RE: UU ministers arrested

2004-03-16 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I'm not certain on this question, but I have doubts about Eugene's argument that this is simply religious speech or a religious ritual, analogous to a ceremony marrying a nun to the Church. In the news reports I have read, the prosecutors have conceded that they cannot prosecute clergy for

RE: Under God

2004-03-30 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
argument below falls closer to the second and sometimes third categories, which are more problematic. Paul Horwitz Visiting Assistant Professor University of San Diego School of Law From: Berg, Thomas C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: Under God

2004-03-31 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
out there above it. These steps would be far better in principle, in my view, than what Newdow's side is asking for. Tom Berg *** Thomas C. Berg University of St. Thomas School of Law Mail # MSL 400 1000 La Salle Avenue Minneapolis, MN 55403-2015 Phone: (651) 962-4918 Fax: (651

Ministerial Exemption Case: Music Minister and Reconciling Cong regation

2004-04-14 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
An interesting ministerial case (music minister) from Minnesota. Among other things it dramatizes the proposition that the ministerial exemption has nothing to do with the tenets of the defendant church. The defendant Methodist congregation that was held exempt from sexual-orientation

RE: RE: Medical workers who don't want to participate in abortion s

2004-05-16 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
As far as caselaw doctrine goes, isn't Eugene's question answered by the Brennan plurality opinion in Texas Monthly (only a plurality, but also the opinion in the case most restrictive of accommodations)? The Court struck down the exemption from sales taxes for religious publications. The

RE: RE: Medical workers who don't want to participate in abortion s

2004-05-18 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
purpose is not accommodating conscience.) Tom Berg *** Thomas C. Berg University of St. Thomas School of Law Mail # MSL 400 1000 La Salle Avenue Minneapolis, MN 55403-2015 Phone: (651) 962-4918 Fax: (651) 962-4996 [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: RE: Medical workers who don't want to participate in abortion s

2004-05-19 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
to favor Sundays is to encourage a single day of rest -- a sort of soft version of the argument for blue laws that succeeded in McGowan. But in that case its purpose is not accommodating conscience.) Tom Berg *** Thomas C. Berg University of St. Thomas School of Law Mail

RE: Gay Activists Threaten Church Tax-Exempt Status

2004-06-03 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I'm not sure about the following argument, but what do you think of it? The ban on lobbying can be circumvented by setting up a separate 501(c)(4) organization, which the Court in Regan said was relevant (if not crucial) to its constitutionality. Suppose that it doesn't cost much in terms of

RE: Gay Activists Threaten Church Tax-Exempt Status

2004-06-04 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
be religious, wouldn't the better course be to accommodate them under RFRA, and then fashion a similar accommodation for the occasional secular group that might come along? (Analogous to Harlan's expanding the draft exemption in Welsh.) Tom Berg *** Thomas C. Berg University

RE: Gay Activists Threaten Church Tax-Exempt Status

2004-06-06 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I'm not sure that the doctors in Rust had the same kind of claim that they needed to speak in their capacity in the funded program. The Court said that the Title X programs did not purport to be giving general medical advice -- while churches may and do propose to speak as a unitary matter on all

RE: Gay Activists Threaten Church Tax-Exempt Status

2004-06-09 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I won't quarrel about Rust, which I'm not fond of as a constitutional decision in the first place -- as Marty originally noted, it gives too little consideration to the spillover cost involved in segregating constitutionally protected activity into an entirely different entity or facility from the

RE: The quid pro quo theory

2004-06-11 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Eugene, I agree that very global quid pro quo theories -- like broad Establishment Clause, broad Free Exercise Clause -- do not spread their benefits to all religions equally. (For example, I think that broad establishment clause, broad free exercise tends to protect or benefit minority or

CLS Secures Recognition from Penn State University for Christian Student Club

2004-06-28 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
A pretty striking First Amendment violation rectified, below. Suppose the uniqueness requirement applied to all student organizations? Not that any state university would ever do that. But if it did, what rule for religious organizations? Tom Berg _ Center for Law and

RE: Required to stand for the Pledge?

