Hi Phil,
PB Been trying (on off) to get onto AltME Rebol Rebol-view worlds
PB for the last couple of days. All I get is connect to network.
Did you upgrade a while back when they moved things? If not, try
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Anton et al,
AR It is better to keep the final slash for a directory, in
AR my opinion.
In which case, we'd want to make sure that the slash is *always*
there, correct? Anyone care to cast their votes about how this should
behave? I'll be glad to collect results and pass them on to RT.
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Hi Philippe,
llff 1/ how is it possible to get a brief listing of objects and functions including
llff in a script ? Parsing, testing word? or another not documented method ?
Something like this?
mark-my-words: context [
init: does [query/clear system/words]
dump: does [
print
Hi Tom,
TF it would sure be nice to have call, encryption, etc, in
TF rebol/core.
TF is a core/pro version in the works? Why not?
Do you want it in Core so it's free, or so you don't have the overhead
of Command/View? If the latter, you can get the SDK and use the /Pro
kernel; if the former,
Hi Arie,
AvW since I am creating a REBOL program with a GUI, I needed to implement a menu
AvW structure.
In addition to DocKimbel's work, I believe Frank Sievertsen did a menu
style (look for the FX5 folder in the View Desktop). The most recent,
and perhaps most complete, is Cyphre's terrific
Hi Cyphre,
C I'd like to add that If anoyne is interested to just use(and test) my
C prototype styles feel free to contact me and I'll send latest style
C package...
C But before I put my efforts to do this I'd like to know if anyone is
C interested...
Maybe you could hook up with Sunanda
Hi Alain,
AG I tried to follow your advice and replace the insert key with Ctrl + i
AG A strange bug happens (is it REBOL or my machine?):
AG The Ctrl + i combination returns the tab key code ( #^- ) :
It's REBOL. You need to use events, where you can see if the ctrl key
is pressed, to
Ladislav et al
You mean, you think refinements, even if specified after /local,
should still become the function's refinements ?
LM I think they do.
Wow. I didn't know that. My gut reaction is to agree with Gabriele
about what standard style we should use but, if this is legal, it
means HELP
Hi Hallvard,
HY Many computers calculate their time as the number of milliseconds
HY since January 1, 1970. How do I get that number out of rebol's
HY date! or time!?
1000 * to decimal! difference now/precise 01-jan-1970
== 1084647682996
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Hi Gabriele,
GS The interpreter has never been doing things in any particular way.
GS That is, /LOCAL is just a refinement, like /ALL would, or /WITH,
GS etc. Carl just decided, as a convention, to use the refinement
GS named /LOCAL to define local words; so HELP is just following this
GS
Good thoughts, all, on this subject! It seemed like an easy thing to
address but, once again, REBOL's flexibility (and our potential
creativity) make it a topic deserving deeper consideration.
I like the idea of not changing things. :)
I like consistency.
I like the idea of hidden interfaces.
Karim et al
KEF ...even with the two new PalmOS releases wich are very powerfull.
I think RT has said in the past that the limitation on Palm OS was the
memory space an app could use. If the newer versions remove that
limitation, then we need to get RT the info they need to reevaluate
the
Hi All,
Just recently Sunanda posted his message about tagging the ML index at
REBOL.org. In the short time since, the tag team (Peter Wood,
Christian Ensel, and Sunanda -- did I miss anyone?) have pushed the
number of tagged threads over the 1,200 mark!
It's not only amazing, it's helpful to
GI Just recently Sunanda posted his message about tagging the ML index at
GI REBOL.org. In the short time since, the tag team (Peter Wood,
GI Christian Ensel, and Sunanda -- did I miss anyone?) ...
I missed Gerard Cote! Sorry Gerard!
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Thanks for posting all the info! I agree that this looks like a great
opportunity and, while I can't promise any real commitment, I'm going
to put it on my (ever growing :) to do stack.
