can be used instead, the rules call for main entry under
 title, which is why LC has cataloged them that way.  (If Archy 
 Mehibatel was instead labeled by the publisher as by Archy, a
 cockroach, and no one knew or could readily determine that it was
 really by Don Marquis, then it would be the same situation as Geronimo
 Stilton.)

 However, because that treatment prevents collocation on the shelf of a
 popular fiction series, and prevents catalog access by one of the more
 obvious access points from the point of view of the target audience
 of this particular series, and thus may significantly inhibit public
 service, that is not considered a desirable situation by many
 libraries, even if it does strictly follow the rules.  Because the
 rules also allow for pseudonyms such as Mark Twain, or the recently
 discussed Jean Plaidy) to be used as main entries, even if the
 author's real name is known (again, in order to enable useful customer
 service), if the pseudonym constitutes a separate bibliographic
 identity from the author's own, there is some precedent for using
 names of people who do not and have never existed, it is perhaps not
 all that much of a stretch to treat Stilton as a shared pseudonym of
 the publisher's otherwise anonymous stable of writers, much like
 Franklin W. Dixon or Carolyn Keene are, with the exception that the