Re: Wrong model--entity relationship?

2007-07-04 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Karen Coyle said: Could you explain how authority work records would take care of the FRBR Group 1 entities? That might be a nifty solution if it could be made to work. (There's nothing that says that the FRBR entities must be expressed in the bibliographic record, at least not yet.)

Re: Wrong model--entity relationship?

2007-07-03 Thread Karen Coyle
Martha Yee wrote: We need a model that recognizes that many works important to our users are identified by BOTH their authors and their titles. We need a model that recognizes that the author is more important as an attribute of a work than as an entity in its own right. Catalogs are

Re: Wrong model--entity relationship?

2007-07-03 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Karen Coyle said: The entities in a model like FRBR are just the things you are going to work with. For example, in AACR and MARC we have names; in the former they are headings (authors, added authors) ... Such over simplification worries me, perhaps because models we have seen of possible

Re: Wrong model--entity relationship?

2007-07-03 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle Sent: July 3, 2007 11:11 AM To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Wrong model--entity relationship? Martha Yee wrote: We

Re: Wrong model--entity relationship?

2007-07-03 Thread Stephen Hearn
From an optimistic and possibly naive perspective, here's how I see our terms sorting out. Entities are conceptual things whose primary characteristic is their uniqueness within a given ontological domain. You can have multiple names for an entity, but not two entities which are truly the same

Wrong model--entity relationship?

2007-07-02 Thread Martha Yee
When FRBR first came out, we approved, because it was the first time there had been an attempt to standardize the definitions of work and edition that we had been using for hundreds of years, and we thought these definitions would help us communicate more effectively with system design people.

Re: Wrong model--entity relationship?

2007-07-02 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On Jul 2, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Martha Yee wrote: Can anyone on this list point us to working entity-relationship model applications accessible over the web in which we can see one entity being used in the user-readable string that identifies another entity in all displays (both lists and single