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Hi Tim,
TJ I found an unhandled exception in
TJ REBOL/Core 2.5.5.4.2 (linux)
TJ Here's the example:
form [one ^two three] ;; oops! forgot the closing quote
TJ ;; on item 2
TJ ** Syntax Error: Missing at form [one ^two three]
TJ ** Near: ** CRASH (Should not
Hi Carlos,
CL I am thinking about to use REBOL /Core and /View as tools for scriptting
CL in a Linux distro I am helping to develop.
CL I would like to know if it is legal or not do distribute REBOLthis way
Rather than trusting us, here, you should ask RT directly. I think
you're OK to
Hi Giuseppe,
GC Do you think that a REBOL for .NET would be possible ? It will
GC surely open the door to any hardware which has a .NET framework
GC available !
It's very unlikely. .NET compiles down to an internal IL (Intermediate
Language) to run on their VM; REBOL is purely interpreted. RT
Hi Peter,
PWW Isn't the real question about REBOL and .net as to when (rather than
PWW if) View/Pro.net will provide access to .net frameworks and the like?
I wouldn't think so, but I don't profess to know much. :) Universal
interop mechanisms seem a better route for REBOL than more platform
Hi Roland,
Wow! That's great stuff! I'm always amazed at what people like you,
Cyphre, Oldes, and others are able to coax out of the current REBOL
interpreter. Nice work.
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Hi Brian,
BH Give me an idea of what you have in mind (script, tutorial, essay)
BH and I'll do what I can. I've been writing installer scripts of
BH various forms since the Win 3.1 days and I'd be interested in an
BH excuse to see what changes the last couple of years have brought.
For
Excellent info Brian,
Can we add it to REBOL.org somewhere (with due credit of course)?
If people think that would be a good thing, could a couple other
people review it as well?
Thanks!
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Hi Brian,
Thanks very much! It would be really terrific if you could do your
review and coordinate a couple other volunteers (anyone willing?) then
give us a ping when you think it's ready.
I'll also take any input you have as I'm working on an installer
project, and I do have the SDK.
Thanks
Hi Scott,
JS In retrospect, the point I failed to make is that when cutting and pasting
JS into a REBOL command line session, one can run into formatting issues.
AH, yes! A truly excellent point! Very, very important indeed.
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Hi Kai,
KP You see me confused, for the script works well with 'my' formatting (am
KP coming from C and Pascal and have always wanted my braces and begin/end
KP pairs lined up nicely). I thought I read somewhere that REBOL is very
KP lenient when it comes to white space etc. including CR/LF
Hi Tom,
TF if I have a script, say, blap.r, that has a function,
TF a: func['b 'c] [blah blah]
TF how can I, from bash (my shell) execute something like,
TF $ blap.r b c
Put a shebang line at the top of your script, including the -c option
to tell REBOL to run in CGI mode, then just PRINT your
Hi Stuart,
Tom gave you the best general answer, using REPEAT *around* the calls
you want to make, so I'll just chime in with a note.
Disks are faster these days, but you probably don't want to use WRITE
repeatedly if you're going to be making ten thousand calls that way.
Instead, build up a
Hi Stuart,
Addendum to my last post. I made a note about CLEAR, but not that I
didn't use COPY in the func. If you plan to keep the values around and
work on them, you can add it to the func, or use COPY on the results.
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Hi Max,
MOA especially since we often insert a probe within a line to get
MOA status at that moment, like just before an assignment... dump-bin
MOA would break that behaviour.
It shouldn't, unless I'm missing something. What it displays and what
it returns are two different things.
MOA that
Hi Stuart,
M I have a series of times which represents session durations of users.
M They are in the format dd:hh:mm
M What I want to figure out is how long the average session takes.
This is a good example of something that could be done many different
ways in REBOL (like a lot of things :).
Hi Anton, Andreas, et al
AR I'd like probe to remain the simple function
AR that it is. Something beautiful about it.
I agree that simple is beautiful; if we can simplify all the code
that uses this functionality, even at the expense of a little added
complexity inside, that's a gain IMO. Of
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Hi Anton,
AR Please consider that molded code should be able to be
AR loaded back by rebol. So I say no.
