[RDA-L] Catholic deuterocanonical Biblical books

2011-05-09 Thread Shorten, Jay
6.23.2.9.2 says, For books of the Catholic or Protestant canon, record the brief citation form of the Authorized Version as a subdivision of the preferred title for the Bible. But 6.23.2.9.4 says, For an individual book [of the Apocrypha] use the name of the book as a further subdivision,

Re: [RDA-L] Catholic deuterocanonical Biblical books

2011-05-09 Thread Gene Fieg
It appears that 6.23.2.9.2 (Rule citation reminds me of AACR1) is miswritten: It probably should read: For books of the canon that Catholics and Protestants hold in common On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Shorten, Jay jshor...@ou.edu wrote: 6.23.2.9.2 says, “For books of the Catholic or

Re: [RDA-L] Catholic deuterocanonical Biblical books

2011-05-09 Thread Mark Ehlert
For what it's worth, the RDA text Jay quotes is a mash-up of several .18A rules under AACR2 25.18 with a few tweaks here and there to accommodate the dropping of O.T and N.T and to fold in a footnote. Here are the relevant excepts: 25.18A. Bible 25.18A1. General rule. Enter a Testament as a

Re: [RDA-L] Catholic deuterocanonical Biblical books

2011-05-09 Thread Laurence S. Creider
Part of the problem with these rules is that the deuterocanonical books ARE part of the Roman Catholic canon, so that 18A1 and 18A5 seem contradictory. Another part of the problem is that there are other canons that should be considered in the cataloging rules. The Eastern Orthodox canon

Re: [RDA-L] Catholic deuterocanonical Biblical books

2011-05-09 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Jay Shorten asked: Bible. Tobit or Bible. Apocrypha. Tobit? Nobody has actually answered Jay's question. My conclusion is the second example above. Bible. Tobit would be more in keeping with the treatment of other Biblical books. But as I read 6.23.2.6 (in the last text I saw), one would

Re: [RDA-L] Catholic deuterocanonical Biblical books

2011-05-09 Thread Gene Fieg
First of all, I hope the title is spelled Jubilees in RDA. Secondly, Esdras, 1st, is really the 3rd or 4th Esdras in the Apocrypha. See authority record below: n 80017836 040 DLC ǂb eng ǂc DLC ǂd DLC ǂd OCoLC ǂd UPB 130 0Bible. ǂp O.T. ǂp Apocrypha. ǂp Esdras, 1st 430 0Esdras (Book 1,

Re: [RDA-L] Catholic deuterocanonical Biblical books

2011-05-09 Thread Laurence Creider
Mac, I suspect you have chosen the form intended by the RDA folks, but the form has no rationale. The problem here is the two rules (18A1 and 18A) contradict each other and therefore do not allow a decision to be reached on the basis of the rules. If RDA is intended to be international,