Adam said:
Would they also send back a record with a 240 with the original title plus a
language for a translation when the original title doesn't appear on the
resource?
Yes, except for Shakespeare.
If you're gonna code a record as RDA, then I think you need to
dhere to the standard.
I cannot find that the current authority file. I assume it is a title
entry under 130
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 4:53 AM, Adger Williams awilli...@colgate.eduwrote:
I found Zhen'gao |K Selections |l English, as the uniform title/preferred
access point for a work that is a translation of the
Yes
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Gene Fieg gf...@cst.edu wrote:
I cannot find that the current authority file. I assume it is a title
entry under 130
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 4:53 AM, Adger Williams awilli...@colgate.eduwrote:
I found Zhen'gao |K Selections |l English, as the
Sorry. The AR in question is n 2013008942.
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Gene Fieg gf...@cst.edu wrote:
I cannot find that the current authority file. I assume it is a title
entry under 130
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 4:53 AM, Adger Williams awilli...@colgate.eduwrote:
I found Zhen'gao
Is that title entry under field 130 different from the one represented by
LC NAR entered under field 100:
LCCN: n 2013008942
100 1_ Tao, Hongjing, |d 452-536. |t Zhen gao. |k Selections.
|l English
then?
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Sorry, my fingers slipped.
The access point I am interested in is presented by this authority record.
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Hideyuki Morimoto hm2...@columbia.eduwrote:
Is that title entry under field 130 different from the one represented by
LC NAR entered under field 100:
25.09.2013 17:44, Jack Wu:
... after some length of time, will the rule become the
alternative again, and the alternative again become the rule? Will
East and West, in this case, English and German, ever meet? No
wonder there are endless change proposals and endless updating.
Try as I
Very interesting. Bernhard's last sentence says it all. If his prediction
holds, after some length of time, will the rule become the alternative again,
and the alternative again become the rule? Will East and West, in this case,
English and German, ever meet? No wonder there are endless change
Description and Access
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Jay Shorten posted:
Is it now RDA practice to enter the uniform title with articles?
RDA practice
24.09.2013 13:01, Danskin, Alan:
... JSC recognised that the omission
of the article is not good practice because the resulting title does not
accurately represent the resource and (more importantly) may render the
title ungrammatical in inflected languages.
That antiquated omission rule was
Is it now RDA practice to enter the uniform title with articles? Example: LCCN
2013002020 OCLC 828333810 has a 240 14 The new school counselor rather than 240
10 New school counselor
Jay Shorten
Cataloger, Monographs and Electronic Resources
Associate Professor of Bibliography
Catalog
, Jay
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Subject: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA
Is it now RDA practice to enter the uniform title with articles? Example: LCCN
2013002020 OCLC 828333810 has a 240 14 The new school counselor rather than 240
10 New school
I certainly have no answer for yet another RDA mystery.
My son who took a cataloging course this summer was thoroughly puzzled by
some of the language in RDA.
One big disappointment I've felt is that the 240 wasn't moved to 700
author-title. I'm wondering how we're going to explain this to
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I think not.
Stephen T. Early
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Subject: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA
Is it now RDA practice to enter the uniform title with articles? Example: LCCN
2013002020 OCLC 828333810 has a 240 14 The new school counselor rather than 240
10 New school counselor
Jay Shorten
Cataloger, Monographs and Electronic Resources
Jay Shorten posted:
Is it now RDA practice to enter the uniform title with articles?
RDA practice aside, this would not work in our present ILS's. We
should not create records without regard for what our patrons must now
use.
While most ILS have implemented the 245 filing indicator, I doubt
Hal Cain said:
Just what is the uniform title intended to do here? To serve as a
one-line identifier for what's being catalogued; to provide a linking
point for the work content; or to provide a linking point for the
expression embodied?
Unform titles were a great filing aid in card
Karen Coyle said:
RDA doesn't define a uniform title, but instead (well, I think of it
as instead) has title of the work.
It seems to me preferred title is the RDA core element which is most
like uniform title in AACR2. Except that it applies only to
distinctive uniform titles. What about
Mac said:
It seems to me preferred title is the RDA core element which is most
like uniform title in AACR2. Except that it applies only to
distinctive uniform titles. What about classical music form uniform
titles (the only 240s our clients like), and voluminous author form
uniform titles such
Anne Laguna schrieb:
I work for a regional public library service in Northern Australia, and
am probably out of the flow of things a bit, but: there has been a lot
of to-ing and fro-ing regarding the details of the RDA, and I am
interested to know what will happen to RDA if the LC decide 'they'
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J. McRee Elrod wrote:
I suspect that not only will RDA likely not be used outside the
library community (how many publishers will bother with a preferred
title?), many small libraries will find it far from their desires.
Well
At 01:23 PM 7/16/2009, michael.borr...@mail.cuny.edu wrote:
What are patrons looking for?
I feel that patrons are looking for the actual title on the
book. That does not mean that they might not look for the original
language title, but it's much more unlikely. So if there's a 240 or
a
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J. McRee Elrod
Bernhard Eversberg wrote:
I suspect that not only will RDA likely not be used outside the
library community (how many publishers will bother with a preferred
title?), many small libraries will find it far from their desires.
Well, Mac, you've listed some practicable and useful improvements of
16, 2009 6:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles
I think Mac is absolutely right about small libraries and RDA. And a
very big reason for that is the convoluted methods of availability--
which still have not been acted on or clarified. Current and previous
I'm surprised that they're attempting to determine a price point at all.
Then how would you propose they make it available? It won't have very much
value if it's not available for use.
Mike Tribby
Senior Cataloger
Quality Books Inc.
The Best of America's Independent Presses
Karen Coyle wrote:
I'm becoming more aware that RDA is a complex beast, and some parts of
it may be more desirable than others. I can't comment on the individual
rules, but in addition to rules on how to determine what data one
records, RDA is an attempt to implement FRBR. What that means
Mac Elrod wrote:
One difficulty I have with this whole section is that no distinction
is made (to speak in MARC) between uniform (aka preferred) title as
130 or 240, main (aka prime) entry or filing title.
Preferred title is given as a required element.
6.2.2 Preferred Title for the Work
Kevin M. Randall wrote:
In a way, we have always had what amounts to a preferred title in AACR2.
It's just not treated differently from the title proper. Using AACR2 in a
MARC 21 record, you don't need to record a 130 or 240 if the title proper of
the manifestation (245 $a/n/p) is exactly how
At 03:17 PM 7/15/2009, Deborah Fritz wrote:
Will it *really* matter if the title is repeated as Preferred title (PT) and
Title proper (TP) in a display, e.g.:
Personal Name: Twain, Mark, 1835-1910.
Uniform Title: Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
Main Title: The adventures of Huckleberry Finn / by
Current OPACs are indeed horribly broken, on that we can all agree. If
you have a point beyond this, I'm missing it?
Where we don't agree is that I think current data recording practices
are also pretty horribly broken in some places, making it unneccesarily
inconvenient or expensive to have
Kevin M. Randall wrote:
and processed in/between any given system(s). For this particular matter at
hand, it would be sufficient to have rules that automatically treat a 245
sans 130/240 as a uniform title, and create a discrete uniform title element
in the local database.
Couldn't that
PM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles
Ed Jones wrote:
Of course, in the interest of efficient machine mapping, wouldn't it
be
more sensible to record uniform titles (at least those that are
components of work or expression identifiers) in 1XX $t rather than
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