AR I have no real objection to including dump-bin named as is
AR though.
Are you saying that because that's how PROBE currently works
(i.e. the molded result is exactly what is displayed)?
Hi Tony,
ABC I'm sure this is an FAQ (so apologies in advance), but I haven't found an
ABC answer in any of the FAQs. Is there an interactive way of debugging
ABC REBOL, or any way beyond adding print statements?
Check out the TRACE function. Be aware that it can produce *volumes*
of output
Jaime,
*Very* nice! Thanks for posting it!
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Hi Paul,
Two more hints for you.
pbc ...Since, as Arie was kind enough to point out, clear is a
pbc reserved word in Rebol I changed it to cls so that it is now
pbc cls: does [prin ^L].
The important one is HELP; i.e. the HELP function in REBOL. If you
aren't sure whether a word has been
Hi Christophe,
CC 'bind could perhaps solve a context problem I'm facing.
CC Could anyone give me some example of use of 'bind and 'bind/copy,
CC and the reason to use this solution ?
I'll just add to Volker's reply a bit.
One of the places I've found BIND to be most useful is with dialects.
Hi Paul,
Thanks for your posts! It's good for us to get a view from the
outside when new people come in. Please do use this list as a
resource to help you in your work with REBOL. We all learn when people
ask questions here.
Your post inspired me to write a bit here, if you'll bear with me, and
Hi Tim,
type? /home/http/run/cohen/birds
TJ == /birds
TJ /birds is obviously not a type.
TYPE? is looking at /home, and seeing it as a refinement! value. Then
the others are all refinements as well, and you see the value of the
last one returned.
reduce [ /home/http/run/cohen/birds]
==
Hi Tim,
TJ (again my opinion):
TJ a call to type? should either return a
TJ valid type name or throw some kind
TJ of an exception.
It does. See Joel's example:
reduce [type? /home/http/run/cohen/birds]
== [refinement! /http /run /cohen /birds]
You mentioned that on Linux, paths
Hi Oldes,
Another awesome reblet! Thanks!
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Hi Paul,
pbc In Rebol/View's desktop when I click on GoTo, and enter an URL, Rebol
pbc adds index.r to the end of whatever I have entered. For example if I
pbc enter www.mywebsite.com Rebol turns it into www.mywebsite.com/index.r.
pbc How do I get Rebol to stop adding the index.r to what I
Hi Philippe,
llff How parse a html file containing some tr.../tr blocks like :
...
llff BUT just keep tr../tr blocks containing specific strings like KO and
llff reform the html file with them inside original table.../table.
Something like this?
rules: [
any [
copy text thru tr
Hi Maarten,
MK I tested it some more, and it works like a charm! Thanks for the
MK time-saver. Especially the fact that it works modulo (max value of the
MK supplied binary) is really nice.
Great! I wasn't sure if I had overlooked something, or if it was what
you wanted. I won't spend time on
Hi Maarten,
I know I have other things to be doing :), but this kept coming up in my
mind...wondering if doing binary math on bitsets would work.
The following is very much a proof-of-concept, but it might be an idea
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Hi Bruno,
BGA So, I am working on one project where I will need a way to create
BGA modules of Rebol code that will be loaded by a main script. How would I
BGA go about loading those modules from disk in a way that would be easy to
BGA access that code in the main script?
If you have the
Hi Mauro,
MF Though none has shown any interest in the project 8).
Yeah, that happens sometimes. We all get busy with other things.
MF So, where do you think is the best place to upload/publish the unifinished
MF code?
REBOL.org is a great place to put it, even if it's unfinished. Just
make
Hi Max,
MOA does anyone know how to get the images which are used for filetypes associations
MOA ?
Under Windows you'd probably need COM access to get at the
IExtractIcon interface in the Shell extension system. Since we can't
do COM, that method is out. You might be able to do it another way,
Hi Pawel,
P I'm going to write an FTP upload handler in REBOL.
P Do you guys have any experience in that field?
