Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com

2008-12-03 Thread Joel Sogol
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Re: Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com

2008-12-03 Thread Paul Finkelman
The really interesting aspect of this is the way in undermines religion for those who take it seriously.  Does this mean that IF there is a terrorist attack in KY that God no longer cares about Kentucky?  GW Bush was arguably the most religious president to ever sit in the office; lof of good

Sending Good News Club Fliers Home With Students

2008-12-03 Thread James Maule
FYI, for what it's worth, perhaps of interest to someone writing about this issue. (Haverford Township is in Delaware County, just to the west of Philadelphia). Jim Maule Villanova University School of Law From http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/35457869.html Selected portions:

RE: Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com

2008-12-03 Thread Ed Brayton
In Georgia last year, Gov. Sonny Perdue held a public meeting to, as he put it, pray up a storm to help the drought and it worked. Kind of. There was a big storm the next day in Northern Georgia and Tennessee that brought more than an inch of rain. Unfortunately, it didn't do much to help the

RE: Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com

2008-12-03 Thread Paul Finkelman
Might prove that God does not want politicians using his name to further their own ambitions. Shades of Roger Williams Paul Finkelman President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law Albany Law School 80 New Scotland Avenue Albany, NY 12208 518-445-3386 (p) 518-445-3363 (f)

Re: Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com

2008-12-03 Thread Jean Dudley
One small clarification; the good professor mentions Roger Williams' followers, whipped and jailed in Virginia. It's ironic to remember that Roger Williams himself defended a woman against her husband for soul freedom, founded the first Baptist Church in America in Providence, RI--and

Re: Sending Good News Club Fliers Home With Students

2008-12-03 Thread Douglas Laycock
I think this has already been litigated in the Third Circuit, and the school district lost. Child Evangelism Fellowship v. Stafford Township School District, 386 F.3d 514 (3d Cir. 2004) (Alito, J.). It's only an appeal from a preliminary injunction, but on a very quick skim, it looks like

RE: Sending Good News Club Fliers Home With Students

2008-12-03 Thread James Maule
Yes, Doug, the full article mentions the Third Circuit case you cite. An interesting aspect of this case, and many others raising First Amendment issues in the school context, is how school officials and employees don't seem to know what the law permits, requires, or prohibits. The district

Re: Sending Good News Club Fliers Home With Students

2008-12-03 Thread FRAP428
The problem is that school law (as it is typically denominated in schools of education) is not a required course for pre-service teachers. My students are all prospective administrators required to take it as graduate course. They all (or virtually all) say that the course should be required

RE: Sending Good News Club Fliers Home With Students

2008-12-03 Thread Saperstein, David (RAC)
Or folks can urge the Obama Education Department to update and reissue the religious guidelines that for several years the Clinton administration sent out widely across the country - guidelines based on the consensus views of a coalition representing a broad range of viewpoints on church-state

RE: Sending Good News Club Fliers Home With Students

2008-12-03 Thread Gordon James Klingenschmitt
Here's a related victory for evangelicals and good news clubs in public schools, by Liberty Counsel and Mat Staver In Jesus name, Chaplain Klingenschmitt --- LibertyCounsel December 3, 2008 After-School Christian Club Wins Battle

RE: Sending Good News Club Fliers Home With Students

2008-12-03 Thread Marc Stern
The No Child Left Behind Act mandated a set of religion in school guidelines which were prepared unilaterally by DOJ and DOE without any outside input.(I had submitted a FOIA request for outsiders' comments.There were none.)The NCLB act is deficient, however, in that guidelines are required only

RE: Sending Good News Club Fliers Home With Students

2008-12-03 Thread Brownstein, Alan
A more complete accommodation would allow students and parents to inform the school that they do not want to receive materials from certain outside groups. But maybe this accommodation already exists in these systems. I continue to believe that, with rare exceptions, students at public schools

RE: Sending Good News Club Fliers Home With Students

2008-12-03 Thread Douglas Laycock
Distributing nothing from outside groups is a plausible policy, but not one that Montgomery County was willing to live with. These cases are always about viewpoint discrimination; the school sends home flyers for some groups but not other groups. The reason there was a second appeal in

RE: Sending Good News Club Fliers Home With Students

2008-12-03 Thread Brownstein, Alan
As Doug says, the latter result was not surprising, given the prior precedent. Under current law, schools that want to have their cake and eat it too are going to get into trouble. Schools would have fewer problems if they went on a diet and stopped trying to advance or facilitate services