[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeaters and Water Towers

2009-08-22 Thread wb6dgn
They paid for your losses and you (your club) accepted it??? I bet that gave them a warm and fuzzy feeling toward hams! Good advice about keeping up with what's happening, though. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jim Brown w5...@... wrote: We put a repeater in the equipment room

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Talking about pdf and scanners what about microfiche??

2009-08-22 Thread Pierre M
try this http://www.princetonimaging.com/scanning/pdfservice.html -- From: mmoss111 mm...@mindspring.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 6:46 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Talking about pdf and scanners what

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Sinclair UHF Receive Antenna Multicoupler Question

2009-08-22 Thread kt...@ameritech.net
Thanks Eric and Walter. I just wanted to see what to expect when I hooked this up, and so far it does only show about 3db gain, which makes sense to overcome the splitter. I was able to adjust it using the couple of tuning screws to center on the 450 band. Has a very sharp tuning slope though

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Talking about pdf and scanners what about microfiche??

2009-08-22 Thread Derek J. Lassen
There s an outfit on ebay that uses one of these http://www.nextscan.com/products/flexscan.html to scan microfiche to pdf for $33.00 a page... (ouch!) At 16:02 8/21/2009 -0700, you wrote: Marvin, I feel your pain. I have many GE manuals on microfiche, and I have been trying to find a way to

[Repeater-Builder] isolation

2009-08-22 Thread kj4si
Hope someone may have a program,commshop? What I need to know is what amount of isolation with duplexers that is required for a GE m2 reciever with .1...@12db and a m2 pll exciter,100 watt PA on vhf,600kc split?1/2in helix,with 4pole db224 antenna at 70 ft. thanks kj4si

Re: [Repeater-Builder] isolation

2009-08-22 Thread Wesley Bazell
Hi You didn, say Freq. I picked 146.94-146.34 punched in your figures and Got 94.4 Wesley AB8KD - Original Message - From: kj4si To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:54 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] isolation Hope someone may have

Fw: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Squelch action on 10 m FM

2009-08-22 Thread John Sehring
Paul, 1)  Yes, DSP-driven, adaptable squelch would be so excellent!  Alas, I don't the the skills to program such a thing.  I would probably be able to define the desired parameters operating modes and be glad to work with someone on that.  What I need to do is hang an audio spectrum

Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Sinclair UHF Receive Antenna Multicoupler Question

2009-08-22 Thread John Sehring
Let's never forget that ANY loss between the antenna and the receiver will degrade the rx's noise figure.  That means feedline, duplexer, cavities, connectors, Polyphasers, etc. Noise figure degradation means less sensitivity, period.  There's no way to make up for that EXCEPT with a preamp at

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PDF Page Scanner Choices?

2009-08-22 Thread no6b
At 8/21/2009 09:47, you wrote: Hi Skipp, For our Christmas present to us (my wife and myself), we purchased a Cannon CanoScan 8800F flatbed scanner. Works really well, and has a USB interface to our computer. There are buttons on the scanner that allows you to scan documents and convert to

RE: [Repeater-Builder] isolation

2009-08-22 Thread Eric Lemmon
My CommShop calculates 99.65 dB is required. I'd definitely be looking at a six-cavity BpBr duplexer for this station. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kj4si Sent: Saturday, August

Re: [Repeater-Builder] isolation

2009-08-22 Thread NORM KNAPP
H How about a mastr ii pll Vhf 147.225/147.825 with db224a @ 270' with 300' ldf7-50a and 110watts. I am running 45 watts right now. Thanks De N5NPO Norm - Original Message - From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Repeater-Builder] isolation

2009-08-22 Thread Tony KT9AC
Other than ordering the software, is there an old-school formula that can be used for this? I been using the decibel-wheel to convert from microvolts to dbm. NORM KNAPP wrote: H How about a mastr ii pll Vhf 147.225/147.825 with db224a @ 270' with 300' ldf7-50a and 110watts. I am

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater building

2009-08-22 Thread Mark
I don't know what band Nick is trying to operate on, but my suggestion would be to get a purpose-built vehicular repeater, like a Motorola PAC-RT, and operate that way. Maybe Uniden has something similar - I'm only familiar with Motorola... FWIW, Nick, the PAC-RT operates on a completely