2004-09-11 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Steve Smith's article Barnette's Big Blunder (78 Chi.-Kent L. Rev. 625 (2003)) directly addresses this question and argues pretty convincingly, as I remember, that the passage quoted below is misguided if it is read precisely as written. The government decide[s] what shall be orthodox in

RE: Required to stand for the Pledge?

2004-09-11 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I guess that Eugene has already offered my response to Professor Lipkin. It seems to me that there are many instances in which the government or government officials advocate political views with great force and suggest that those who disagree are fundamentally misguided, or missing the basic

RE: Establishing orthodoxy

2004-09-11 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Right, my mistake -- the word in the first part of the Barnette sentence is not declare, but prescribe, which can suggest the government forbidding criticism of the view. More so when put together with orthodox in the sentence, as Professor Lipkin argues; so I take his point on that score. I do

RE: Florida Voucher Decision

2004-11-13 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I haven't read the Florida decision yet; but I've heard such reasoning before. As Marty describes the reasoning, it is inconsistent with the premises and result of Widmar, and indeed of a vast number of other public-forum cases. In Widmar, the Missouri state constitutional principle singling out

RE: Florida Voucher Decision

2004-11-13 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
probably be support for Tom's theory. - Original Message - From: Berg, Thomas C. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:03 AM Subject: RE: Florida Voucher

RE: SG Application for Stay of Hoasca Tea Injunction

2004-12-06 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
The Christian Legal Society, joined by a number of other Christian groups, evangelical and mainline, filed amicus briefs at both the panel and the en banc stages. See http://www.clsnet.org/clrfPages/amicus/UDV.pdf. The en banc opinion of Judge Seymour, which in this part of the opinion

RE: 21st Century Zorach

2005-02-18 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I thoroughly agree that the school should not stick the other students (those not attending religious instruction) in a wasted time period or in other ways structure the program so as to push students toward religious instruction. Because of the difficulty of setting up a religion-only

RE: Ten Commandments: My Prediction

2005-03-02 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I am not a supporter of 10 Commandments displays, and the following point, in my view, does not fundamentally change the proper result in these cases. But I don't agree with Steve Jamar's claim that it is really just one sect, protestants, that push to establish state sponsorship or endorsement of

RE: Protestants and non-Protestants

2005-03-02 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
PM, Berg, Thomas C. wrote: I am not a supporter of 10 Commandments displays, and the following point, in my view, does not fundamentally change the proper result in these cases. But I don't agree with Steve Jamar's claim that it is really just one sect, protestants, that push to establish state

RE: Protestants and non-Protestants

2005-03-03 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Marci Maybe I should be proud to coin a term, although its likely too ugly to catch on. I just meant to refer to the idea that when the Court bans or removes government-sponsored religious symbols or ideas, while leaving secular symbols and ideas intact, this makes government more

RE: Religious Neutrality and Voluntarism

2005-03-05 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Marci writes: The right default position is the rule of law, but it is good for everyone when accommodation can be provided and the public good is not undermined. First, I would have thought that this is the very goal of RFRA and RLUIPA, the statutes that Marci so vigorously opposes: to

RE: Institutional Capacity to Manage Exemptions

2005-03-09 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I dont get the argument that individual victims of religious conduct or the public good are rarely at the table in [religious freedom] litigation. Sometimes they are directly at the table in that its a tort or other civil suit by a plaintiff affected by religious conduct. Even if its a

RE: Free Exercise, Free Speech, and harm to others

2005-03-15 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
But Eugene's position is also unattractive, I would suggest, because it asserts that we should be free to practice our religion as long as it does not harm others, and the government determines what is a harm to others, without any constitutional review of that determination by the courts. I

RE: Free Exercise, Free Speech, and harm to others

2005-03-15 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
don't think that as to sacramental wines, Sherbert or Yoder would likely reach any different results. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Berg, Thomas C. Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:34 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject

RE: Free Exercise, Free Speech, and harm to others

2005-03-15 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
] On Behalf Of Berg, Thomas C. Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:34 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Free Exercise, Free Speech, and harm to others But Eugene's position is also unattractive, I would suggest, because it asserts that we should be free to practice our

RE: Harm to others -- Please don't forget accommodations

2005-03-18 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Would Marty (or anyone else) argue that a significant third-party harm is sufficient in itself to invalidate a legislative accommodation of religion? If so, why should it be sufficient, given that the government adjusts and shifts burdens like this all the time to accommodate secular interests?

