Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Eric J Segall
sues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu<mailto:religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>> Subject: Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot? I am once again reminded why I refuse to teach the 11th Amendment :-). But of course you are all correct, I had forgotten about that line of cases. As

RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Levinson, Sanford V
sts on its not being a 5=4 decision. sandy From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Ashutosh A Bhagwat Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 5:36 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: I

Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Ashutosh A Bhagwat
cademics Subject: RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot? Doh! Not sure why I forgot about Edelman; maybe because the focus there was on the line between prospective and retrospective relief. But that is the fundamental modern Eleventh Amendment case, and it squarely holds that § 1983 does not ov

RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
, 2017 5:53 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot? See, e.g., Quern v. Jordan, 440 U.S. 332, 340-41 (1979): "Mr. Justice BRENNAN in his opinion concurring in the judgment argues that our hol

RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
Segall Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 5:45 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot? There's also language in other cases involving federal jurisdiction that Congress didn't intend 1983 to abrogate immunity. Wi

Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread James Oleske
> > Charlottesville, VA 22903 > > 434-243-8546 <(434)%20243-8546> > > > > *From:* religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-bounces@ > lists.ucla.edu <religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Ashutosh > A Bhagwat > *Sent:* Tuesday, April

Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Eric J Segall
osh A Bhagwat Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 5:31 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu<mailto:religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>> Subject: Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot? I may be completely wrong here, but if this is a section 1983 ca

RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Eric J Segall Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 5:28 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot? Well if that is true, and I think it is, t

RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot? I may be completely wrong here, but if this is a section 1983 case enforcing the Religion Clauses as incorporated through the 14th Amendment, does that trump 11th Amendment

Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Eric J Segall
<hd...@virginia.edu<mailto:hd...@virginia.edu>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 2:21 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot? I haven’t looked at the complaint, but that has to be right. Damages for delay could not be recovered from the stat

Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Ashutosh A Bhagwat
2017 2:21 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot? I haven’t looked at the complaint, but that has to be right. Damages for delay could not be recovered from the state, or from any state official in his official capacity, because of so

Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Eric J Segall
n Behalf Of Eric J Segall Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 5:13 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu<mailto:religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>> Subject: Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot? Doug, is the complaint seeking money as damages for wrongful denial

RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
t; Subject: Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot? Doug, is the complaint seeking money as damages for wrongful denial? That seems to run into the 11th. I assumed plaintiffs can only ask for prospective relief in this case. Best, Eric Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Laycock,

Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Eric J Segall
o:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Marty Lederman Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 4:40 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu<mailto:religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>> Subject: Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot? But Doug, the relie

RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
18, 2017 4:40 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot? But Doug, the relied requested was simply the ability to compete for the grant without the church disqualification -- and they've now received

Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Eric J Segall
tin.leder...@law.georgetown.edu> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 4:39:32 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot? But Doug, the relied requested was simply the ability to compete for the grant without the church disqualification -- and they

Re: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Marty Lederman
But Doug, the relied requested was simply the ability to compete for the grant without the church disqualification -- and they've now received precisely that. It's also not simply a policy change -- it is, presumably, a conclusion that they are *legally required *not to exclude the church. Yes,

RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
Giving the church the tires or the money would moot the case. But so far, they have only announced a policy change, and that does not moot the case—especially where, as here, the other side has a plausible claim and could immediately sue the state officials to prevent them from granting the