RE: Question from a reporter

2007-02-08 Thread Gibbens, Daniel G.
Unsure whether a current instance is responsive, but here it is, from
the Feb. 2007 issue of Episcopal Life, p. 20:  The Executive Board of
the Episcopal Diocese of Virginia on Jan. 18 authorized Bishop Peter Lee
to 'take such steps as may be necessary to recover or secure such real
and personal property' of 11 congregations where a majority of the
members and leaders have left the Episcopal Church.   There have been
no immediate actions.

 

Daniel G. Gibbens 
Regents' Professor of Law Emeritus 
University of Oklahoma

 

 



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Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:43 PM
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This is very helpful.  Of course, this is only reported cases  A more
complete data set for the years it covers is the Religious Freedom
Reporter, which runs from 1981 I think to the late 90s (or maybe the
very early 2000s).  Finding a library with a complete set can sometimes
be a challenge.  They had a network of lawyers sending them cases they
knew about, so they pick up a fair number of trial court cases that
never got reported.  Still not a complete population I'm sure.

Quoting Hassler, Jeffrey (student) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



 I'm just a law student, but I've been working on a student comment on
 civil court resolution of church property disputes, and there are at
 least some figures out there about church property cases in courts.
 I've pasted below a paragraph from my article discussing some informal
 research on the subject done by Prof. Greenawalt:

 Jeff

 

 Church property disputes will never be the bread and butter of the
civil
 courts, but that doesn't mean controversies don't arise on a regular
 basis.  In 1998, Professor Greenawalt noted that courts have heard an
 average of about 119 church property cases each decade since 1948.[1]
 outbind://105/#_ftn1
https://web.mail.umich.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=outbind%3A%2F%2F10
5%2F%23_ftn1The numbers reflect slight increases during
 periods of particular doctrinal disputation.  In the decade since
 Professor Greenawalt's tabulation, there were approximately 91 church
 property cases heard in the U.S.;[2] outbind://105/#_ftn2
https://web.mail.umich.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=outbind%3A%2F%2F10
5%2F%23_ftn2   this figure
 is consistent with earlier trends and the pattern indicates the
 possibility that the number is rising again, perhaps in response to
the
 increase in intradenominational strife described above.

 


 [1] outbind://105/#_ftnref1
https://web.mail.umich.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=outbind%3A%2F%2F10
5%2F%23_ftnref1   Kent Greenawalt, Hands Off! Civil Court
 Involvement in Conflicts over Religious Property, 98 Colum. L. Rev.
 1843, 1844 n.1. (1998).  Professor Greenawalt's findings are as
follows:

 The following data show the approximate number of reported cases in
both
 federal and state courts over a period of fifty years (amassed through
a
 Westlaw search).  The numbers reflect each time a different court had
to
 address the issue of church property; thus, appeals are counted
 separately.  From 1948 to 1957, there were approximately 166 cases;
from
 1958-1967, roughly 109; from 1968-1977, 115 cases; from 1978-1987, 123
 cases; from 1988-1997, 81.  (This search was done in Oct. 1998, in the
 Allcases database).

 Id.



 [2] outbind://105/#_ftnref2
https://web.mail.umich.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=outbind%3A%2F%2F10
5%2F%23_ftnref2   This search was conducted in January
 2007, using the criteria discussed in the previous note.  It reflects
 only nine years rather than a full decade, and thus will almost
 certainly under-represent the actual figure for the ten years
following
 Professor Greenawalt's search.



 ---

 ___
 Jeff Hassler
 Pepperdine School of Law
 24255 Pacific Coast Hwy #0028
 Malibu, CA 90263-0028
 310.506.3920



 -Original Message-

 From: Volokh, Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Feb 7, 2007 6:27 PM
 Subject: Question from a reporter
 To: Law  Religion issues for Law Academics 
 religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu mailto:religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu 

 A reporter asked me:  Is it my imagination, or are
 denominations and
 members increasingly turning to the courts to settle disputes.
 [I've
 seen]  current disputes within the Catholic, Episcopal,
Missouri

 Lutheran faiths -- and there are doubtless more that I don't
 know about.
 There are issues of personnel and property.   Does anyone
track
 such a
 thing, or has the issue been studied?  I didn't have an
answer,
 but
 offered to ask on-list.  Any thoughts on this?  Thanks,

 Eugene
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RE: Question from a reporter

2007-02-08 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
A non-numerical, ironic aspect of this:  The breakaway congregations, now
and in the earlier rounds, have tended to be conservatives unhappy with
liberal denominational moves.  If they succeed in court against the larger
organizations to whose decisions they object, they tend to make law such as
Jones v. Wolf that is harmful to the protection of religious organizational
autonomy against state (in this case court) interference.  Yet conservative
faiths also tend to have the most conflicts between their organizational
autonomy and government regulation in other contexts, such as suits by
clergy, other employees, or members.  There are distinctions between church
property and other contexts, especially ministerial disputes, and Jones v.
Wolf so far has had little effect on church autonomy in ministerial cases.
But successes by conservative Christians in the property cases hurts the
freedom of conservative Christians in other cases, where Jones v. Wolf has
had more effect. 

Tom Berg, University of St. Thomas School of Law (Minnesota)

 

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A comment from Marc Stern, who is having access problems with the list.  His
view sounds right to me.

From: Marc Stern 
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:57 AM
To: 'Law  Religion issues for Law Academics'
Subject: RE: Question from a reporter



The number if churches torn apart over doctrinal issues-mostly but not
exclusively abortion and gay rights- is on the upswing and so it is not
surprising that there are more church property disputes. Whatever
increase there is in litigation is probably more due to the number of
doctrinal disputes than anything in the case law. The  last upsurge in
cases in the late 70's came about as a result of the move to ordain
women.

Marc Stern



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