[Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-04-16 Thread zigs68
Hi - I read in a post you made in late March on the hamtrbo.org forum about trying out the Hytera (HYT) equipment on a mototrbo system you had up and running to see how it worked and how compatible it was. Also you mentioned an outlet for hams to purchase. Of the HYT dealers I have seen and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-14 Thread Nate Duehr
On Mar 13, 2010, at 1:35 AM, Kris Kirby wrote: Don't forget that a public safety radio system and a Japanese ham protocol are two different things. The Japanese language is ideological, English is something else. We don't think the same, or implement things the same ways. That's one of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-14 Thread Kris Kirby
On Sun, 14 Mar 2010, Nate Duehr wrote: That's one of the mildly interesting things about TRBO, it's not a Public Safety system. It's commercial, but rarely used in Public Safety... Perhaps what you're saying (paraphrased here) is MotoTRBO is D-STAR done by Americans.? LOL... that'll

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-14 Thread k7pfj
Kris, Mototrbo is not DStar and DStar only has one voice path. Just to add some confussion to the mix, There are many public safety agencies using Mototrbo and love it. Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ 6886 Sage Ave Firestone, CO 80504 303-736-9693 k7...@skybeam.com On Mar 14, 2010, at 12:54 PM,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-14 Thread Nate Duehr
On Mar 14, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Kris Kirby wrote: If there is one thing that seems certain in the PS arena, it is that Motorola is trying to sell every solution except something APCO-25 compliant, and attempting to confuse thier customers into purchasing systems which are not. Actually

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-14 Thread Nate Duehr
On Mar 14, 2010, at 2:49 PM, k7pfj wrote: Just to add some confussion to the mix, There are many public safety agencies using Mototrbo and love it. Not to mention blowing any chance of their radios interoperating with the County next door... Tower of Babel. Build it to the sky. That's the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-13 Thread Kris Kirby
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Nate Duehr wrote: It's well-implemented, and as one local pointed out... it behaves like I expect a commercial radio system to... he was comparing to D-STAR where you *have* to fidget and mess with callsigns, etc... to really utilize all the features... in TRBO, he

[Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-13 Thread wb0vhb
You can also find out more information about how Mototrbo is being used by amateur radio operators at this link. trbo.info We currently have 10 Mototrbo repeater connected via IP coast to coast and border to border. Randy WB0VHB --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-12 Thread MCH
From what some are saying, all 'colors' are active on all repeaters. It's like having a repeater that passes CTCSS. Anyone can use your repeater and you cannot shut the code (or color) off. Again, this is what I'm hearing from some people. Joe M. Nate Duehr wrote: The color codes are like

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-12 Thread MCH
But if it passes everything, it's like putting a repeater on the air CSQ - you can't have another repeater within range of the first one. Joe M. Brian Raker wrote: You do have to program it to use a set frequency pair, just like any other repeater. -BR On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-12 Thread MCH
- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of MCH Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:42 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems Just the frequency, and not which TGs it passes? Do all TRBO repeaters pass all TRBO format

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-12 Thread Nate Duehr
On Mar 12, 2010, at 8:38 AM, MCH wrote: So you have color codes, TGs, AND RIDs and each repeater has only one color code? I'll see if I can find out about the color codes. I think a repeater will pass more than one, and I think you DO program that part... but not sure. They're only using

[Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-12 Thread nj902
Answers to most of the Mototrbo questions can be found in the Mototrbo System Planner. Here is some information on color codes and groups copied from that document: Color codes are defined by the Digital Mobile Radio (DMR) standard and can be used to separate two or more MOTOTRBO digital radio

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-12 Thread Nate Duehr
On 3/12/2010 1:03 PM, nj902 wrote: Answers to most of the Mototrbo questions can be found in the Mototrbo System Planner. Here is some information on color codes and groups copied from that document: Color codes are defined by the Digital Mobile Radio (DMR) standard and can be used to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-12 Thread MCH
Great info. I assume that users are shut off via a 'kill code' to the radio since the repeater cannot be used to allow selective access. Also, is there a URL for the system planner? Joe M. nj902 wrote: Answers to most of the Mototrbo questions can be found in the Mototrbo System Planner.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-12 Thread Nate Duehr
On 3/12/2010 1:46 PM, MCH wrote: Great info. I assume that users are shut off via a 'kill code' to the radio since the repeater cannot be used to allow selective access. Also, is there a URL for the system planner? Joe M. Since I don't know if I'm supposed to have it, I sanitized it of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-12 Thread Brian Raker
If you search with Google, you can find the full PDF. -BR On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com wrote: On 3/12/2010 1:46 PM, MCH wrote: Great info. I assume that users are shut off via a 'kill code' to the radio since the repeater cannot be used to allow

[Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-12 Thread nj902
The current version of the Planner document discusses the Capacity Plus [trunking] and IP Site Connect modes. This document carries part number 6880309T12-H and is available at MOL where it appears to have been posted 11 Feb 2010. There are several new Mototrbo documents there - some posted

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-12 Thread Brian Raker
The Motorola docs have likely been updated for the recently announced MTR3000 and the MTR2000 upgrade, as well as the new XPR8380 800MHz repeater. -Brian On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:11 PM, nj902 wb0...@arrl.net wrote: The current version of the Planner document discusses the Capacity Plus

[Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-12 Thread nj902
For the technically inclined reader: http://www.dmrassociation.org/what-is-dmr.htm

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-12 Thread Eric Lemmon
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 12:47 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems Great info. I assume that users are shut off via a 'kill code' to the radio since the repeater cannot be used to allow selective access. Also, is there a URL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread Nate Duehr
I talked to an owner of a system last night and he confirmed that user ID's are 8 digit, as are talk groups. There are some numbers that are reserved for all-call and other things, so the straight math doesn't work out exactly, but it's so many theoretical users and talk groups, you'd never

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread KT9AC
Time to start taking the lead and develop something!! http://developer.motorola.com/products/twowayradios/ Nate Duehr wrote: I talked to an owner of a system last night and he confirmed that user ID's are 8 digit, as are talk groups. There are some numbers that are reserved for all-call

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread MCH
And how many of these TGs can be used in a repeater at the same time? Thanks, Joe M. Nate Duehr wrote: I talked to an owner of a system last night and he confirmed that user ID's are 8 digit, as are talk groups. There are some numbers that are reserved for all-call and other things, so the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread Nate Duehr
Each repeater handles two 6.25 KHz channels simultaneously, if that's what you mean...? But both channels are continuously received by the portables/mobiles. The transmission is one big interlaced TDMA signal that takes up the full 12.5 KHz spectrum even if only one channel is in use. I can

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread Nate Duehr
Don't they charge money for that privilege? I was under the impression that they do. Nate WY0X On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:00 AM, KT9AC wrote: Time to start taking the lead and develop something!! http://developer.motorola.com/products/twowayradios/

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread wd8chl
On 3/11/2010 11:10 AM, MCH wrote: And how many of these TGs can be used in a repeater at the same time? Thanks, Joe M. Outside of the ones that are dedicated to a specific purpose, like interconnect, etc, all of them. Like any other trunked system.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread MCH
And there is not any special option to order to get multiple TGs? The base model will support all TGs that are possible? Joe M. wd8chl wrote: On 3/11/2010 11:10 AM, MCH wrote: And how many of these TGs can be used in a repeater at the same time? Thanks, Joe M. Outside of the ones that

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread MCH
I was talking about how many can be programmed in the repeater, not necessarily active at the same time per se. IOW, how many talkgroups can you program into the repeater. I'm assuming that you can 'deprogram' some if you have two systems in the same area. I think WD8CHL answered the question

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread KT9AC
Thanks for the explanation Nate. Reminds me of Smartnet II simulcast systems locally (one TG brings up all five sites for example). Tony Nate Duehr wrote: Each repeater handles two 6.25 KHz channels simultaneously, if that's what you mean...? But both channels are continuously received by

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread wd8chl
On 3/11/2010 3:50 PM, MCH wrote: And there is not any special option to order to get multiple TGs? The base model will support all TGs that are possible? Joe M. I don't see why not. It's part of the protocol, kinda like IP addresses...sorta... I'm gonna say it's on the order of 65535 total

