Re: Interesting early W. Va. Att'y Gen. opinion on released time programs

2011-08-08 Thread b...@jmcenter.org
Eugene,   Most interesting and thank you for the reference. Many of the Christian Right believe that principle of separation of church and state didn't apply to the states until Everson v. Bd. of Educ. (1947). It's too bad that the Zorach Court didn't get the memo.    Freedom From Religion

Re: Interesting early W. Va. Att'y Gen. opinion on released time programs

2011-08-08 Thread b...@jmcenter.org
Vance,   I'm not sure that I understand your comment on Originalism.   The principle of separation of church and state is a bona fide original intent view of the Establishment Clause, notwithstanding David Barton's revisonist book Original Intent: The Courts, the Constitution, Religion, 3rd.,

Re: Interesting early W. Va. Att'y Gen. opinion on released time programs

2011-08-08 Thread Vance R. Koven
What I think Mr. Ritter is missing is that the WV AG was not construing the Federal Constitution, but the West Virginia constitution, whose religion clause was a much more detailed paragraph than the First Amendment's. The AG mentions the First Amendment, but seems to do so in a way that does

Re: Interesting early W. Va. Att'y Gen. opinion on released time programs

2011-08-08 Thread Hamilton02
Vance-- Small point-- Aren't you confusing originalist with textualist? I would have thought an originalist would be interested in the history behind the language as well as the language, while the textualist would eschew the history to focus on the language. Marci Marci A. Hamilton

RE: Interesting early W. Va. Att'y Gen. opinion on released time programs

2011-08-08 Thread Volokh, Eugene
[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Vance R. Koven Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 8:11 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Interesting early W. Va. Att'y Gen. opinion on released time programs What I think Mr. Ritter is missing is that the WV AG was not construing

Re: Interesting early W. Va. Att'y Gen. opinion on released time programs

2011-08-08 Thread Vance R. Koven
I agree that there is an element of both in it. I wanted to avoid suggesting that Justices Scalia, Thomas and Alito were really Deconstructionists--they would undoubtedly find the prospect horrifying--but the concept of original intent, at least to my somewhat dilettantish eyes in following the

Re: Interesting early W. Va. Att'y Gen. opinion on released time programs

2011-08-06 Thread Vance R. Koven
What I find interesting is that the AG did absolutely no parsing of the constitutional language, in which I couldn't find anything that spoke to what released time is. He jumped immediately to the extra-statutory concept of separation of State and Church without so much as a case citation to