Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-12-03 Thread Cindy Wolff
Really? Has anyone out there in the industry even noticed? What *might* get noticed is a change in communication formats, but not in rules. This is what I have been thinking about for a while as I read these discussions: What if we gave a standard and nobody came, but some other powerful,

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-25 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Am 23.11.2013 17:55, schrieb Melissa Powell: ... There is no 'choice', the rules have changed. They *got* changed. This is the first step to compliance with the rest of the information industry. Really? Has anyone out there in the industry even noticed? What *might* get noticed is a

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-25 Thread ford davey
scratch? Ford Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:16:33 +0100 From: e...@biblio.tu-bs.de Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Am 23.11.2013 17:55, schrieb Melissa Powell: ... There is no 'choice', the rules have changed. They *got* changed

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-24 Thread James Weinheimer
On 11/23/2013 5:55 PM, Melissa Powell wrote: snip This cataloging consultant/trainer who works with small libraries is piping in. I am grateful for the price reduction for the rest of us--with the new pricing structure I can actually get RDA access to these small and rural libraries. On the

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-24 Thread Julie Moore
Weinheimer Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 5:42 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change On 11/23/2013 12:53 AM, J. McRee Elrod wrote: snip James said: Of course, when the time comes for retrospective conversion of the millions of records in that awful

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-24 Thread Melissa Powell
the choices and decisions so we aren't in the position of being dictated to by the vendors. We need to be one step ahead and learning, understanding, and creating. Melissa Original Message Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change From: Julie Moore julie.renee.mo

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-24 Thread James Weinheimer
On 11/24/2013 9:20 PM, Melissa Powell wrote: snip I think the best thing to do in all of this is look at the big picture. Smart discussions occurred when we began automating. What do we give up? The better question is, What does this change? Based on that you start looking at how the staff

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-23 Thread James Weinheimer
On 11/23/2013 12:53 AM, J. McRee Elrod wrote: snip James said: Of course, when the time comes for retrospective conversion of the millions of records in that awful, terrible legacy data ... Surely you jest. Most of our library clients prefer the awful terrible 'legacy data' to the strange (to

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-23 Thread Melissa Powell
-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of James Weinheimer Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 5:42 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change On 11/23/2013 12:53 AM, J. McRee Elrod wrote: snip James said: Of course, when the time comes for retrospective

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-23 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Melissa Powell said: There is no 'choice', the rules have changed. While there is no choice that we must cope with RDA records derived from national cataloguing agencies and bibliographic utilities, several choices do remain: 1) Will RDA be implemented for local original cataloguing? Many

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-22 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Isn't it amazing that *nobody* has commented on the new prices for the RDA Toolkit? Looking at http://www.rdatoolkit.org/content/2014pricechange, I had a short moment of mirth when I noticed that the symbol for the British pound is used for the Euro prices as well (let's wait and see whether

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-22 Thread Julie Moore
Are you serious?! This is outrageous! Do you know how difficult it was to lobby to get RDA Toolkit for our libraries in the first place? (Many administrators did not really see the need to move from AACR2 to RDA in the first place.) I thought the pricing was high before -- for a basic tool that

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-22 Thread Walker, Elizabeth
Libraries 1845 Fairmount St. Wichita, KS 67260-0068 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Julie Moore Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 9:16 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-22 Thread Abbas, June M.
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] on behalf of Walker, Elizabeth [lizzy.wal...@wichita.edu] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 9:25 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change What?!!! Thanks

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-22 Thread Breeding, Zora
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change Are you serious?! This is outrageous! Do you know how difficult it was to lobby to get RDA Toolkit for our libraries in the first place? (Many administrators did not really see the need to move from AACR2 to RDA in the first place.) I thought

[RDA-L] RE : [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-22 Thread Paradis Daniel
Objet : Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change I completely agree with Julie. Instead of considering whether to increase our number of users, we will most likely have to scale back to a bare minimum and hope we can still work efficiently. On that note, does anyone know if we can get usage statistics

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-22 Thread Christopher Cronin
@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change Are you serious?! This is outrageous! Do you know how difficult it was to lobby to get RDA Toolkit for our libraries in the first place? (Many administrators did not really see the need to move from AACR2

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-22 Thread Breeding, Zora
, November 22, 2013 9:41 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] RE : [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change You can access usage statistics through the Administartion System http://admin.rdatoolkit.org/. More information is available in the RDA Toolkit help. Daniel Paradis Bibliothécaire

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-22 Thread James Weinheimer
On 11/22/2013 4:29 PM, Abbas, June M. wrote: snip I would also like to note that LIS schools will now be charged for access to the Toolkit. In my case this will make it very difficult to provide access to the Toolkit for my students. I am not sure why ALA Publishing decided to require LIS

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-22 Thread Jack Wu
If the cost of changing that awful legacy data is prohibitively high, what good are all the wonderful things that cannot be fully implemented. Price change is one thing, product changes another. If the Toolkit continues to be unfinished, unstable, untried, what's to say how much, or little it

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-22 Thread J. McRee Elrod
James said: Of course, when the time comes for retrospective conversion of the millions of records in that awful, terrible legacy data ... Surely you jest. Most of our library clients prefer the awful terrible 'legacy data' to the strange (to them) RDA records. Our AACR2 compatible export is

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

2013-11-22 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Julie Moore posted: This pricing is going to squeeze libraries out of the market. Catalogers who cannot cough up this kind of money will either have to buy the paper and live with a far less superior version of RDA than the Toolkit ... or just catalog blindly without access to the rules. This is