RE: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-15 Thread Douglas Laycock
...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Marci Hamilton Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:44 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Cc: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse There is a significant federal RFRA

Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-15 Thread Marci Hamilton
...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Marci Hamilton Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:44 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Cc: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse There is a significant federal RFRA

Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-15 Thread Richard Dougherty
for Law Academics *Subject:* Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse ** ** There is a significant federal RFRA litigation burden in the diocesan bankruptcies. Marty and I have been on opposite sides litigating it. I currently represent the victims in the Milwaukee Archdiocesan

RE: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-15 Thread Douglas Laycock
Religion issues for Law Academics Cc: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse To be sure church autonomy arguments outpace RFRA arguments, but less than half the states have rfras I don't actually get Doug's point -- a RFRA is irrelevant

Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-14 Thread Lawyer2974
Do we know of any social science or criminal statistics that supports a notion that jurisdictions with RFRA or upheld constitutional defenses to employer liability have a higher incidence of child sexual abuse (or, for that matter, that incidents of child sexual abuse are higher in

Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-14 Thread Arthur Spitzer
Marci - I don't believe you've stated the facts of a single case. I'd say the same thing if you were a man. Art On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Marci Hamilton hamilto...@aol.com wrote: I'm not sure why stating the facts in these cases is rhetoric I sincerely hope it is not because a woman is

Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-14 Thread Steven Jamar
There are actual cases of it being used as a defense. Abuse of RFRA is not in itself enough to not have such laws, but it is also something not to be ignored in considering the wisdom of and form of a RFRA. Nor should its use to permit or even encourage discrimination against groups be

Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-14 Thread Marci Hamilton
I was talking about the facts of how these cases are litigated. I represent many victims in numerous cases around the country on the First Am and RFRA issues. The RCC and LDS on particular push the religious freedom claims hard in such cases. Sometimes together Gibson v Brewer out of

RE: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-14 Thread Douglas Laycock
: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:02 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Cc: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse I was talking about the facts of how these cases are litigated. I represent many victims in numerous cases around

Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-14 Thread Marci Hamilton
issues for Law Academics Cc: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse I was talking about the facts of how these cases are litigated. I represent many victims in numerous cases around the country on the First Am and RFRA issues. The RCC

RE: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-14 Thread Volokh, Eugene
, 2012 4:28 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Cc: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse I'm not sure why stating the facts in these cases is rhetoric I sincerely hope it is not because a woman is pointing out the facts rather

RE: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-14 Thread Volokh, Eugene
...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of lawyer2...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:21 AM To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse Do we know of any social science or criminal statistics that supports a notion

RE: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-14 Thread Douglas Laycock
-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Marci Hamilton Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:12 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Cc: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse Doug-- your downplaying of rfras' effect is inaccurate

Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-14 Thread Arthur Spitzer
...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *lawyer2...@aol.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:21 AM *To:* religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu *Subject:* Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse ** ** *Do we know of any social science or criminal

Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-14 Thread Vance R. Koven
[mailto: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *lawyer2...@aol.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:21 AM *To:* religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu *Subject:* Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse ** ** *Do we know of any social science or criminal statistics

Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-14 Thread Will Linden
This straight out of C.S. Lewis' Bulverism essay, where young Ezekiel Bulver hears his father argue that the angles of a triangle add up to 180, and his mother retort You say that because you are a MAN! At 09:31 AM 6/14/2012, you wrote: Marci - I don't believe you've stated the facts of a

Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-14 Thread Steven Jamar
Obviously the man lives in flatland and the woman in sphereland. :) On Jun 14, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Will Linden wrote: This straight out of C.S. Lewis' Bulverism essay, where young Ezekiel Bulver hears his father argue that the angles of a triangle add up to 180, and his mother retort You say

Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse

2012-06-14 Thread Marci Hamilton
Charlottesville, VA 22903 434-243-8546 From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Vance R. Koven Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:57 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Religious exemptions and child sexual abuse