Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues. Quote problem fixed

2007-10-05 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Rinne, Nathan (ESC) wrote: I wonder if there is any chance that the BT, NT, and RT might be able to get incorporated into this in the future (again, the WW II, WW 2, World War II, World War 2 problem could get fixed this way) No problem at all - if only someone can provide the data. The

Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues

2007-10-04 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Rinne, Nathan (ESC) wrote: This seems like big news. I just checked out Google Book Search and saw their refine results at the bottom of the page. For the end-user with no access to the Big Red Books, what's now missing is only a browsable finding list of LCSH terms from where to launch a

Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues

2007-10-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
The best thing LC could do to encourage the continued relevancy of LCSH and LCC---from a cost-benefit perspecive, the thing they could do that woudl have the greatest effect with the least effort to them---is to make the entire LCSH and LCC authority corpus available for free in a structured

Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues

2007-10-04 Thread James Agenbroad
Thursday, September 4, 2005 Wide electronic distribution of the list/index of free floating LCSH subdivisions with instructions would also be helpful IMHO. But subject access--LCSH, LCC, Dewey decimal, Bliss, Cutter, UDC, etc.--though worthy topics may all be beyond the current scope of the

Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues

2007-10-04 Thread Karen Coyle
It seems like a very large file could be created from any very large database that indexes the headings. I know that when I worked on the MELVYL database the subject heading table in the database had many tens of millions of unique entries. Of course, WorldCat would yield the largest set, but

Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues

2007-10-04 Thread Karen Coyle
Rinne, Nathan (ESC) wrote: to page 4, and all of a sudden, up at the top, it reads Books 31 - 38 of 38! What happened to the 215 books ) I suspect this is the result of their de-duping. They do this also with web pages, but it's less obvious. With web pages, they retrieve 1000 pages

Re: headings and user friendly catalogues

2007-10-03 Thread Philip Davis
It is five minutes to midnight in England and it will no doubt be very early on Wednesday before this is sent, but I want to mention something about faceted classification following on from Karen Coyle's posting. At the first public meeting of the Library of Congress's Working Group on the

Metadata communities and harmonization; (was Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues)

2007-10-03 Thread Flack, Irvin
Philip Davis wrote: Irvin Flack refers to my use of 'metadata community.' I realise that this is not a perfect description any more than 'traditional cataloguing community.' It is a rough and ready label which I believe is recognised as such by those with whom I have been corresponding on this

RV: [RDA-L] Metadata communities and harmonization; (was Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues)

2007-10-03 Thread Xavier Agenjo
: Headings and user friendly catalogues) Philip Davis wrote: Irvin Flack refers to my use of 'metadata community.' I realise that this is not a perfect description any more than 'traditional cataloguing community.' It is a rough and ready label which I believe is recognised as such by those with whom I

Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues

2007-10-02 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
Jonathan Rochkind wrote: ... the general belief in the metadata community is that it is preferable to use dumb identifiers to refer to entities, rather than English language headings. This belief becomes conviction when the language of your catalog is not English and you are dreaming of

Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues

2007-10-02 Thread Flack, Irvin
In my analysis, I do not agree that this is one of the main contentions. I do not personally see a significant number of people in the 'metadata community' thinking that controlled vocabularly can or should be abolished. I agree with Jonathan's comments on the keywords/controlled vocabulary

Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues

2007-10-02 Thread Rinne, Nathan (ESC)
Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Jones Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 5:41 PM To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Headings and user friendly catalogues If any evidence was wanted for the continuing value of controlled

Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues

2007-10-02 Thread J. McRee Elrod
.. it is preferable to use dumb identifiers to refer to entities, rather than English language headings. B. Eversong: This belief becomes conviction when the language of your catalog is not English and you are dreaming of library service without borders. Hence the VIAF idea. Class numbers

Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues

2007-10-02 Thread Ed Jones
: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:21 AM To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Headings and user friendly catalogues This seems like big news. I just checked out Google Book Search and saw their refine results at the bottom of the page. For example, I did a search for knowledge

Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues

2007-10-02 Thread Rinne, Nathan (ESC)
] Headings and user friendly catalogues .. it is preferable to use dumb identifiers to refer to entities, rather than English language headings. B. Eversong: This belief becomes conviction when the language of your catalog is not English and you are dreaming of library service without borders

Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues

2007-10-02 Thread Karen Coyle
Philip Davis wrote: I thank all who have so far responded to my message. I am both delighted and astonished to read Jonathan Rochkind's statement that 'I do not personally see a significant number of people in the 'metadata community' thinking that controlled vocabulary can or should be

Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues

2007-10-02 Thread John Larson
Regarding Philip's original statement (and building on Karen's comments), I think the real charm of a total lack of vocabulary control is harnessing the swarm to do your indexing for you. Letting the public index resources is really only feasible with a bare minimum of constraints on what they

Re: Headings and user friendly catalogues

2007-10-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
One of the main bones of contention between the metadata community and the traditional cataloguing community is whether authorized headings or merely keywords should be used. In my analysis, I do not agree that this is one of the main contentions. I do not personally see a significant