RE: Free Exercise, Free Speech, and harm to others

2005-03-24 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Berg, Thomas C. Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:14 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Free Exercise, Free Speech, and harm to others I'd say that the problem of deciding

RE: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield Count y

2005-04-15 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
The Marsh opinion justified legislative prayer on the basis of a very crude version of a historical argument -- the first Congress did this, and it's been done consistently since -- not really on the basis of a coherent, generalizable analytical principle such as it's just solemnization or it's

RE: Pop Quiz: Justice O'Connor and the Religion Clauses

2005-07-02 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
It's also the case that after some hemming and hawing (along with others on the Court), O'Connor came down firmly on the side of allowing religious schools in school choice programs. She did still cast the key vote to limit direct aid -- even when figured on a per-capita formula -- based on a

RE: Pop Quiz: Justice O'Connor and the Religion Clauses

2005-07-02 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
. But her reason for treating cases differently across that admittedly clean line is still highly subjective and, in my view, difficult to defend. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Berg, Thomas C. Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:22 PM

RE: Two kinds of purpose inquiries

2005-08-23 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
To follow up and agree with Eugene's argument, it seems to me that the text of Title VII requires that the employment action, to give rise to liability, must be based on the employee's religion rather than the supervisor's religious motive: the text prohibits discrimination against any

RE: Hostility

2005-08-24 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
of mediating institutions in an economic regime where parents work. (By the way, you failed to consider single-parent families.) -Original Message- From: Berg, Thomas C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:32 PM To: Law Religion issues

RE: Hostility

2005-08-24 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
interlineated below. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Berg, Thomas C. Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 3:18 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Hostility Well, of course the pro-voucher side, correspondingly

RE: Hostility

2005-08-25 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
This is an interesting and effective response to my challenge. But I wonder: 1. Whether a golden age as short as the one to which Alan refers is really enough to provide a stable model for the future. 2. Whether continuing to push everyone together in public schools (through selective

RE: Hostility

2005-08-25 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
It'll take me a while to respond to some of these points, but let me quickly pick up on the last one. I do think that it is unfortunate that many people -- even some judges -- tend to view Religion Clause positions as either pro-religion or anti-religion, so that school prayer, school choice,

RE: CNN: Bush will nominate Roberts

2005-09-05 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
On the other hand, Earl Warren by all accounts was immediately successful as a leader coming in from the outside (see, e.g., Brown v. Board of Ed). And Harlan Fiske Stone, who'd been an associate justice for 15 years, was quite unsuccessful as chief justice, letting conferences meander and

RE: FYI: An Interesting See You at the Pole Case

2005-10-31 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Let me join others, with a few additional facts. From Laycock, Equal Access and Moments of Silence: The Equal Status of Religious Speech by Private Speakers, 81 Nw. U. L. Rev. 1, 52-53 (1986) (footnotes omitted): The American Civil Liberties Union opposed early drafts of the Equal Access

RE: Stephen Carter on what Christians should expect from the Supr eme Court

2005-11-01 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Mark and others -- Yoder's is a striking quote indeed, but I think that he and Carter are saying different things that are ultimately in some tension. Yoder, I think, would caution Christians not to focus on what the Supreme Court says about abortion -- or what the legislature says -- and

RE: FYI: An Interesting See You at the Pole Case

2005-11-02 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
We've had some discussions of this over at the Catholic lawprofs' weblog http://www.mirrorofjustice.com http://www.mirrorofjustice.com , if anyone is interested. I would suggest that this development -- five conservative Catholics on the Court, generally supported by evangelical Protestants --

RE: FYI: An Interesting See You at the Pole Case

2005-11-03 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I agree with Sandy thatissues involving values that the Catholic Church supports arise often in statutory contexts, which as I said perhaps should receive more attention than they do in nomination debates. But constitutional issues get more attention, in part because they're just better