If you search for FTP on REBOL.org, you'll get about 38 results
currently. They're likely to have some good hints in them, but also be
aware that FTP isn't the easiest/most-reliable
Hi Oldes,
r Now just how to count MD5 on file with size like 600MB :(
Worth sending RT a feedback suggestion that CHECKSUM be enhanced to
operate against files. Alternately, maybe they could add a refinement
to let us feed it in chunks.
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Hi Bruno,
Subtracting dates gives you a difference in days, not seconds.
now
== 24-Mar-2004/8:17:21-7:00
now - 1
== 23-Mar-2004/8:17:23-7:00
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Ladislav and Volker,
Good thing you guys were here to catch me! I had a definite huh?
moment when I saw Volker's message, then saw that I had a
completely different train of thought when I read the original
message. My brain said that the error was from global use of indice after
the loop was
Hi Giuseppe,
GC I have found this undocumentend behaviour:
GC for indice 1 10 1 [esterno]
GC Rebol tell me that indice is not initalized but it is ! This word seems to
GC remain local to the for loop.
Yes, FOREACH and REPEAT work the same way. FOR is a mezzanine, so you
can see how it
Hi Alan,
First, thanks for all your detective work on RANDOM! Wow!
I did a few quick hacks against your function (as I added to my
storehouse of handy things :), and then I thought maybe it would be
useful to share my thoughts with the list.
Please don't take these comments as criticism, just
Max, Robert, et al
(pardon any disjointed-ness, this was composed in small pieces and
spare moments)
Sunanda and I are both very busy for the next few weeks, but we'll
keep track of the suggestions made here regarding REBOL.org, so keep
them coming.
MOA so far, it seems to me that rebolers
Hi Luke,
L CitrusWeb v02e (BETA) is released for your enjoyment.
Thanks for posting that! Looks very cool.
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Hi Greg,
BG Where are things like open/lines/direct documented? If I execute 'help
BG open' I can see 'open/lines' and 'open/direct' but no the
BG 'open/lines/direct'. How is a newcomer to this language supposed to 'know'
BG these things?
Max gave you a good general answer, so I'll just add
Hi Erik,
JEI How do I get a script to send its output back to the dos window it was
JEI called from?
You need to use the CGI switch (-c) to tell REBOL to redirect its
output that way.
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Hi Tom,
TC I belive that works everywhere _but_ windows,
TC the lack of response from
C:\rebol\viewrebol -c --doprint {foo}
TC seems to confirm it,
Right, you'd have to pipe it somewhere in the DOS window. e.g.
C:\rebol\view\rebol -c --do print {foo} quit | more
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BG Wow! I actually had now clue you could do thatI was likening
BG refinements to method callsSo even on user created functions you can
BG 'chain' or 'pipeline' your refinements?
Yes, though they aren't really pipelined other than syntactically.
They can be given in any
Hi Philippe,
llff browse and browse/only have the same behavior.
I think this is a known bug, but I don't recall very seeing a
work-around posted for it. Sorry.
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Hi Charles,
Your declares all look OK to me, based on a quick scan. If you're
trying to *receive* a Windows message--that's my guess, based on the
'switch statement in the C++ example--you'll need to use the system
port in REBOL. It doesn't work with View windows yet, only the console
AR I appreciate the time taken to make these
AR tests Andreas, and Maarten, well, you're just
AR too good to be true.
I'd like to second and third that! Very much appreciated!
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Hi Bo,
Someone did some X10 stuff a while back, but I don't know what
Firecracker is to know how it relates. I can try to dig it up if you
want.
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Hi Andreas,
AB sounds interesting. if you know a bit about java i'd suggest having a
AB look on jgoodies forms (http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/forms/) which
AB is by far the best layout engine i've ever worked with. may be
AB inspiring ...
Might have to look into that. The Mullet and Sano
Hi Yos,
AT I try many hacks to the code to not have the problem but
AT without succes. How have you think about hide the do-events line ?
