RE: Rick Perry and separation of church and state

2005-06-07 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I'm not quite sure exactly how the distinction between denominational religious beliefs and ethical religious precepts quite works here. The bills involved here, after all, dealt not with abstract theology, but with matters that very much relate to ethical religious precepts -- abortion

Re: Rational Basis v. Intermediate Scrutiny

2005-06-07 Thread Hamilton02
I don't want to kill of another dead horse, BUT my point is that both Turner and RLUIPA in the prison context now reside in the netherworld of intermediate scrutiny, rather than either end of the spectrum. I stand by my analysis that once the Court introduces "legitimate" into the

RE: Rick Perry and separation of church and state

2005-06-07 Thread Will Linden
At 02:18 AM 6/6/05 -0700, you wrote: Perhaps the outrage should come the other way -- where is the outcry from members of the congregation at opening the doors of the church to the politicians? What effect has such a rally on the 501(c)(3) status of the church (Texas has an interesting law

Re: Rational Basis v. Intermediate Scrutiny

2005-06-07 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 6/7/2005 8:58:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I stand by my analysis that once the Court introduces "legitimate" into the rationality review contextAND then applies it with bite as has happened under Turner, it is no longer the sort of

Rational Basis v. Intermediate Scrutiny

2005-06-07 Thread Jim Oleske
Marci, I don't think it's beating a dead horse to carefully examine the merits of a novel and controversial theory -- in this case, your proposed Turner/RLUIPA standard. Indeed, I think the discussion in this instance has proven the value of extended debate. Unless I'm mistaken, you are now

RE: Rick Perry and separation of church and state

2005-06-07 Thread Ed Darrell
How does a court separate out Perry's taking the Governor's business to church? Rick Perry has the right to say he likes the faith community at Z church/synagogue/mosque. But when the Governor of the State of Texas endorses the action by taking the state's official business there, is there no

RE: Rational Basis v. Intermediate Scrutiny .:.

2005-06-07 Thread Anthony Picarello
This is a noble gesture, but it doesn't succeed in establishing that Turner / O'Loneis any more demanding than rational basis scrutiny. (Again, I wish it were otherwise, and I want to be persuaded that it is, but I can't honestly claim that it is the current state of the law.) Yes, a

RE: Rick Perry and separation of church and state

2005-06-07 Thread A.E. Brownstein
We seem to be two ships passing in the night on this one. Of course, official policy may conform to theological views opposing murder and the like. My point is that there are other theological precepts, such as beliefs about the existence, nature, and worship of G-d which have no real secular