[RDA-L] LINKED DATA THE LIBRARY - NOTSL FALL MEETING, NOV. 22, 2013 - Registration now open
Northern Ohio Technical Services Librarians (NOTSL) is pleased to present our Fall program on linked data and libraries. Our speakers are: Dr. Marcia Zeng, Professor of Library and Information Science at Kent State University, will be our morning speaker. Dr. Zeng holds a Ph.D. from the School of Information Sciences at University of Pittsburgh and an M.A. from Wuhan University in China. Her major research interests include knowledge organization systems (taxonomy, thesaurus, ontology, etc), Linked Data, metadata and markup languages, database quality control, multilingual and multi-culture information processing, and digital libraries for cultural objects. Dr. Zeng will provide an overview of Linked Data principles. Jennifer Bowen, Assistant Dean, Information Management Services, University of Rochester and co-author of RDA and the eXtensible Catalog will address how linked data can be applied in libraries and why it is important. Ms. Bowen is the Chair of the eXtensible Cataloging Organization Board and was a principal investigator for the eXtensible Catalog Project at the University of Rochester. She has written and spoken extensively on this topic. Ms. Bowen also was the American Library Association Representative to the Joint Steering Committee for the Revision of AACR2 from 2004-2007. Jennifer Bowen holds masters degrees in library science and historical musicology from the University of Michigan. She has spent her career as a librarian working in the areas of cataloging and metadata, initially as a specialist in music cataloging. In recent years she has focused her research on metadata standards development (RDA), the FRBR data model, and the use of legacy library metadata in next-generation discovery systems. Date: November 22, 2013 Location: Kent State University Kent Student Center, Room 306 Kent, OH 44242-0001 Registration fee: $45.00, Students $20.00 Registration and light refreshments: 9:00 a.m. - 9:30 a.m. Program time: 9:30 a.m. - 3:30 p.m. Lunch and parking included with registration. Registration forms and further information are available at: http://notsl.org Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Libraryhttp://www.starklibrary.org/ 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.orgmailto:klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Communityhttp://www.starklibrary.org/
[RDA-L] NOTSL (Northern Ohio TS Librarians) 2014 Scholarship Application - Deadline Friday, Nov. 1, 2013
Please excuse any cross-postings. Applications for the 2014 Northern Ohio Technical Services Librarians (NOTSL) Scholarships are still being accepted through this Friday, Nov. 1, 2013. Scholarship(s) will be awarded at the discretion of the NOTSL Scholarship Committee, not to exceed $3,000.00, dependent upon need and number of applicants. Applicants must either be currently working in an Ohio library in a professional, paraprofessional, or support position in a technical services area, or be students (residing or studyingin Ohio) currently taking coursework in librarianship. The content of the proposed educational activity must relate to technical services, cataloging, serials, acquisitions, preservation, processing or management of technical services. Typically funded activities can include costs for workshops, conferences, coursework, professional meetings or research, but not training required by an employer. Applicants must specify the nature and cost of proposed activities in order for the Scholarship Board to properly determine eligibility and the allocation of funds. Scholarships will be applied for the calendar year, from January to December, 2014. The deadline for submissions is Friday, November 1, 2013, and recipients will receive notification no later than December 2013. Details can be found at: http://notsl.org.scholarships/scholarship-requirements-for2014/ The application form is located at: http://notsl.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/2014-scholarship-application.pdf Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Libraryhttp://www.starklibrary.org/ 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.orgmailto:klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Communityhttp://www.starklibrary.org/
[RDA-L] NOTSL FALL MEETING - REGISTRATION NOW OPEN - NOV. 22, 2013 - LINKED DATA THE LIBRARY
Northern Ohio Technical Services Librarians (NOTSL) is pleased to present our Fall program on linked data and libraries. Our speakers are: Dr. Marcia Zeng, Professor of Library and Information Science at Kent State University, will be our morning speaker. Dr. Zeng holds a Ph.D. from the School of Information Sciences at University of Pittsburgh and an M.A. from Wuhan University in China. Her major research interests include knowledge organization systems (taxonomy, thesaurus, ontology, etc), Linked Data, metadata and markup languages, database quality control, multilingual and multi-culture information processing, and digital libraries for cultural objects. Dr. Zeng will provide an overview of Linked Data principles. Jennifer Bowen, Assistant Dean, Information Management Services, University of Rochester and co-author of RDA and the eXtensible Catalog will address how linked data can be applied in libraries and why it is important. Ms. Bowen is the Chair of the eXtensible Cataloging Organization Board and was a principal investigator for the eXtensible Catalog Project at the University of Rochester. She has written and spoken extensively on this topic. Ms. Bowen also was the American Library Association Representative to the Joint Steering Committee for the Revision of AACR2 from 2004-2007. Jennifer Bowen holds masters degrees in library science and historical musicology from the University of Michigan. She has spent her career as a librarian working in the areas of cataloging and metadata, initially as a specialist in music cataloging. In recent years she has focused her research on metadata standards development (RDA), the FRBR data model, and the use of legacy library metadata in next-generation discovery systems. Date: November 22, 2013 Location: Kent State University Kent Student Center, Room 306 Kent, OH 44242-0001 Registration fee: $45.00, Students $20.00 Registration and light refreshments: 9:00 a.m. - 9:30 a.m. Program time: 9:30 a.m. - 3:30 p.m. Lunch and parking included with registration. Registration forms and further information are available at: http://notsl.org Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Libraryhttp://www.starklibrary.org/ 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.orgmailto:klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Communityhttp://www.starklibrary.org/
[RDA-L] SAVE THE DATE! NOTSL FALL MEETING November 22, 2013 - LInked Data the Library
Please excuse cross postings NOTSL will hold its Fall meeting on Friday, November 22, 2013. Our topic is Linked Data and the Library. Dr. Marcia Zeng, Professor of Library and Information Science at Kent State University, will be our morning speaker. Dr. Zeng holds a Ph.D. from the School of Information Sciences at University of Pittsburgh and an M.A. from Wuhan University in China. Her major research interests include knowledge organization systems (taxonomy, thesaurus, ontology, etc), Linked Data, metadata and markup languages, database quality control, multilingual and multi-culture information processing, and digital libraries for cultural objects. Dr. Zeng will provide an overview of Linked Data principles. In the afternoon session Jennifer Bowen, Assistant Dean, Information Management Services, University of Rochester and co-author of RDA and the eXtensible Catalog will address how linked data can be applied in libraries and why it is important. Jennifer Bowen was a principal investigator for the eXtensible Catalog Project at the University of Rochester and has written and spoken extensively on this topic. The meeting will be held in Room 306 of the Kent Student Center on the Kent State University Main Campus in Kent, Ohio. Further details regarding pricing, lunch, etc. will be available when registration opens. Please watch your inbox for the announcement. Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.orgmailto:klaman...@starklibrary.org
Re: [RDA-L] GMD - where is everyone on this?