If your app is already handling events (e.g. by calling VIEW), you
don't need to call DO-EVENTS again. It can cause problems because you
then basically have
Hi yos,
Just remove the do-events call from your show-menu code and you should
be fine I think.
What is the reason you do this to set show-menu:
show-menu: get in context
[ show-menu: func
[ ...
?
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Found this in a series of notes on Perl6.
...Austin [Hastings] thinks that Perl 6's main 'cultural' impact will be
grammars, arguing that in 10 years time 'getting coders to stop parsing
characters, getting them instead to think, code, and word in terms of
sentences or paragraphs will be
Hi Robbie,
To explain Gabriele's suggestion a bit...
The idea is that you store the layout spec block in your object, so
it's just a block of data, not a face yet. The call to LAYOUT, which
creates the face, is deferred until you need to view it.
It might be a bit much if you're new to REBOL,
Hi Bruno,
BGA So, I have this application that have 2 windows and I want to trap the
BGA 'close event on them. I am doing something like this:
I hope a real VID guru will correct me where I err, but I think FACE
is always going to be the screen-face in an event function. What you
want to use
Hi Paul,
PT Seems to be a consensus developing. Is this how other languages handle this
PT issue also?
Basically, yes. That is, this is a basic scenario. If you're writing
some kind of event-driven system (e.g. a GUI framework), sometimes
there are more complex interactions. For example, under
Hi Gerard,
Thanks for all the effort you're putting into this. I hope to have
time...before too long, to contribute to this project as well, from
the REBOL.org side.
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Hi Paul,
PT I'm a big confused on 'recycle. How often should it be used -
PT such as should it be called in a large forever loop where you
PT might have a lot of set-word values that you are unsetting? Or
PT will this cause a performance hit from that forever loop?
Using recycle will
Hi Maxim,
MOA handling of an icon drag from the desktop to a view window
MOA possible (even if deftly obscure).
Not possible at this time. RT knows about it, but hasn't committed to
it for 1.3 AFAIK.
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Hi Rod,
RG I'm wondering if there is any chance that we will see a
RG Mac OS X port of View sometime soon? Does anyone
RG have any insight to share on this?
No insight here, but I imagine a lot of folks are hoping the View 1.3
project is a sign of life for it. No official word from RT on it
AC use guest and guest as password/go to accounts and tell them your
AC user name/the password you want to use/it will be mailed to you
AC and once you login you can change the password.
To clarify, there is no GUEST account on the REBOL-View world at this
time, but there is one on the REBOL
Hi Patrick,
ppln A lot of things are going on in the Rebol world, and the list is
ppln barely aware of it.
ppln I have discovered recently http://www.rebol.net/projects/view1.3/.
ppln Every thing seems to be on AltME now, whith very little echo
ppln here and the weblog is very difficult to
Hi Carl,
CR Maybe someone should write a tutorial dialect?
Oooohhh...yeah. :)
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Hi Gerard,
I don't have time to think deeply about your suggestions, or respond
well, right now, but I'll flag your message for use in our discussions
about how to improve REBOL.org and community resources in general.
Thanks!
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Arie et al
Interactive, dynamic, tutorials can be great, I agree. I'd rather do
it with pure REBOL than AVI though. There are a few examples of people
doing this kind of presentation system in REBOL (Carl's presentation
app, EasyVID, Brett's play app that sends commands to other reblets,
etc.).
Thanks Ashley!
I can't wait to check it out.
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Hi Maxim,
MOA Would rebol.org be inclined to hosting the cgi environment for me
MOA to build up a simple user-entry form for any view-related
MOA information (with a user-rating)?
I think yes. Docs are something RT really wants to improve, so put
your thinking cap on, but maybe start by
Hi Philippe,
llff datas in block looks like :
llff user1 01-01-2004 08:07 test1
llff ...
llff I want to get after my loop result (block ? array ??) by day,
llff and classified by unique names and number of occurrence with
llff them like :
llff 01-01-2004 [ user1 3 user2 1]
llff
Hi Andreas,
AB What is the utility of 'bind? No, I don't necessarily mean the typical
AB cases where bind is needed to prevent errors. What I'm really thinking
AB about are situations, where REBOL's behaviour regarding contexts and
AB bind is actually contributing towards an elegant solution for
Hi Max,
MOA Does the return value indicate if the event should be passed
MOA along to the next event handler? or anything of the like...