RE: FYI: An Interesting See You at the Pole Case

2005-11-03 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
important to be a [white] conservative? The answer to this question is not apparent, although I think that Tom believes that it is. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Berg, Thomas C. Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 3:43 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law

RE: Alito Views SCOTUS Doctrine as Giving Impression of Hostility to Religious Expression

2005-11-04 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I agree with Marty that the result in Santa Fe -- the case that Alito allegedly discussed with Sen. Cornyn -- was to strike down speech that was government preferred or sponsored, because of the majoritarian nature of the election process and the school district's past practice. But some of the

RE: FYI: An Interesting See You at the Pole Case

2005-11-08 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Just to be clear: I dont think that this disparate impact (Protestant student-led worship services protected by the Act, Catholic masses not protected) warrants Catholics opposing the EAA. For several reasons: (1) There are lots of other things that Catholic student groups might do that

RE: FYI: An Interesting See You at the Pole Case

2005-11-08 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
of a Catholic student group? That argument is clearly out of bounds. My objection has always been to EAA as it exists. Why the resort to a straw man? From: Berg, Thomas C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 4:44 PM To: 'Law Religion issues for Law Academics' Subject: RE

RE: FYI: An Interesting See You at the Pole Case

2005-11-09 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
at the Pole Case And you still overreach with a straw man argument. I have taken no position on the desirability of amending EAA. Why can't you understand that? _ From: Berg, Thomas C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:28 PM To: 'Law Religion issues

RE: Locke v. Davey Question

2006-01-11 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
In the amicus brief that Doug Laycock, Greg Baylor, and I filed in Davey, we argued that this kind of determination (whats objective enough and whats too devotional) would entangle the state in discretionary, theologically sensitive questions and constituted another strike against the

RE: Sabbatarians and deadlines

2006-03-27 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
A few reactions: 1. Would courts see this as a Braunfeld v. Brown case? I.e. one in which the state's rule does not directly conflict with (i.e. visit some legal consequence as a result of) the religious duty -- as the Sunday closing law did not directly conflict with the Orthodox shopkeepers'

RE: Substantial burden on religious freedom and placing acopy of the Koran in toilet

2006-05-10 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
School address would be good. _ From: Steven Jamar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 5/10/2006 5:53 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Substantial burden on religious freedom and placing acopy of the Koran in toilet Let me get this straight. It is ok to

RE: The Roberts Court

2006-07-25 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Direct aid to religious schools and institutions in general: there may be five votes now for the Thomas plurality opinion in Mitchell v. Helms that (at least) direct aid on an equal per-capita basis is permissible. The direct-aid vs. private-choice distinction has been relevant in litigation in

Casebook Question

2006-12-09 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I've just resubscribed to the list, having been taken away for a while by other commitments. I understand from the message below that Dr. Buck has asked where a table of contents for the McConnell, Garvey, Berg casebook Religion and the Constitution can be found. This link should work (apologies

RE: Question from a reporter

2007-02-08 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
A non-numerical, ironic aspect of this: The breakaway congregations, now and in the earlier rounds, have tended to be conservatives unhappy with liberal denominational moves. If they succeed in court against the larger organizations to whose decisions they object, they tend to make law such as

RE: Religious exemptions for the non-religious

2007-03-01 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Atheism and agnosticism should be considered religions for free exercise purposes because, as Doug has argued in print, we would regard them as religions for establishment purpose -- if the government set up a Temple of Atheism or schools taught officially that God does not exist. If one takes

RE: Religious exemptions for the non-religious

2007-03-01 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I'm not sure what the denial of physics means. Doesn't one deny (or affirm) a particular proposition or set of propositions about physics? Similarly, it seems to me that there is a recognizable usage of religion that includes varying positions on the ultimate questions such as the existence of a

RE: Religious freedom and 42 USC 666

2008-07-31 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
To the extent that he objects to paying the support even if the provision is renumbered, because the requirement is of the antichrist and the 666 simply evidences that, then I assume most courts would hold there's a burden but it's overcome by a compelling interest. To the extent he says his