We are also keeping the gmd. Patrons and staff both count on it for quick and easy identifying of which record is desired. It should be noted however, that we use non-standard gmds of our own construction - dvd, cd, book on cd, compact disc, etc - so they are really more like smds. We have recently transitioned to Sierra (we are a III library.) That may make some difference as these designations (derived from Field 30, Mat Type) now appear in a choice box to the left of the main display. The 245|h [gmd] was critical before we made the switch. Due to this other appearance of the gmds we may, in the future, consider eliminating them, but it will be some time yet. The terrible new 3xxs are currently suppressed. We are waiting to see if they ever serve any useful purpose for machine-searching of out catalog. They convey no comprehensible information to staff or patrons at all. Kathy [SA vcard logo] Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org From: Goldfarb, Kathie [mailto:kgoldf...@com.edu] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:53 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] GMD - where is everyone on this? We are keeping/adding the GMD. Both the GMD and, where available, the 3xx fields display. For patrons - I think the GMD is more visible and understandable. If there is a results list, the GMD will display, though the 3xx fields will not be available until the patron gets to the full record. The 3xx fields include more detailed information, but why should the patron have to go to the full record to get that info? The reason for that index screen is to help the patron narrow down the list of items that may be helpful to them. For staff - In our ILS, after doing a search, the GMD is critical. It is the only way to identify whether you are viewing the title of a print or eBook or some A/V material. Again, to avoid wasting time opening records that are not needed. kathie Kathleen Goldfarb Technical Services Librarian College of the Mainland Texas City, TX 77539 409 933 8202 P Please consider whether it is necessary to print this email. From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Karen Nelson Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:39 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] GMD - where is everyone on this? Hi, everyone; Could we get some postings on what others are doing now with the GMD? There are lots of opinions out there on this, I know. Accepting but not displaying in OPAC? Displaying? Etc. Some rationales would be helpful too. My librarian thanks you! inline: image002.png
[RDA-L] NOTSL Scholarhips for 2014: Application period is now open
Please excuse any cross-postings Applications for the 2014 Northern Ohio Technical Services Librarians (NOTSL) Scholarships are now being accepted. Scholarship(s) will be awarded at the discretion of the NOTSL Scholarship Committee, not to exceed $3,000 dependent upon need and number of applicants. Applicants must either be currently working in an Ohio library in a professional, paraprofessional, or support position in a technical services area, or be students (residing or studying in Ohio) currently taking coursework in librarianship. The content of the proposed educational activity must relate to technical services, cataloging, serials, acquisitions, preservation, processing or management of technical services. Typically funded activities can include costs for workshops, conferences, coursework, professional meetings or research, but not training required by an employer. Applicants must specify the nature and cost of proposed activities in order for the Scholarship Board to properly determine eligibility and the allocation of funds. Scholarships will be applied for the calendar year, from January to December of 2014. The deadline for submissions is Friday, November 1, 2013 and recipients will receive notification no later than December 2013. Details can be found at: http://notsl.org/scholarships/scholarship-requirements-for-2014/ The application form is located at: http://notsl.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/2014-scholarship-application.pdf Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community
Re: [RDA-L] 338 field for a volume of art prints
Not in my book! Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org -Original Message- From: Mitchell, Michael [mailto:michael.mitch...@brazosport.edu] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:03 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 338 field for a volume of art prints A unit of extent of text- is that even English? Michael Mitchell Technical Services Librarian Brazosport College Lake Jackson, TX Michael.mitchell at brazosport.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kathie Coblentz Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 10:58 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 338 field for a volume of art prints May I take the occasion to point out another confusing definition in the RDA glossary? Portfolio: A unit of extent of text that is a container for holding loose materials (e.g., paintings, drawings, papers, unbound sections of a book, and similar materials) usually consisting of two covers joined together at the back. There is something I'm not getting about how the RDA mind works. If something is a unit of extent of text, how can it be a container for, e.g., paintings? I was driven back to the definition of text to see if maybe somehow it includes non-verbal images, but no, it's Content expressed through a form of notation for language intended to be perceived visually. Though I suppose one picture IS worth a thousand words, so maybe that's how they figure it. I'm also not too pleased with that usually consisting of two covers joined together at the back (which was taken over from the AACR 2 glossary). I've seen a lot of portfolios in my time, and relatively few look like that. Actually, come to think of it, I'm not even sure what it means. Two covers? The RDA definition of cover is The outer protective material attached to a volume, consisting of both sides of the front and back panels and the spine to which they are joined. Kathie Coblentz, Rare Materials Cataloger Collections Strategy/Special Formats Processing The New York Public Library, Stephen A. Schwarzman Building 5th Avenue and 42nd Street, Room 313 New York, NY 10018 kathiecoble...@nypl.org My opinions, not NYPL's
Re: [RDA-L] 338 field for a volume of art prints
Exactly :-) Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org -Original Message- From: Gordon Dunsire [mailto:gor...@gordondunsire.com] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:09 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 338 field for a volume of art prints Surely not in your portfolio! (Apologies, it's Friday) Cheers Gordon -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kathleen Lamantia Sent: 26 July 2013 17:04 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 338 field for a volume of art prints Not in my book! Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org -Original Message- From: Mitchell, Michael [mailto:michael.mitch...@brazosport.edu] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:03 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 338 field for a volume of art prints A unit of extent of text- is that even English? Michael Mitchell Technical Services Librarian Brazosport College Lake Jackson, TX Michael.mitchell at brazosport.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kathie Coblentz Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 10:58 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 338 field for a volume of art prints May I take the occasion to point out another confusing definition in the RDA glossary? Portfolio: A unit of extent of text that is a container for holding loose materials (e.g., paintings, drawings, papers, unbound sections of a book, and similar materials) usually consisting of two covers joined together at the back. There is something I'm not getting about how the RDA mind works. If something is a unit of extent of text, how can it be a container for, e.g., paintings? I was driven back to the definition of text to see if maybe somehow it includes non-verbal images, but no, it's Content expressed through a form of notation for language intended to be perceived visually. Though I suppose one picture IS worth a thousand words, so maybe that's how they figure it. I'm also not too pleased with that usually consisting of two covers joined together at the back (which was taken over from the AACR 2 glossary). I've seen a lot of portfolios in my time, and relatively few look like that. Actually, come to think of it, I'm not even sure what it means. Two covers? The RDA definition of cover is The outer protective material attached to a volume, consisting of both sides of the front and back panels and the spine to which they are joined. Kathie Coblentz, Rare Materials Cataloger Collections Strategy/Special Formats Processing The New York Public Library, Stephen A. Schwarzman Building 5th Avenue and 42nd Street, Room 313 New York, NY 10018 kathiecoble...@nypl.org My opinions, not NYPL's
[RDA-L] Save the date! NOTSL Spring Meeting April 5, 2013
April 5th is just days after Day 1 for RDA. It's time to get practical with the RDA authorities! Come join NOTSL's program for managing your transition. Paul Frank from the Library of Congress will talk about name authority records in RDA, the current state of NACO training, major differences between AACR2 and RDA name headings, and will provide guidance for non-NACO catalogers for constructing RDA name headings. Chris Cronin from the University of Chicago Library will talk about managing the transition to RDA in your library. The meeting will take place at Cleveland State University. Watch for more detailed information as it becomes available. Hope to see you there! Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Libraryhttp://www.starklibrary.org/ 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.orgmailto:klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Communityhttp://www.starklibrary.org/
Re: [RDA-L] GMD revisited
We will do the same, and, we will add gmd back in manually to the 245|h. I am
not sure that part will continue, but staff will be very unhappy if we
discontinue them. GMD in 245|h is used very heavily by circ staff when
assisting patrons. We are also a III library, so icons work for the public
display, but do not show in the Millennium view which staff use. Those
miserable 3xx fields convey no comprehensible information to staff.
