Re: Catholic Charities Issue

2006-03-12 Thread Steven Jamar
It is not a zero-sum game.  The Us or Them mentality is the true intolerance.Requiring religious institutions doing secular activities to comply with secular rules is not persecution.  Medical treatment and adoption services and education are secular activities.Sure, one can complain about the

RE: Catholic Charities Issue

2006-03-12 Thread Douglas Laycock
Rick asks: "Who else has a political agenda that targets the ordinary activities (such as adoption ministries and health benefits)of mainstream religious institutions and turns these ministries into unlawful acts." Answer: Land useplanners. On the conflict between sexual liberty and

RE: Catholic Charities Issue

2006-03-12 Thread Rick Duncan
Doug is right--land use planners also target the ordinary activities of mainstream religious ministries that are merely trying to worship or do good works. But one difference is that zoning laws don't stigmatize ministries as outlaws whose activities and programs are contrary to the law and

RE: Catholic Charities Issue

2006-03-12 Thread Christopher C. Lund
Perhaps there is also a linkage between gay rights and religious liberty in the sense that both are largely about identity. Precisely because religious and sexual identity are not entirely immutable (although neither seems to be wholly a matter of unconstrained choice), the government can

Re: Catholic Charities Issue

2006-03-12 Thread Hamilton02
It has absolutely nothing to do with religious activities, but rather the intensity of the use of land. I haven't met someone opposed to a religious project yet that could have cared less whether it was a religious project or an automotive repair shop. First, those opposedare invariably

Re: Catholic Charities Issue

2006-03-12 Thread Hamilton02
Rick- I would have thought you would not fall into this sort of either/or reasoning given that it implicates the free market. There is a free market in the provision of services, including charitable services,and if a religious organization drops out, others will step in. To think that the

RE: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-12 Thread Newsom Michael
The right thing to do? I am not so sure. You did say that some children will suffer. Is that a good thing? Oops. This discussion probably belongs off-list. From: Rick Duncan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 11:15 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law

RE: Catholic Charities Issue

2006-03-12 Thread Newsom Michael
But the Religious Right Catholic, Protestant and otherwise insists that gay people CAN be reasonably asked to live celibate lives, if they cannot live heterosexual lives. I merely wish to point out that some deny the equivalence that you posit. I am not saying that I agree or disagree

Re: Catholic Charities Issue

2006-03-12 Thread David E. Guinn
One should, of course, never say never. The conflict in the Chicago suburbs of a few years ago was over the takeover of a community center by a mosque. No one could have possibly argued that the "use" by the mosque was in any way more disruptive than its use as a community center -- except