RE: Religious freedom and 42 USC 666

2008-07-31 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Eugene, I think one can cut the cases the way you did; but one can also cut them the way I and Doug suggested. To satisfy the Roys' objection to providing the social security number, the government would have had to let them do something different (not provide the number). To satisfy

RE: Religious freedom and 42 USC 666

2008-08-01 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
. Alan Brownstein UC Davis School of Law From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Berg, Thomas C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:55 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Religious freedom and 42 USC 666

RE: Americans United: Iowa Supreme Court RulingOnMarriageUpholdsReligious Liberty, Says Americans United

2009-04-06 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I agree that it is extremely unlikely that an objecting church or clergyperson will be forced to host or perform a same-sex marriage. But I wouldn't rest this on the argument that no couple would seek to be married by someone who doesn't want to marry them. After all, it's a good question why

RE: Americans United: Iowa Supreme CourtRulingOnMarriageUpholdsReligious Liberty, Says Americans United

2009-04-07 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Adjunct faculty, University of Michigan Law School (Winter term 2010) Email: steve...@umich.edu Personal home page: www.stevesanders.net -Original Message- From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Berg, Thomas C. Sent

RE: Americans United: Iowa Supreme Court RulingOnMarriageUpholdsReligious Liberty, Says Americans United

2009-04-07 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
[religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Berg, Thomas C. [tcb...@stthomas.edu] Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 7:44 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Americans United: Iowa Supreme Court RulingOnMarriageUpholdsReligious Liberty, Says Americans United I agree

RE: Impact of same-sex marriage rulings on strict scrutinyinreligious exemption cases

2009-04-09 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Churches can and do refuse to perform the marriages of those who the clergyman thinks are not ready, or who don't have some connection to the church, or who don't go through a religious counseling class, etc., although all those people are entitled to civil marriage. So far as I can see,

RE: Same-sex marriage and religious exemptions

2009-04-10 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I worked in the effort to get the exemption in the ENDA bill broadened in 2007 from a very narrow provision to one analogous to the Title VII religious-hiring exemption. I agree that that's basically the right way to handle the bill. At that time, part of the political dynamic was that the

RE: Snowbowl decision

2009-06-12 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Ted, A group of religious liberty scholars (several of them on this list, including me) filed an amicus brief supporting the cert petition arguing that the standard the 9th Circuit used to dismiss this case (for lack of a substantial burden under RFRA) could have far-reaching effects,

RE: Snowbowl decision

2009-06-14 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
substantially affect religious exercise of the religious community. Is this not a cognizable claim at all under RLUIPA under any possible reading of the 9th circuit test? Are there any others? Steve On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Berg, Thomas C. tcb...@stthomas.edumailto:tcb...@stthomas.edu

Ministerial Exception Cert Petition

2010-11-03 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
The Becket Fund and Doug Laycock have filed a cert. petition in Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. EEOC, raising the question [w]hether the ministerial exception applies to a teacher at a religious elementary school who teaches the full secular curriculum, but also teaches

RE: Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on religious grounds

2012-01-12 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
which refuses to hire African-Americans, women, and the disabled as teachers? Alan From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] on behalf of Berg, Thomas C. [tcb...@stthomas.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:47 PM

RE: Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on religious grounds

2012-01-12 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Alan, I agree that the majority leaves open the issue of lay teachers. But since three justices take a broader approach to defining a minister, all you need for a majority in a later case is two more votes, and Roberts and Scalia seem reasonable prospects to me in a case that presents the

RE: Contraceptives and gender discrimination

2012-02-14 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
To the extent the mandate requires coverage of emergency contraceptives that people at least plausibly believe cause early abortions in some cases (I will not comment on the state of scientific debate here), does that put it in a different category from ordinary contraception--even for

RE: Court Rejects Religious Liberty Challenges To ACA Mandate

2012-09-30 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Marty, The fact that services must be covered in the plan by virtue of legal mandate (are required by law) can't be enough to counter the asserion of a burden, can it--or even be a significant factor in countering it? That would do away with virtually every free exercise claim (I'm only

RE: Court Rejects Religious Liberty Challenges To ACA Mandate

2012-09-30 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] on behalf of Berg, Thomas C. Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 4:52 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Court Rejects Religious Liberty Challenges To ACA Mandate Sandy, my particular objection

RE: RLUIPA prison cases

2013-04-22 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
You might suggest Sarah Gerwig-Moore at Mercer. She has this piece: Sarah Gerwig-Moore, (2012) Saving Their Own Souls: How RLUIPA Failed to Deliver on its Promises, 4 LEGISLATION AND POLICY BRIEF Vol 4. Iss. 1, Article 4. - Thomas C. Berg James L.