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Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS
Technical Services Librarian
330-458-2723
klaman...@starklibrary.org
From: Adger Williams [mailto:awilli...@colgate.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:40 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] GMD revisited
Julie,
We have been doing Mac's option 1 (don't display 33x fields, do generate an
icon, based on fixed field values), and it seems quite satisfactory. We're an
Innovative library. The icons appear on browse summary screens to the side of
the record, and, on full-display in the top right corner, after the title. It
seems to work.
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:57 PM, J. McRee Elrod
m...@slc.bc.camailto:m...@slc.bc.ca wrote:
Julie Moore asked:
Has anyone come up with any other options or solutions as the RDA cutover
date for the national and PCC libraries nears? (2 months to go!)
The best option we have seen are icons based on fixed fields, and
suppressing 33X from display.
Next best, I think, is displaying [338 : 336] at end of title proper
(as per the MRIs), or at head of all other data (as per ISBD Area 0).
If either of these is done, longer phrases should be truncated, e.g.,
just display tactile, cartographic, moving image. You might
consider suppressing [volume : text].
So far, most of our clients are opting to have GMD inserted.
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Adger Williams
Colgate University Library
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awilli...@colgate.edumailto:awilli...@colgate.edu
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Re: [RDA-L] I'm taillights
Oh no! I am happy for you and hope that all goes very well with your surgery and recovery. But it's hard to imagine this list wihtout you! Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Mike Tribby mike.tri...@quality-books.com To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2012 16:34:56 GMT+00:00 Subject: [RDA-L] I'm taillights Today is my last day in the QBI Cataloging Bunker. As perceptive readers may have inferred from my postings here and on Autocat, I'm not exactly the most enthusiastic backer of RDA, but before drawing the conclusion that I'm quitting to avoid having to implement RDA, please consider that QBI has already begun to implement it with no real problems so far. In fact, Bryan and the rest of the cataloging staff here will be updating QBI's name authority capabilities and authorization to RDA standards in the near future, and converting the PCIP program to RDA is under consideration. I'm facing imminent knee replacement surgery and at my advance age and crappy physical condition the extensive re-hab I'll be undertaking is not a good fit with my 170-mile per day round trip commute. Besides, I have a 7-month-old puppy who desperately needs to have one of his owners at home everyday so that he doesn't spend most of his puppyhood in his kennel. We still haven't heard from any customers one way or another about preferring RDA records, and I only recently discovered that QBI is hardly the last vendor in OCLC to accommodate RDA, which surprises me a little, but probably shouldn't. I think that for a lot of libraries RDA is a matter of overkill, introducing complications into the process of cataloging titles that may never have more than one manifestation, expression, etc. That being said, and to address James Weinheimer's frequently asked question about a business case for RDA, I don't think there is a business case for it for smaller libraries other than the perceived need to be in step with the national libraries. But for LC (and likely the British Library, LAC, the Australian National Library, etc.), it seems to me the business case is that it will allow them to focus more on important endeavors like classification and subject access rather than the housekeeping aspects of descriptive cataloging. For instance, being allowed to accept inputs like ONIX as is means their professional staffs need not concern themselves with converting ALL CAPS fields and similar matters. The national libraries have as much right as any other institutions to set their own policies, and I don't see how they can go forward in a time of diminishing funding and staffing without making major changes. If cataloging is truly a cooperative effort, records with nonsensical machine-generated contents notes and all caps title fields can be upgraded by other members of the bibliographic utilities that house records. If I were working in an end-user situation (like the persistent dream job of a small liberal arts college library located in a picturesque setting), I would likely make use of Mac and Michael Gorman's creation and resist RDA implementation until faced with a situation where RDA's purported benefits would come to the fore. If the MARC replacement and infrastructure that will magically make RDA fully realizable come to fruition, that might change my outlook, but frankly I don't have much faith in the certainty of that happening anytime soon. How long did it take cataloging software vendors to start utilizing non-filing characters rather than using stopwords, and when will they introduce autofil into most cataloging software packages? Probably about the time the paperless society we've been preparing for since the 1970s arrives. My last helpful suggestion to the list (which I realize might constitute my first helpful suggestion to many list members) is this: your discussions might be more fruitful if you managed to keep in mind that just because other list members disagree with you it doesn't mean they are drooling incompetents or arbitrary obstructionists. They might simply disagree with you. Mike Tribby Senior Cataloger Quality Books Inc. The Best of America's Independent Presses mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com Wearing the sensible shoes for one more day, then it's back to Spanish boots, Roman sandals, and brogans (thanks to Jeff Beck, Merle Haggard, and Bo Diddley)
Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA
Or, you can just keep it locally, which is what we plan to do. When staff have a patron standing in front of them, or on the phone, seeking help, they use the #h [gmd] description to quickly distinguish which type of material is wanted by the patron. That is supposed to be the basis of the entire FRBR/RDA changeover. If I told them they had to read 336, 337 and 338 to determine item type, especially once I showed them the terms used (oh yes and and 'unmediated text' is a book) they would troop down to Tech Services en masse and ask me if I had lost my mind. In the OPAC, III's field 30 Mat Type generates an a very specific icon, so we are okay there. We are currently suppressing the 3xxs in the public display. They take up too much room in the display because of where they fall, and they convey no useful information to searchers. Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community -Original Message- From: Kelleher, Martin [mailto:mart...@liverpool.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:17 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA Well, it would still be nonstandard, plus probably isn't set up in most systems to act like GMDs. Assuming the cataloguers at our institution decide on such a direction, we'll probably just keep using $h unless the systems stop accepting them. Given the widespread support for GMD, it may be supported for some time to come, hopefully until the RDA powers-that-be come up with a more effective alternative Failing that, I guess we could use the same terminologies in one of the 330 fields, or perhaps a local field, and either suppress from display or delete the remainder. If we're talking revising RDA, I'd prefer to re-instate the GMDs (with revised terminology) and abolish the 330s - I think that would be quite a popular revision! Martin Kelleher Electronic Resources/Bibliographic Services Librarian University of Liverpool -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Elizabeth O'Keefe Sent: 23 October 2012 13:03 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA How about using the $k subfield instead? Here is the current MARC definition of this subfield in the 245: $k - Form Term that is descriptive of the form of the described materials, determined by an examination of their physical character, subject of their intellectual content, or the order of information within them (e.g., daybooks, diaries, directories, journals, memoranda, etc.). 245 10$aFour years at Yale :$kdiaries,$f1903 Sept. 16-1907 Oct. 5. 245 00$aPL 17 Hearing Files$kCase Files$f1974$pDistrict 6$hmicrofilm (jacketted in fiche). 245 14$aThe charity ball :$ba comedy in four acts :$ktypescript,$f1889 /$cby David Belasco and Henry C. DeMille. Those who feel the 336-338 triad combinations are insufficient to convey the nature of a resource (we have this issue with three-dimensional objects and with manuscripts) might find the $k subfield in the 245 more hospitable to this type of information. Of course, this would necessitate changes to RDA, but the revision process is ongoing. Liz O'Keefe Elizabeth O'Keefe Director of Collection Information Systems The Morgan Library Museum 225 Madison Avenue New York, NY 10016-3405 TEL: 212 590-0380 FAX: 212-768-5680 NET: eoke...@themorgan.org Visit CORSAIR, the Library’s comprehensive collections catalog, now on the web at http://corsair.themorgan.org Kelleher, Martin mart...@liverpool.ac.uk 10/23/2012 5:05 AM Transcribed information in transcribed fields only? I can't see the point of it either, if it makes the nature of that which you're examining more obscure. Hear hear to reviving GMDs! A missed opportunity in RDA was the potential rejigging of GMD into something more user friendly - instead, we end up with just the opposite, it's removal and replacement with a clutter of significantly less user-friendly codified record cloggers (the 330s). The original GMD terms ARE unwieldy. What we've done for years is combine carrier and content in fairly well known terms, such as: DVD video DVD audio DVD-ROM Audio CD Video CD CD-ROM Videocassette Audiocassette Shocking, I know, but I suspect it helps people to figure out what we've got more than the 330s will.. Too late now? Martin Kelleher Electronic Resources/Bibliographic Services Librarian University of Liverpool -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: 23 October 2012 01:35
Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA
Agreed, and thank you for the suggestion. But, back to the original question - why do the extra work? Our current gmds are very clear and succinct: dvd, compact disc, comic book; book on cd, etc. Why make people try to figure out a combination of 3 terms when one simple clear statement is already in place and tells them what they need? People in this case being staff who are trying to get items to patrons. Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community -Original Message- From: Arakawa, Steven [mailto:steven.arak...@yale.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:31 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA Kevin, you're right--thanks for pointing this out. The example would have been helped with an additional 3xx for the primary content/media/carrier type. However, I still think the fields themselves could be translated into more comprehensible terms in the OPAC, especially if labels were assigned. Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training Documentation Catalog Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 1:39 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA Steven Arakawa wrote: Although the $a terms may be incomprehensible to the public, locally you could selectively add $3 to 338 with more appropriate carrier terms and include the more specific terms in the display; you would have more control over the terminology that best suits your user community. The 338 $3 carrier term could be keyword indexed and could be set to display with the brief title and/or as part of a labeled, full record display with the $3 terms for content and media type. 33X subfield $3 is for Materials specified, meaning the portion of the resource to which the field applies. The example: 338 ## $a sheet $2 rdacarrier $3 liner notes means that for the resource being described, the carrier type term sheet applies to the liner notes, not to the audiodisc or videodisc that it accompanies. Subfield $3 is not for an alternative term to the one given in $a. The definition of subfield $3 for the 33X fields parallels the definition in other fields such as 490. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!
Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA
Yes, sorry, of course these are not AACR2 terms, but we do use them and have for years. In fact, they were carefully chosen before I got here. They convey exactly what is needed to staff. As I said in my earlier post, III's field 30 MAT TYPE generates icons which are for patrons using the public display. The 245|h[gmd] is more for staff who see the Millennium interface while performing searches. However, the 245 also appears in the OPAC as an added piece of information for patrons. I did not explain all this earlier out of respect for the time of list readers. I apologize if there was confusion. Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community -Original Message- From: Jonathan Rochkind [mailto:rochk...@jhu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:34 PM To: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access Cc: Kathleen Lamantia Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA You have DVD, Compact Disc and Comic Book as GMD's in 245$h? This is curious to me, and I wonder what your data source is for records with these GMD's. None of those are on the 'standard' list of GMDs, and you won't generally find any of those used as GMD's on MARC from OCLC or LC. The actual standard GMD's are much less useful for patrons in most environments then the ones you use as examples, and indeed the not-so-useful nature of the standard GMD's most of us have is, in my impression, part of what motivated trying to come up with a more reasonable and flexible system for recording form/format data, which was actually a multi-year (10? more?) process/discussion, one product of which is the RDA 3xx vocabularies. On 10/23/2012 2:36 PM, Kathleen Lamantia wrote: Agreed, and thank you for the suggestion. But, back to the original question - why do the extra work? Our current gmds are very clear and succinct: dvd, compact disc, comic book; book on cd, etc. Why make people try to figure out a combination of 3 terms when one simple clear statement is already in place and tells them what they need? People in this case being staff who are trying to get items to patrons. Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community -Original Message- From: Arakawa, Steven [mailto:steven.arak...@yale.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:31 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA Kevin, you're right--thanks for pointing this out. The example would have been helped with an additional 3xx for the primary content/media/carrier type. However, I still think the fields themselves could be translated into more comprehensible terms in the OPAC, especially if labels were assigned. Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training Documentation Catalog Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 1:39 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA Steven Arakawa wrote: Although the $a terms may be incomprehensible to the public, locally you could selectively add $3 to 338 with more appropriate carrier terms and include the more specific terms in the display; you would have more control over the terminology that best suits your user community. The 338 $3 carrier term could be keyword indexed and could be set to display with the brief title and/or as part of a labeled, full record display with the $3 terms for content and media type. 33X subfield $3 is for Materials specified, meaning the portion of the resource to which the field applies. The example: 338 ## $a sheet $2 rdacarrier $3 liner notes means that for the resource being described, the carrier type term sheet applies to the liner notes, not to the audiodisc or videodisc that it accompanies. Subfield $3 is not for an alternative term to the one given in $a. The definition of subfield $3 for the 33X fields parallels the definition in other fields such as 490. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!
Re: [RDA-L] RDA, DBMS and RDF
Joe, Thanks for this very pertinent comment. This is exactly what I have been wondering myself. Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community -Original Message- From: Joe Tomich [mailto:jtom...@uwm.edu] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 9:12 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA, DBMS and RDF I'm coming into this discussion somewhat late so apologies if the following has been covered. As someone who works both with MARC directly as a cataloger and MS Access (both in the same ILS--Voyager) I was very interested in this discussion and wanted to weigh in. My question: Is it RDA that is incompatible with relational database principles, or does the underlying nature of information that a library must convey with respect to its holdings prevent that information from integrating fully into a relational database environment? The building blocks of a relational database are, of course, tables containing attributes of a particular entity. A classic, real-world example would attributes such as name, address, age, SSN, etc. of employees (entities) of a company. The strength of a relational database (RDB hereafter) is the ability to link those tables and pull together different attributes of user-sought combinations of entities, while eliminating data redundancy. The purpose in typical scenarios is to gain information about the entities themselves. In a library catalog, however, the entities are really means to an end, an end which is largely pre-defined and often inherently redundant. Ostensibly, it's tempting to look at the relationship between a bibliographic and authority record and, due to the parallels with fully realized relational databases, see the potential to move library catalogs more in that direction. The problem is the libraries' need to store and convey what are, in effect, fixed, unique relationships involving redundant entities. While an author's name may be redundant in and of itself, its relationship to title, publisher, year, etc. in each of the author's works in the catalog is unique, and each of those unique relationships needs to be captured and conveyed. I don't think they can be generated on the fly by linking tables. In some ways, we've incorporated RDB principles already, such as the use of an authority record to store earlier forms of an author's name, which eliminates the need to place these in the relevant bib records. While there is certainly room for improvement (static linking of the bib and authority records of controlled fields as one possible example), I think the scope is limited. In essence, we've already identified the minimum information necessary to convey, again, those unique relationships between entities (author, title, publisher, year, etc.) that constitute a work in the library's collection. If we were interested in attributes of the individual entities in MARC records (give me books published between 1990 and 2005 whose publisher is a publicly traded company) we could also make more use of RDB principles (linking via publisher name to a publisher table that states whether publishers are public or private), but again, in a library catalog, the entities themselves are of relatively little interest beyond their role in the creation or description of the information being sought and, for that, the pieces of information in each (currently MARC) record seem to me both sufficient and necessary. Thus, while I share with my colleagues many of the stated concerns with RDA, I think there are some limiting factors to consider when using relational database principles as a standard of measure. Joe Tomich UW-Milwaukee Libraries
[RDA-L] SAVE THE DATE! NOTSL Spring Meeting, April 27, 2012 - RDA is coming. How ready are you?
Please excuse cross postings. NOTSL will hold its spring meeting on Friday, April 27, 2012. Our topic is: RDA is coming. How ready are you? Our keynote speaker will be Chris Oliver, Coordinator of Cataloguing and Authorities, McGill University, former Chair of the Canadian Committee on Cataloguing, current Copy Editor for RDA, appointed by ALA Publications and charged with revising RDA wording to make it understandable. Chris is also the author of Introducing RDA: a guide to the basics. We are also very pleased to be able to present Peter Lisius, Music and Media Catalog Librarian, Kent State University Libraries. Peter will discuss RDA for cataloging music and A-V materials. Our third speaker is Erin Stalberg, Director of Discovery and Access at Mt. Holyoke College, former Head of Metadata and Cataloging at North Carolina State University. Erin will focus on managing change, and training for RDA. Registration will available on Wednesday, March 14th. Please watch your mailbox for further information. We look forward to seeing you at this very timely program. Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community
[RDA-L] NOTSL Fall Meeting: December 9, 2011 - Invitation
(Cross-posted to multiple lists. Please accept our apologies for the duplication.) Topic: Coming to Terms with Genre/Form Access How can we make it easier for library users to find materials such as music, movies, video recordings, cartographic materials, and fiction? Resource discovery and access for library users is the primary objective of the cataloging process. When new opportunities emerge for libraries to improve discovery and access for their patrons, libraries should respond and take advantage. Northern Ohio Technical Services Librarians (NOTSL) is pleased to present a program on Library of Congress Genre/Form Terms. Traditionally, catalogers have assigned controlled vocabulary, such as Library of Congress subject headings to describe the content of works. Over the past few years, the Library of Congress has undertaken several projects to develop genre/form headings for library materials. Genre/form terms describe what an item is, not what it is about. Based on the initial success of its experimental moving image project, which created genre/form headings for films, television programs, and video recordings, the Library of Congress Acquisitions and Bibliographic Access (ABA) management team approved five new genre/form projects in July 2008 that would be undertaken by its Policy and Standards Division. The new areas to be covered were cartography, law, literature, music, and religion. These projects, now underway, include the identification of relevant thesauri, creation of the genre/form terms, changes to MARC coding, and the development of written documentation and training tools. The implementation of genre/form terms has major implications for library cataloging processes. Library workflows and systems may need to be updated or changed to accommodate the use and control of the new terms. How will authority records for these terms work with local systems? What will happen to legacy data such as the GSAFD headings? Our speakers will address these issues, and more. They will speak from the perspective of the Library of Congress, from an established automated authority control vendor, and from a practicing library involved in the cartographic aspects of this project. Presenters: * Janis L. Young, senior cataloging policy specialist and the genre/form coordinator for the Library of Congress' Policy and Standards Division (PSD). * Karen Anderson, Authority Control Librarian, Backstage Library Works, Provo, Utah. * Paige G. Andrew, Associate Librarian at the Pennsylvania State University Libraries, Maps Cataloging Librarian and a member of the Maps Cataloging Team, Cataloging and Metadata Services Department. Date: December 9, 2011 Location: Kent State University Kent Student Center, Room 306 Kent, OH 44242-0001 Registration fee: $50.00, students $25.00 Registration and light refreshments: 9:00 a.m. - 9:30 a.m. Program time: 9:30 a.m. - 3:30 p.m. Lunch and parking included with registration. Registration forms and further information are available at: http://notsl.org
Re: [RDA-L] Plans for Existing Bib Records?