RE: [Repeater-Builder] isolation

2009-08-22 Thread Eric Lemmon
Tony, I once chatted with the developer of CommShop for Windows, and learned that his formulae are based upon a number of assumptions- the most important being that the repeater is of commercial quality. This translates to GE Mastr II and Exec II, and Motorola Micor and Mitrek, for example. He

Re: [Repeater-Builder] isolation

2009-08-22 Thread Kevin Custer
Eric, Are you sure about your six-cavity recommendation? The MASTR II PLL exciter has 22 dB less side-band noise than a typical multiplier exciter - using 600 kHz TX to RX separation. Assuming his preamp isn't driven into a non-linear region (it shouldn't be), a good 4 cavity duplexer, like

[Repeater-Builder] Re: isolation

2009-08-22 Thread wb8art
Tony, Try this one at RB website. http://www.repeater-builder.com/downloads/download-index.html --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Tony KT9AC kt...@... wrote: Other than ordering the software, is there an old-school formula that can be used for this? I been using the decibel-wheel to

RE: [Repeater-Builder] isolation

2009-08-22 Thread Eric Lemmon
Kevin, Nothing about duplexers is for certain. While I agree that a PLL exciter is inherently less noisy than its multiplier counterpart, I never assume that it's okay to plan ahead for less than optimum isolation. Some duplexer designs are known to have better performance than physically

Re: [Repeater-Builder] isolation

2009-08-22 Thread Kevin Custer
Eric, You may have missed the point. While your program calculated a necessary isolation amount of 99.65 dB, using a GE M2 PLL exciter would dictate 77.65 dB of necessary isolation - which is easily obtainable with a quality 4 cavity (okay, 4 large cavity) duplexer. While I certainly

Re: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Sinclair UHF Receive Antenna Multicoupler Question

2009-08-22 Thread no6b
At 8/22/2009 07:49, you wrote: Let's never forget that ANY loss between the antenna and the receiver will degrade the rx's noise figure. That means feedline, duplexer, cavities, connectors, Polyphasers, etc. In theory, yes. However, if the noise floor (antenna noise temperature) is much

RE: [Repeater-Builder] isolation

2009-08-22 Thread Eric Lemmon
Kevin, I agree with your conclusions- provided that the exciter meets your expected performance. I would never assume that I could automatically subtract 22 dB from the proposed isolation, merely because it was a PLL exciter, without knowing for certain that its performance met or surpassed the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] isolation

2009-08-22 Thread Gary Schafer
Dan Kagabine, the chief engineer at TX-RX systems use to always say that once you have enough isolation to overcome any desense, then any more is a waste of money as it does nothing for you. If you only need 70 db then a 100 db duplexer does nothing more for you than a 70 db duplexer. 73 Gary

[Repeater-Builder] Information needed on Aerotron Railroad radio

2009-08-22 Thread kc8wjg
I acquired an Alpha 1600 and would like to reprogram the home channels (this is RX enabled only BTW.) I was able to locate a PDF manual for the Alpha 1700 which is almost identical externally, but apparently has some more advanced features that appear to make it equivalent to a Moto RR spectra.

Fw: [Repeater-Builder] OT:THE MOBILE TELEPHONE

2009-08-22 Thread John Sehring
What I recall about these mobile telephones (at least in NJ when I lived there) was that they didn't put quarter-wave VHF whips on roof or trunk but used a genuine coaxial dipole on about a 2 foot long mast installed on a fender.  I guess they felt that a better way. --John --- On Fri,

Fw: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-22 Thread John Sehring
I turn out that use of CP in urban suburban areas results in somewhat more signal strength on linearly polarized antennas, e.g. vertical whips on cars straight rod aerials on portable FM radios.   Due to preferential scattering of vertically polarized sigs from typical urban structures, there

Fw: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-22 Thread John Sehring
Oh, I forgot...circular polarization would be excellent to use on VHF and UHF repeater.  We want the extra signal strength the multipath would be way less; less deviation 5 kHz vs. 75 kHz means less susceptability to multipath.  Pasternak's Repeater Handbook shows actual results. --- On Fri,