RE: Contraception mandate

2013-08-01 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I hesitate a bit to pitch my piece here, since it could accelerate a trend that we might not want if the list is otherwise active; but since it's not active for now, I'll refer to my own new piece, which is likewise on (part of) the mandate and the culture wars and aims to express a certain

RE: Contraception Mandate

2013-11-26 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Thanks, Nelson. This is an interesting piece, and I respect the arguments on both sides. But I have a couple of critical reactions: 1. I wonder whether it's really helpful or effective to start by dismissing an argument as something off the wall that somehow, inexplicably, has gone

RE: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
In response to Chip, As to the plaintiffs in Hobby Lobby and Conestoga, they object only to certain medicines/methods that they believe cause abortions of fertilized embryos. Unless opposition to abortion is a form of statutory sex discrimination, which the Court rejected in Bray v.

RE: The nonprofit contraception services cases

2014-01-07 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
If I understand the argument below made by Americans United, it seems to me a non sequitur. Why can't it be that an activity (such as providing health benefits) is secular and yet the persons or organizations engaged in it have a religious-freedom interest in being able to pursue it in ways

RE: On implausible burdens

2014-02-16 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Let me take up Chip's question. I too accept Chip's point that the Establishment Clause encompasses certain harms to the polity that occur when the government adopts a religious identity. FWIW, on that basis among others, I joined a brief opposing the prayers in Town of Greece, as well as

RE: letter opposing Mississippi RFRA

2014-03-11 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Mississippi does not have a law against sexual-orientation discrimination; if I understand the Lupu et al. letter correctly, the local resolutions in Oxford, Hattiesburg etc. are not laws. Therefore, whatever the motivations of the proponents of the Mississippi state RFRA, it seems the statute

Mandatory Insurance Coverage of Abortion

2014-03-11 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
to wonder. How could we possibly know that to be the case? On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Berg, Thomas C. tcb...@stthomas.edumailto:tcb...@stthomas.edu wrote: Mississippi does not have a law against sexual-orientation discrimination; if I understand the Lupu et al. letter correctly, the local

RE: Hobby Lobby/Ellen Katz

2014-06-08 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Sandy (and Jon. etc.)--Why is an interpretation of RFRA for Hobby Lobby more divisive than an interpretation against? And would any ruling for Hobby Lobby automatically be wooden? Given Kennedy's conflicting signals at oral argument, I suspect that if he has voted for Hobby Lobby--which I

RE: Hobby Lobby/Ellen Katz

2014-06-08 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
as personally unattractive--I speak as someone who defended the right of the Ku Klux Klan to march down Congress Avenue in Austin). sandy -Original Message- From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Berg, Thomas C. Sent: Sunday

RE: Hobby Lobby/Ellen Katz

2014-06-08 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
-Original Message- From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Berg, Thomas C. Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 6:34 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Hobby Lobby/Ellen Katz I get those arguments, but they don't

RE: Divisiveness

2014-06-10 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
We've been over this before, of course, but as long as we're filling out the facts ... they are required to pay a $2,000-per-employee assessment if they drop health insurance, on top of being forced to choose an option that would either cause them significant competitive disadvantage or

RE: Attenuation

2014-07-02 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
And in the standard complicity-with-evil analyses, including religious ones, the degree of connection that's permissible is affected by the perceived gravity of the harm, which as Marty notes is a religious determination. Gravity of the harm, for example, is part of the material cooperation

RE: Hobby Lobby: Narrow Holding but Potentially Momentous Nonetheless?

