Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-26 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Thomas Brenndorfer said: In several early chapters in RDA there is only a thin blue line separating the movement from manifestation attributes to item attributes, and from work attributes to expression attributes. For an example of a boundary, see the blue separator Other Identifying

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-26 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
26.11.2012 12:17, James Weinheimer: Let's face it: the FRBR structure is bizarre and difficult even for trained catalogers to grasp. ... and to apply consistently end efficiently. The FRBR user tasks are from an earlier time, and in any case, the public hasn't been able to do them since

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-26 Thread Adger Williams
snip Anyway, I really don't like this speculating around in this list with no input from those who should know more and might easily resolve errors in our wild guesses. Can this be called a discussion list? It is rather another Speakers' Corner, inconsequential at the end of the day. Not the first

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-25 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
24.11.2012 11:37, Heidrun Wiesenmüller: ... BIBFRAME simply _must_ be able to model RDA data in the necessary granularity and specificity. That should indeed go without saying. And besides, it ought to be integrated with RDA documentation as well, so as to enable linking in both directions.

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-25 Thread Adam L. Schiff
One of the first things I noticed was the example that showed Tunnel books as a subject. While this may reflect (incorrect) MARC 21 coding as 650, the resource/work being described is clearly not ABOUT tunnel books, it IS a tunnel book. The correct MARC coding of course would be either 655

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-24 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced Posted to Bibframe: http://www.loc.gov/marc/transition/pdf/marcld-report-11-21-2012.pdf Creative Work - a resource reflecting a conceptual essence of the cataloging item. Instance - a resource reflecting

Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced

2012-11-24 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] BIBFRAME model document announced This is indeed rather unsettling. Funnily enough, they even take the FRBR report (1997 text, in the English version) as their example to show what BIBFRAME might look like (p. 16ff). But one wonders whether