Yes. You are hooking into an event chain so you must return the event
itself. e.g.
insert-event-func func [face event] [
print [event/1 event/2 event/3
Hi Ashley,
AT What I was hoping is that there might be an easy way to answer the
AT question, Which words in the global context are not being used, and can
AT they be unset safely?.
The best way is to get the SDK and only include the parts you need
with the kernel of your choice. Barring that,
Very nice Cyphre!
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Hi Christophe,
CC We need a set of XML-access functions to produce, view, edit
CC complex XML-documents from our project and from external sources.
In addition to quickparser.r, the library contains:
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=rblxelparser.r
Gavin
Hi Evan,
EH Does anyone know how to make the VIEW widgets displayed in
EH Windows environments visible to my software.
EH Most windows buttons, text boxes, etc. are visible to my
EH voice recognition software, but VIEW's are not. The alt-key letter
EH is usually underscorred too.
You can't
Hi Behrang,
BS - How can I build I18N user interfaces. Absolute
BS positioning makes it difficult to have I18N
BS applications.
One of the great things about VID is that you don't need to use
absolute positioning. Using facets like ACROSS, BELOW, and GUIDE will
allow you to create nice layouts
Hi Behrang,
BS Where can I find some online dialecting tutorial?
Brett Handley has written a PARSE tutorial:
http://www.codeconscious.com/rebol/parse-tutorial.html
though it may not be what you had in mind as a dialecting tutorial.
The Core docs have good info on PARSE as well. One of the
Hi Maxim,
MOA can you guys give me some of your tricks to improve refresh
MOA speeds in any interactive apps?
Don't refresh on every mouse move. Romano and Gabriele's EAT
event-compressor approach can work well, but you can try other things
as well (e.g. refresh based on a timer).
You can
Hi Max,
MOA my computer gives me 17 frames a second... but this should be
MOA like 2...
MOA I mean, one line on a plain background.
Big faces are slow to refresh; that's all there is to it. Whether
you've got a plain background or not--of course adding lots of effects
will slow things
Hi Paul,
PT Actually, RT does maintain a bug list from the Feedback's. Maybe its not in
PT their interests to publish that even though it would be of great interest to
PT us. I think as long as anyone finds a bug they copy it to this list we can
PT at least search for it.
A while back, a few
Hi Gabriele,
GS BTW, on newer version of REBOL, if you're making the object from
GS the THIRD of another object, you should use CONSTRUCT.
Excellent point!
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Hi Max,
MOA the 'third attribute of an object incorrectly changes some
MOA datatypes.
See Gabriele's note, a few messages back, about using CONSTRUCT.
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Hi Chris,
CS Does the same hold true for write/binary?
You've gotten answers to this, but I'll add that one of the great
benefits of REBOL is its wide array of datatypes. Using them
effectively will make a big difference in how you use REBOL--not to
mention how you think and feel about it. :)
Sunanda et al
Sac 256 bits isn't enough for a bit-per-day for a whole year. We need
Sac two bitmaps.
You can do it with one.
bitset: make bitset! 368
loop 200 [insert bitset random 367]
s: copy
repeat i 368 [append s to integer! find bitset i - 1]
print s
available?: func [bitset len] [
Hi Luke,
You already got some solutions; I'll just add some comments.
L I'm trying to dynamically add and remove words from an
L object...I know I could dynamically reconstruct it from scratch,
L but that is not very elegant. There must be a better way...
Not really. The issue lies in the fact
Hi Luke,
L I dont understand Gregg what you mean when you say
L the context of an object isnt dynamic. It probably goes
L beyond my current level of understanding of how REBOL
L works.
It just means that once you create an object, you can't add or remove
words from its context (words bound to
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