Substantial burden on religious freedom and placing a copy of the Koran in toilet

2006-05-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Rasul v. Rumsfeld, 2006 WL 1216668 (D.D.C.), decided yesterday, concludes that RFRA applies to Guantanamo, and concludes (among other things) that placing a copy of the Koran in a toilet (which is what plaintiffs allege) would substantially burden the plaintiffs' religious exercise. As I

Re: Substantial burden on religious freedom and placing a copy of the Koran in toilet

2006-05-10 Thread Paul Finkelman
Would it matter if the guard used the Koran and toilet as a method of coercion -- that is: do what I say or I will do this to the only copy of the Koran around here that you can use; as opposed to just privately tossing the koran in the trash or the toilet when the priosner is not around;

Re: Unconstitutional BOP Religion in Prisons Program

2006-05-10 Thread Lupu
Last week, Freedom from Relligion Foundation filed suit against various federal officers with respect to the BOP program (Life Connections 2) that Marty discusses in the post below. Bob Tuttle and I have just published a comment, on the Roundtable website, on the lawsuit. The comment is

Re: Substantial burden on religious freedom and placing a copy of the Koran in toilet

2006-05-10 Thread Caroline Abbott
You all are moving to New York? Rats! We'll miss you. Keep in touch. --Caroline Abbott On 5/10/06, Paul Finkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it matter if the guard used the Koran and toilet as a method ofcoercion -- that is:do what I say or I will do this to the only copy of the Koran

RLUIPA Case With Great facts

2006-05-10 Thread Rick Duncan
From a Liberty Counsel press release:May 10, 2006 News Release Virginia County Bucking Against Cowboy Church Bedford County, VA – In a demand letter written to Bedford County officials, Liberty Counsel has warned the county to back off its citation against a “Cowboy Church.” The letter

RE: RLUIPA Case With Great facts

2006-05-10 Thread Alan Brownstein
I doubt that this is all that unusual a case. Years ago, when I worked on trying to get a state RLUIPA type law adopted in California, one of the opponents of the law was the California Farm Bureau. Like everyone else on this issue, they said that they had nothing against houses of worship --

Re: RLUIPA Case With Great facts

2006-05-10 Thread Brad M Pardee
Can they really using zoning laws to determine the content of meetings held on the property? It would seem to me that, unless the ordinance also bans barn dances, weddings, family reunions, or any other large gatherings, this would require strict scrutiny, even under Smith, and I'm not sure how

RE: Substantial burden on religious freedom and placing a copy of the Koran in toilet

2006-05-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
An interesting question, but let me separate it into three parts: (1) Is it a substantial burden if the guard destroys the only available copy of the Koran (whether it's done in front of the prisoner or not)? (2) Is it a substantial burden if the guard deliberately

RE: RLUIPA Case With Great facts

2006-05-10 Thread Alan Brownstein
To be fair to the Farm Bureau, I think they were primarily concerned that locating houses of worship near operational farms would limit the way farmers court use their property because some farm activities are not compatible with nearby public assemblies. The term I used, inconvenience,

RE: Substantial burden on religious freedom and placing a copy of the Koran in toilet

2006-05-10 Thread paul-finkelman
Is part III unconstitutional because it burdens free exercise by setting a requirment -- you do what we say; you tell us what we want to know -- in order to practice your religion? Quoting Volokh, Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED]: An interesting question, but let me separate it into three

RE: Substantial burden on religious freedom and placing a copy of the Koran in toilet

2006-05-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I'm not sure how this sets a requirement *to practice* your religion. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:46 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics; Volokh, Eugene Subject: RE: Substantial burden on

RE: Substantial burden on religious freedom and placing a copy of the Koran in toilet

2006-05-10 Thread paul-finkelman
Can't practice without the Koran? Quoting Volokh, Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not sure how this sets a requirement *to practice* your religion. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:46 PM To: Law

RE: Substantial burden on religious freedom and placing acopy of the Koran in toilet

2006-05-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
If the destruction is of the only available copy of the Koran, then we're in #1 land, whether the destruction is an attempt to coerce the prisoner or not. But as I understand it, copies of the Koran were pretty freely available in Guantanamo, courtesy of the U.S. So it seems to me that

Re: Substantial burden on religious freedom and placing a copy ofthe Koran in toilet

2006-05-10 Thread Marty Lederman
Here's a radical suggestion: Let's look at what has actually occurred in the Rasul v. Rumsfeld case. The court's decision was a rejectionofthe government's motion to dismiss the RFRA claim. As far as I can tell, the government did not argue that the plaintiffs' allegations failed to

RE: Substantial burden on religious freedom and placing acopy of the Koran in toilet

2006-05-10 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
School address would be good. _ From: Steven Jamar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 5/10/2006 5:53 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Substantial burden on religious freedom and placing acopy of the Koran in toilet Let me get this straight. It is ok to