Thank you, Mac, these are great! Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community The Stark County District Library is a winner of the National Medal for library service, is one of the best 100 libraries in the U.S. according to the HAPLR rating, and is a Library Journal 5 Star library. -Original Message- From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 2:05 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Plans for Existing Bib Records? 29 April 2011 EXPORT OF RDA RECORDS TO BE AACR2 COMPATIBLE If 040$e is rda Export with a at the beginning of RSN. Leave LDR/18 as i Remove 040$erda Remove if present 100/110/600/610/700/710$erelationship designator, $4relator code, including $2 if following, leaving concluding period. These terms are not at present being applied, ecept for illustrators of children's books. for example 700 1 $aJones, Jim,$d1930-1999,$eactor. becomes 700 1 $aJones, Jim,$d1930-1999. Create a 245$h[compound gmd] composed of 338$a : 336$a, e.g., [online resource : text]. Do not include $2. If 008/35-37 is fre, 336-338 are French. Substitute English [online resource : text] in 245$h. Do not create a 245$h for [volume : text]. If more than one $aterm in either 338 or 336, separate those terms by comma-space. Separate 338 and 336 by space-colon-space. [SLC changes repeating 336-338 fields to repeating $a in one field.] Shorten some 336 terms when exported as 245$h: 336 Content type cartographic dataset } cartographic image } cartographic moving image} [export as cartographic] cartographic tactile image } cartographic tactile three-dimensional form } cartographic three-dimensional form } tactile image} tactile music} [export tactile] tactile notated movement } tactile text } actile three-dimensional form } three-dimensional form [export form] three-dimensional moving image }[export as moving image] two-dimensional moving image } Export 250 edition as ed. In 260$a, using this list, abbreviate jurisdiction, whether in square brackets or not. NB: only abbreviate if not adjacent to $a, e.g., $aVictoria, British Columbia becomes Victoria, B.C., but $aMelbourne, Victoria becomes Melbourne, Vic. [SLC continues to supply missing jurisdictions, but spelled out.] Alabama Ala. AlaskaAlaska Alberta Alta. Arizona Ariz. Arkansas Ark. Australian Capital Territory A.C.T. Briitish Columbia B.C. CaliforniaCalif. Colorado Colo. Connecticut Conn. Delaware Del. District of Columbia D.C. Distrito Federal D.F. England Eng. Florida Fla. Georgia Ga. HawaiiHawaii Idaho Idaho Illinois Ill. Indiana Ind. Iowa Iowa KansasKan. Kentucky Ky. Louisiana La. Maine Me. Manitoba Man. Mayland Md. Massachusett Mass. Michigan Mich. Minnesota Minn. Mississippi Miss. Missouri Mo. Montana Mont. Nebraska Neb. NevadaNev. New Brunswick N.B. New Hampshire N.H. New JerseyN.J. New MexicoN.M. New South Wales N.S.W. New York N.Y. New Zealand N.Z. Newfounland Nfld. Newfoundland and LaboradorN.L. North CarolinaN.C. North Dakota N.D. Northern TerritoryN.T. Northwest Territories N.W.T. Nova Scotia N.S. Ohio Ohio Oklahoma Okla. Ontario Ont. OregonOr. Pennsylvania Pa. Prince Edward Island P.E.I. Puerto Rico
[RDA-L] [sic] ?
I am doing catalog maintenance today, and am working on typos. I happen to be in the L section this afternoon and am searching for Lousian*. The presence of the [sic] is very helpful in determining which records I need to look at more closely. I believe I've read somewhere that [sic] will no longer be employed when we are using RDA - under the record exactly what you see, dictum. Am I remembering this correctly? Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Libraryhttp://www.starklibrary.org/ 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.orgmailto:klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Communityhttp://www.starklibrary.org/ The Stark County District Libraryhttp://www.starklibrary.org/ is a winner of the National Medalhttp://www.imls.gov/ for library service, is one of the best 100 libraries in the U.S. according to the HAPLRhttp://www.haplr-index.com/2010_haplr_edition.htm rating, and is a Library Journal 5 Star libraryhttp://tinyurl.com/2dx7ad4.