2014-07-06 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Marty, on your two questions: 1. I don't think the Court said that pre-Smith doctrine is inapposite to RFRA. Indeed, it looked at a lot of pre-Smith free exercise law; and on the particular question whether a for-profit corporation has ability to assert free exercise claims at the threshold,

RE: Hobby Lobby: Narrow Holding but Potentially Momentous Nonetheless?

2014-07-06 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Gallagher, hardly part of the canon!) still have generative force for him . . . but not the long series of cases in which claims to exemptions in the commercial sphere got almost no votes, for decades. On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Berg, Thomas C. tcb...@stthomas.edumailto:tcb...@stthomas.edu

RE: Administration to ‘Augment’ ACA Contraceptive Rules

2014-08-22 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
The two proposals from HHS are out now: http://www.ofr.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2014-20252_PI.pdf (interim final rules allowing non-profits to notify HHS to claim the accommodation) http://www.ofr.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2014-20254_PI.pdf (proposal to expand the accommodation to closely held

Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument

2014-10-07 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
The oral argument transcript is up, http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/13-6827_8758.pdf. I haven't read it yet, but from the SCOTUS Blog report, it looks like things went poorly for the state.

RE: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument

2014-10-07 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] on behalf of Berg, Thomas C. Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 2:59 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Holt v. Hobbs Oral Argument

RE: Homeschooling, vaccinations, and Yoder

2015-02-02 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Neal Devins's article in the George Washington Law Review (1992 I think) documents this dynamic: home-schoolers losing in court after Yoder but then prevailing in legislature and agencies. - Thomas C. Berg James L. Oberstar Professor of Law and Public

RE: Holt

2015-01-20 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
And congratulations also to the Becket Fund lawyers on the case, especially Eric Rassbach and Luke Goodrich, who participate on this list and who defend free exercise of religion across a wide range of cases. - Thomas C. Berg James L. Oberstar Professor

RE: Text of Indiana RFRA Fix; Video of Hearing

2015-04-02 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Berg, Thomas C. Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 1:11 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Text of Indiana RFRA Fix; Video of Hearing The fix preserves the ability of nonprofit religious institutions to have their claims heard under the state

RE: Text of Indiana RFRA Fix; Video of Hearing

2015-04-02 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
to me that the race example can be a helpful tool for identifying the proper scope of the public accommodations laws when libertarian arguments are made for limiting their scope. - Jim On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Berg, Thomas C. tcb...@stthomas.edumailto:tcb...@stthomas.edu wrote: Well

RE: Text of Indiana RFRA Fix; Video of Hearing

2015-04-02 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
The fix preserves the ability of nonprofit religious institutions to have their claims heard under the state RFRA, which in my view is correct. Of course that will not be a stable resolution in blue states now, and many on the list would oppose allowing those claims to be raised. In my view,

RE: The Remarkable Disappearance of State Justifications in Obergefell

2015-07-03 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Marty refers to religious justifications upon which the civil state cannot rely. I am OK with this language if it's understood narrowly, but it has the potential to do mischief. It should mean that (1) religious justifications cannot serve as the only basis for legislation (which I think

RE: Colorado Cakeshop decision

2015-08-14 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court--hardly a reactionary body--made the distinction between small vendor refusals that do and don't harm access meaningfully, in Attorney General v. Desilets, 636 N.E.2d 233, 240 (Mass. 1994), one of the cases Eugene referred to involving small landlords

Nutshell

2016-01-17 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Dear List Members, After a decade or so, I am now doing a new edition (the 3rd) of The State and Religion in a Nutshell for West. I would welcome comments from any list members who have read the book or have received useful student comments on it, and have been itching to tell me where I'm

Re: Has anyone compiled the facts re Hobby Lobby type corporate ACA mandate plaintiffs?

2016-08-11 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Mary Ann, I don't know of any tabulation of all that information. You could get some of it reasonably efficiently through the Becket Fund HHS information site, http://www.becketfund.org/hhsinformationcentral. The entries for individual cases in the case database list the named plaintiffs,

Re: Johnson Amendment E.O.

2017-05-09 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
aw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu> on behalf of Berg, Thomas C. <tcb...@stthomas.edu> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:52:49 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Johnson Amendment E.O. I don't have a problem with that general idea, Alan. In some cases where religious a

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