RE: Minister convicted for teaching parishioners to punishchildren by hitting them on the bare buttocks with wooden dowels

2012-05-14 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I'm not sure why it should matter whether a minister is speaking in a church with a building, or to a small group of people; nor is it clear to me to what extent the law can take into account how much people fear their leaders on spiritual grounds, whether they be the leader of

RE: Minister convicted for teaching parishioners to punish children byhitting them on the bare buttocks with wooden dowels

2012-05-14 Thread Steve Sanders
Here's another story from last year stating that the pastor and others had been charged with multiple counts of actual child abuse: http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/26/members-of-aleitheia-bible-church-in-wisco nsin-charged-with-abus/ _ From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu

RE: Minister convicted for teaching parishioners to punish children by hitting them on the bare buttocks with wooden dowels

2012-05-14 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Alan: You raise an interesting question, and it might be well be that intentionally urging someone illegal to do something tomorrow morning, when such urging is likely to lead to the illegality, is indeed incitement. But I saw nothing in the stories that suggested that the

Re: Minister convicted for teaching parishioners to punish children by hitting them on the bare buttocks with wooden dowels

2012-05-14 Thread Marci Hamilton
Eugene-what about strict scrutiny? I think there is a compelling interest in protecting children from being hit with wooden dowels Given the hidden nature of most such abuse, there is unlikely to be a lesser restrictive method to ensure children are not harmed. Marci On May 13, 2012, at

RE: Minister convicted for teaching parishioners to punish children by hitting them on the bare buttocks with wooden dowels

2012-05-14 Thread Alan Brownstein
The news story doesn't give us a lot of detail as to exactly what the pastor said in this case nor does it tell us much about his parishioners. But if the pastor's instructions to his parishioners are to do something unlawful if a certain pre-condition is satisfied and the pre-condition is