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread Nate Duehr
On 3/11/2010 1:54 PM, MCH wrote: I was talking about how many can be programmed in the repeater, not necessarily active at the same time per se. IOW, how many talkgroups can you program into the repeater. I'm assuming that you can 'deprogram' some if you have two systems in the same area. I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread MCH
So if there are two TRBO repeaters in the same area, there is no way to keep them both from being active and interfering with each other? That doesn't sound right. Or, if I have a repeater, anyone can just buy TRBO radios and use it? Joe M. Nate Duehr wrote: On 3/11/2010 1:54 PM, MCH

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread Brian Raker
You do have to program it to use a set frequency pair, just like any other repeater. -BR On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM, MCH m...@nb.net wrote: So if there are two TRBO repeaters in the same area, there is no way to keep them both from being active and interfering with each other? That

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread MCH
Just the frequency, and not which TGs it passes? Do all TRBO repeaters pass all TRBO format transmissions? Even those of people who are not authorized to use the repeater? Joe M. Brian Raker wrote: You do have to program it to use a set frequency pair, just like any other repeater. -BR

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread Mark
a MotoTRBO system where I work - I can check further if necessary.) Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of MCH Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:42 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread Nate Duehr
On Mar 11, 2010, at 6:53 PM, MCH wrote: So if there are two TRBO repeaters in the same area, there is no way to keep them both from being active and interfering with each other? That doesn't sound right. They're on different frequencies. Not sure what you're saying here. Or, if I have a

[Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread surf_boy82
can check further if necessary.) Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of MCH Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:42 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems Just the frequency

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-11 Thread Nate Duehr
p.s. If any of this were simple, tech support jobs would dry up and be a thing of the past. :-) I literally had a lady on the phone tonight who couldn't figure out that when she clicked on twenty different things at a time, her PC got so busy it caused the operating system to start throwing

[Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-10 Thread wb6wui
Dan, TRBO-6 network website is: www.trbo.info and has some basic info for getting repeaters onto the network. Or checkout the yahoo group: mototrbousa ...Mike, wb6...@gmail.com --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Dan Blasberg ka8...@... wrote: Mike, In the DC area there is currently

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-10 Thread MCH
Along those lines? How many groups of users will the standard MotoTRBO repeater support in digital mode? I know it will do 2 simultaneously, but how many overall? Also, I know it will support a single NBFM user - can a CTCSS panel be attached to it? Thanks, Joe M. wb6wui wrote: Dan,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-10 Thread Dan Blasberg
Thanks for the info Mike. Dan KA8YPY On Mar 10, 2010, at 12:19 PM, wb6wui wrote: Dan, TRBO-6 network website is: www.trbo.info and has some basic info for getting repeaters onto the network. Or checkout the yahoo group: mototrbousa ...Mike, wb6...@gmail.com --- In

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-10 Thread Nate Duehr
On 3/10/2010 1:47 PM, MCH wrote: Along those lines? How many groups of users will the standard MotoTRBO repeater support in digital mode? I know it will do 2 simultaneously, but how many overall? Also, I know it will support a single NBFM user - can a CTCSS panel be attached to it? Thanks,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-10 Thread MCH
Just to clarify, I'm talking about what would be equal to talkgroups. Although it does make me feel better others cannot find the answer either. :-) Joe M. Nate Duehr wrote: On 3/10/2010 1:47 PM, MCH wrote: Along those lines? How many groups of users will the standard MotoTRBO

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-03-10 Thread vr2 xvd
Hi all, It may a bit out of topic . For increase the coverage of a single site TDMA format repeater. Dual to the time delay from distance . Can we put a power Amp. to do that . Or Add a power Amp . on the FDMA fromat repeater may more , less better ? TNX 73s de VR2XVD On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at

[Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-02-28 Thread Jeff
Look for this to appear in the next version of Icom's vocoder. 'JK --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr n...@... wrote: What specific radio will do both NXDN and P25... and what would firmware loads to do both legally, cost? Carrying a laptop and switching when needed,

[Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

2010-02-14 Thread skipp025
Just because Motorola comes out with a system first does not always mean it will be accepted as the de-facto standard, Normally you'd want to think the above is true... You should see the line of Borg (event attendees) waiting to get into the IWCE Motorola Displays. Almost in-line pushing