Re: Falwell: Not Necessarily The Person That You Think

2007-05-18 Thread Susan Freiman
Thanks. I appreciate this. I appreciate barbs, too, but only if they're clever. Susan Paul Horwitz wrote: Pace Paul and Susan, the question is whether such a discussion, which takes place over the body of the deceased, as it were, is likely to elicit any actual discussion of law and

Re: Falwell: Not Necessarily The Person That You Think

2007-05-17 Thread RJLipkin
Unfortunately, Jean's point needs to be emphasized. Being characterized as a hater is dreadful. Being subject to hate is at least a couple of quanta beyond dreadful. That's why, in my view, the hate speech controversy always begins with the wrong baseline, an inordinate concern with the

Re: Falwell: Not Necessarily The Person That You Think

2007-05-17 Thread Paul Finkelman
This is from Slate. The condemnations of Falwell from people like Senator McCain illustrate that in fact he practiced a politics of hate and his desire to eliminate all public schools, his attacks on Jews, Moslems and others were in fact the practice of a kind of constitutional politics in the

Re: Falwell: Not Necessarily The Person That You Think

2007-05-17 Thread Paul Horwitz
Pace Paul and Susan, the question is whether such a discussion, which takes place over the body of the deceased, as it were, is likely to elicit any actual discussion of law and religion issues, even broadly construed, or whether it will devolve into a simple trading of barbs over whether

RE: Falwell: Not Necessarily The Person That You Think

2007-05-17 Thread Charles Haynes
In partial response to one of Professor Horwitz's interesting questions: It is certainly true that Roger Williams was concerned to protect the Garden of the Church from the wilderness of the world. That is why he insisted on a wall or hedge of separation between the two. But like Falwell, he had

RE: Falwell: Not Necessarily The Person That You Think

2007-05-17 Thread Paul Finkelman
One more difference is this: Williams was tolerant of those he disagreed with and welcomed such people into the community. It is hard to imagine Williams asserting that the Antichrist would be a Jew; Williams was tolerant of all faiths and believed the government should not be in the business of

Re: Falwell: Not Necessarily The Person That You Think

2007-05-16 Thread jlof
Accursed is that peace of which revolt from God is the bond, and blessed are those contentions by which it is necessary to maintain the kingdom of Christ. -- John Calvin. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 3:19 PM

Re: Falwell: Not Necessarily The Person That You Think

2007-05-16 Thread Paul Finkelman
This story shows that Falwell could be strategic and intelligent. Good thing the woman wasn't selling teletubby dolls or trying to assert her constitutional right to control her own body. What is the point of this story, to show that he used guile and dishonesty (make friends with someone so you

Re: Falwell: Not Necessarily The Person That You Think

2007-05-16 Thread Will Linden
OK, what are the LEGAL implications of Falwell's death? Or will the list just become all-argue-about-Fawell, all the time? Will Linden [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ecben.net/ Magic Code: MAS/GD S++ W++ N+ PWM++ Ds/r+ A- a++ C+ G- QO++ 666 Y ___ To

RE: Falwell: Not Necessarily The Person That You Think

2007-05-16 Thread Gary McCaleb
I disagree, Professor. To a Christian, palm reading is a pagan practice that is as offensive to Christian tenets as is homosexual behavior or the destruction of innocent human life, both of which are implicated in your examples. Reverend Falwell's approach was to meet the lady on her own terms,

RE: Falwell: Not Necessarily The Person That You Think

2007-05-16 Thread Sanford Levinson
On this one I tend to agree with Will (unless we want to get into a discussion of Falwell v. Hustler, one of the shining lights of our contemporary jurisprudence!). sandy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Will Linden Sent: Wed 5/16/2007 8:57 PM To: Law

RE: Falwell: Not Necessarily The Person That You Think

2007-05-16 Thread Paul Finkelman
much of Falwell's life was dedicated to undermining the establishment clause, and indeed quite openly working for the establishment of his faith as the official faith of America; it seems to me that any discussion of his career is in the end a discussion about constitutional law, unless Eugene,

Re: Falwell: Not Necessarily The Person That You Think

2007-05-16 Thread JMHACLJ
In a message dated 5/16/2007 8:57:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This story shows that Falwell could be strategic and intelligent. Good thing the woman wasn't selling teletubby dolls or trying to assert her constitutional right to control her own body. What is

Re: Falwell: Not Necessarily The Person That You Think

2007-05-16 Thread Jean Dudley
On May 16, 2007, at 7:39 PM, Paul Finkelman wrote: much of Falwell's life was dedicated to undermining the establishment clause, and indeed quite openly working for the establishment of his faith as the official faith of America; it seems to me that any discussion of his career is in the end a

Re: Falwell: Not Necessarily The Person That You Think

2007-05-16 Thread Jean Dudley
On May 16, 2007, at 8:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...God knows, as does Imus, there is almost nothing so fearful as to be subject to characterization as a hater in the current construct. Wanna bet? Try being the object of such hate. Jean Yes, this is the voice of experience.