Re: [RDA-L] FRBR
Well, you can't stop there, Mike. Which kinds of libraries favor which, etc.? Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community The Stark County District Library is a winner of the National Medal for library service, is one of the best 100 libraries in the U.S. according to the HAPLR rating, and is a Library Journal 5 Star library. -Original Message- From: Mike Tribby [mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 12:44 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR It may be simplistic (but hey! that's what I do!), but I think the competing views of RDA's potential benefits and ultimate utility split along the lines of what kind of libraries are being discussed and what kind of libraries the individuals doing the discussing inhabit. With a few significant and voluble exceptions, that is. Mike Tribby Senior Cataloger Quality Books Inc. The Best of America's Independent Presses mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com
Re: [RDA-L] FRBR
Wait, wait! I thought the entire purpose of FRBR/RDA was to collocate everything together so that patrons would see an entity-relationship display... therefore the book and the movie are only different expressions of the same work. So now, this is NOT the case? Please excuse me while I go in a closet and scream! Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community The Stark County District Library is a winner of the National Medal for library service, is one of the best 100 libraries in the U.S. according to the HAPLR rating, and is a Library Journal 5 Star library. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Rochkind [mailto:rochk...@jhu.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:19 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR In conventional cataloging practice, and in what is suggested by FRBR/RDA as I understand it... no, it doesn't really matter. A movie version is a different work. I think an argument could be made that a _very simple_ movie version, that is really just video of a bunch of actors sitting around a table doing a reading of the _exact_ text of the novel --- should be treated as the same work to be consistent -- If an audio-book of the exact text is considered the same work -- is it? But I'm not sure about that, and I think that, otherwise, no, conventional practice is to consider the movie version a different work. Conventional practice, as represented by legacy cataloging and FRBR/RDA's suggestions is NOT to have catalogers considering how much the movie differs from the book, and figuring out exactly how much is too much.[Consider again, in AACR2 -- is the main entry (not an added entry) on a film version of Pride and Prejudice _ever_ Jane Austen? If it sometimes is, that might be a case where it is indeed being modelled as the same work. I don't think this is ever done? But I'm not a cataloger.] It's not an unreasonable thing to suggest, but it's not conventional practice. My main point is that it's not about which choice is closer to reality of whether two things are the same work or not. There kind of isn't a reality of that, there isn't an actual work we can go touch and open up and see. It's just about our modelling choices, and in order to share our data we need to do this somewhat consistently. It's totally fine to think it would be _better_ (more useful) if the convention were different -- just like you could disagree with what, say, AACR2 or other legacy cataloging practice dictated about when to use the same title authority record and when to make a different one. But if you want to be able to share your authority records and linked bibs cooperatively, you've got to try to make choices consistent with everyone else, even if you think a different choice would be more useful. On 4/7/2011 4:55 PM, Mark Rose wrote: Wouldn't the determining factor of whether a movie version of Pride and Prejudice shared the same work as the novelization depend on the the intent of the expression as a motion picture of the novel or as a retelling? If the movie took enough liberties with the text, it might be a different work, but if it were an almost verbatim representation of the novel then it might be the same work. Another example might be whether the film Prospero's Books share the same work as the RSC film production of The Tempest? The text is very similar in each version. What about remakes then? For example, do the original film version of Arthur and the 2011 remake of the film Arthur share the work Arthur or because there is substantial deviation in text do we view it as a separate work. The whole notion of Work in FRBR seems unnecessary in my view. We don't deal in Platonic ideals of what a work is but in actual productions, the physicality of the work, i.e. expression down to item. Mark Rose, B.A.Hons., M.I.St. Librarian and Information Systems Manager ICURR = Cirur mr...@icurr.org (647) 345-7004 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access on behalf of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Thu 4/7/2011 4:35 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR The 'conventional' modelling choice right now is to call the film version of Pride and Prejudice a different (creative) 'work' than the novel, and the film script yet different again. This is a somewhat arbitrary choice -- when modelling reality, we have to make choices on how to 'summarize' reality in our modelled data, in the most useful ways for our use cases. It is my opinion that neither choice is neccesarily more 'right', any model is neccesarily a summarized 'lossy encoding' of reality. In this case, that choice is arguably most consistent with legacy cataloging practice, where a
Re: [RDA-L] FRBR
Yes, I see your point in a sense because the aspects vary - but it's still Austen's ideas and characters, etc... I've finally figured out a way to express what FRBR/RDA feels like to me after several years of study and practice. I feel as if I've fallen down the rabbit hole and am searching for Alice while accompanied by Franz Kafka. Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community The Stark County District Library is a winner of the National Medal for library service, is one of the best 100 libraries in the U.S. according to the HAPLR rating, and is a Library Journal 5 Star library. -Original Message- From: Laurence Creider [mailto:lcrei...@lib.nmsu.edu] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 10:11 AM To: Kathleen Lamantia Cc: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR But the creator of the book and the creator(s) of the movie are NOT the same people. The movie contains aspects such as costume, set, choice of shots, sound, acting, and on and on that are the result of the actions of different creators, none of whom are Jane Austen. Even the text is quite different, as someone pointed out about the Harry Potter movies (not to mention Lord of the Rings and the Twilight series). So they book and the movie are not the same work. Onee reason why the change of genre (or medium) involves moving from one work to another is because the change involves additional creative responsibility. So what you have are related but not identical works. This morning an e-mail on another list talked about a class in Chaucer that was competing to create the best Twitter version of various Canterbury Tales. If these were to be cataloged, they would be separate works from the Canterbury Tales and would be considered as adaptations or even summaries. -- Laurence S. Creider Special Collections Librarian New Mexico State University Las Cruces, NM 88003 Work: 575-646-7227 Fax: 575-646-7477 lcrei...@lib.nmsu.edu On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, Kathleen Lamantia wrote: Well, it seems to me that Pride and Prejudice is Jane Austen's conception (work) no matter what form (expression) it takes, so I would answer your 2nd question, is the creator the same? with yes. As to valid alternatives, that seems to me to be cataloger's judgment, so we are left with a situation in which book and movie will or will not be the same work depending on perception - and that's no way to run a railroad. Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community The Stark County District Library is a winner of the National Medal for library service, is one of the best 100 libraries in the U.S. according to the HAPLR rating, and is a Library Journal 5 Star library. -Original Message- From: Peter Schouten [mailto:pschou...@ingressus.nl] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 8:47 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR Ask yourself: is the movie a valid alternative to the book? Is the creator of the movie the same as the creator of the book (if the answer is no to either, it can't be a work). The purpose of FRBR has never been to put related works together in one hiërarchy, but the works will of course be related by association (which currently they often are not). Peter Schouten Ingressus -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] Namens Kathleen Lamantia Verzonden: vrijdag 8 april 2011 14:41 Aan: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Onderwerp: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR Wait, wait! I thought the entire purpose of FRBR/RDA was to collocate everything together so that patrons would see an entity-relationship display... therefore the book and the movie are only different expressions of the same work. So now, this is NOT the case? Please excuse me while I go in a closet and scream! Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community The Stark County District Library is a winner of the National Medal for library service, is one of the best 100 libraries in the U.S. according to the HAPLR rating, and is a Library Journal 5 Star library. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Rochkind [mailto:rochk...@jhu.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:19 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR In conventional cataloging practice, and in what is suggested by FRBR/RDA as I understand it... no, it doesn't really
Re: [RDA-L] FRBR
I would welcome Mr. Ellroy's addition to the gang :) Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community The Stark County District Library is a winner of the National Medal for library service, is one of the best 100 libraries in the U.S. according to the HAPLR rating, and is a Library Journal 5 Star library. -Original Message- From: Mike Tribby [mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 10:54 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR I've finally figured out a way to express what FRBR/RDA feels like to me after several years of study and practice. I feel as if I've fallen down the rabbit hole and am searching for Alice while accompanied by Franz Kafka. Yow! That's at least the second specific reference to the RDA discussion, if not RDA itself, that has referenced a cataloger feeling trapped in a work by Lewis Carroll! How literary can we get? I would suggest, however, that those of us not quite 100% onboard the RDA express might want to include James Ellroy along with Carroll and Kafka in our allusions to add a little toughness brio lest we be accused of more handwringing. Ellroy also figures in the discussion of the relationship between novels and feature motion pictures, too, in that he was initially quite complimentary about the film version of his L.A. Confidential, calling it a distillation (or some such positive word) of his work, but he has now changed his mind about that. (He did, however, enjoy the remuneration the film supplied.) The film not only shortened the novel's story substantially, it also completely changed the ending of the story beyond all recognition. Judgements about this sort of thing change over time, even judgments made by the principals involved. Mike Tribby Senior Cataloger Quality Books Inc. The Best of America's Independent Presses mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com
Re: [RDA-L] FRBR
You will not find Austen, Jane 1775-1817 as the 'main entry' on any AACR2 record for a movie version of Pride and Prejudice. - Yes, of course, that's exactly my point about FRBR/RDA Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community The Stark County District Library is a winner of the National Medal for library service, is one of the best 100 libraries in the U.S. according to the HAPLR rating, and is a Library Journal 5 Star library. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Rochkind [mailto:rochk...@jhu.edu] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:02 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR Well, it seems to me that Pride and Prejudice is Jane Austen's conception (work) no matter what form (expression) it takes, so I would answer your 2nd question, is the creator the same? with yes. As to valid alternatives, that seems to me to be cataloger's judgment, so we are left with a situation in which book and movie will or will not be the same work depending on perception - and that's no way to run a railroad. Again, all I can say is that this is not the decision that AACR2 or historical anglo-american cataloging makes, and FRBR/RDA bases itself off of anglo-american cataloging tradition. You will not find Austen, Jane 1775-1817 as the 'main entry' on any AACR2 record for a movie version of Pride and Prejudice. There are probably reasons that anglo-american cataloging does this, that people could talk about. It's a choice. You're right that we want to be consistent to 'run a railroad', even though some people might consider the movie version the same work and some people might not. So we have to make a choice. The purpose of the FRBR data model is to be explicit about our data modelling, so we can record our data in a way that software can have access to semantics to provide flexible interfaces to meet user needs. The Group 1 W-E-M-I set is NOT the only semantics in data modelled according to FRBR, and if the movie work is appropriately related to the original text work, interfaces can still choose to present that relationship to the user in various ways. If they were simply modelled as the same work, interfaces would be unable to make that choice, interfaces would HAVE to present them as the same. That's another way to look at the run a railroad issue -- we need to model our data the same to share it, even though users have different needs in different contexts. So we should model it with maximum flexibility for eventual display, by modelling that work A is textual, work B is a movie, and work B is an adaptation or work A. That's more information than simply saying Expression A (movie) and Expression B (text) are the same work.
Re: [RDA-L] Subjective Judgements in RDA 300s????
I too was troubled by the comment which Mike mentions below (NYPL would like to politicize it) Many of us have legitimate concerns both about RDA and about FRBR which underlies it. I did not think it was a political question when Ms. T from NYPL pointed out the extremely unusual 300 field. Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community The Stark County District Library is a winner of the National Medal for library service, is one of the best 100 libraries in the U.S. according to the HAPLR rating, and is a Library Journal 5 Star library. -Original Message- From: Mike Tribby [mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 8:43 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Subjective Judgements in RDA 300s While NYPL would like to politicize it, An alleged initiative to which you are contributing by replying in this manner. As to whether patrons care whether illustrations are in color or in black and white, in my experience lots of public and school library patrons do care about that, and probably find that information somewhat more useful than the number of pages devoted to bibliographical references,* a term which I doubt most patrons understand any better than the frightful col. ill. or etc. Purely conjecture on my part. I'll stop now before I further politicize this thread. Mike Tribby Senior Cataloger Quality Books Inc. The Best of America's Independent Presses mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com
[RDA-L] If we don't adopt RDA immediately
Please excuse this very basic question if it has already been answered. I have only recently joined the ListServ. It is my assumption that LC and OCLC will announce adoption of RDA soon after the end of the evaluation period. If my institution does not buy/adopt RDA immediately thereafter, will we still be able to do original cataloging? We do not do a great of it. Most of what we contribute is local genealogical material. We do occasionally have some more general items, but not often. If we have an item which needs original cataloging after implementation takes place, will we be obligated to use RDA rules? Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community The Stark County District Library is a winner of the National Medal for library service, is one of the best 100 libraries in the U.S. according to the HAPLR rating, and is a Library Journal 5 Star library.
Re: [RDA-L] Testing institutions post-RDA test
Is there any realistic possibility that institutions will actually say no? I understand that the theoretical possibility exists, but after the time, money, and effort which have gone into RDA, it seems a foregone conclusion to me. Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community The Stark County District Library has been named one of 10 recipients of the 2009 National Medal for Museum and Library Service, the nation's highest honor for museums and libraries. The annual award, made by the Institute of Museum and Library Services (IMLS) since 1994, recognizes institutions for outstanding social, educational, environmental, or economic contributions to their communities. -Original Message- From: Kevin M. Randall [mailto:k...@northwestern.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 3:20 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Testing institutions post-RDA test Mark Ehlert wrote: Have any formal testing institutions--especially LC and other prolific agencies--determined whether they'll continue to catalog under RDA after the second part of the test concludes on December 31? Conversely, have any institutions already decided to flip back to AACR2 at that point? I would be EXREMELY surprised if there is any answer other than No, we have not yet decided, since the entire purpose of the test is to determine whether or not to implement RDA. See http://www.loc.gov/bibliographic-future/rda/ Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Bibliographic Services Dept. Northwestern University Library 1970 Campus Drive Evanston, IL 60208-2300 email: k...@northwestern.edu phone: (847) 491-2939 fax: (847) 491-4345
