Re: [Repeater-Builder] Temp Control Circuit

2008-01-25 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 06:50 PM 01/24/08, you wrote: I've been searching for a very simple circuit that could turn on a, maybe, 10 watt resistor at 12 volts, when the temperature drops to perhaps 30F or so. Anyone have a reliable favorite? Laryn K8TVZ Use a simple heating thermostat, available at Home Depot. Have

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Kris Kirby
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't imagine why you'd want to go to the trouble of building a GMRS repeater. It's for the education, experience and pride in putting something together and getting it to work. It also for ththe frustration and fun that goes along with it.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Gary Schafer
How are you checking for desense? Are you using an isolated T between the duplexer and antenna line and doing the same when measuring desense on the dummy load? Are you measuring site noise? Do this the same way you would measure desense with the isolated T in the line. But first see what the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group

2008-01-25 Thread MCH
As they say... stuff happens. (or words to that effect) :-) Joe M. WD7F - John in Tucson wrote: Yeah, I misread the post and my brain looked at 110 and recorded 210. The 110 is an old controller. So, it was Duh!, I'm an idiot! It has something to do with being 67, I'm sure. de WD7F

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Stupid Question about Db antennas.

2008-01-25 Thread Laryn Lohman
Just so we're singing from the same page, a few comments first. Pointing the dipoles all in one direction, for instance, increases the gain of a DB224 from 6dbd to 9dbd in the favored direction. And off the *back*, there is still a gain of 3dbd. It has a front-to-back ratio of 6db. Useful, but

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Stupid Question about Db antennas.

2008-01-25 Thread res1q6fs
Taking your idea a step further, it would be interesting how 3 real beams, fed with a power splitter, would work in this case. There was an article on this many, many years ago about mounting an array of vertically polarized mounted beams (5-6 element I think in pairs) each pair fired

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread nj902
This question has initiated an interesting exchange of ideas. Many good suggestions have been provided. The fact that the desensitization exists when operating duplex on either of two antennas, or when using split antennas, combined with the results of the other tests [minimal desensitization

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Eric Lemmon
I think you may have overlooked the fact that desense was observed even when a dummy load was connected directly to the output of the duplexer. That pretty much eliminates anything external to the repeater itself, doesn't it? 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From:

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Steve Allred
Just make sure to pull the unused loop out of the cavity. Steve / K6SCA Gary Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have an extra band pass cavity then you also have a notch cavity. Just connect a T to one port of the band pass cavity and ignore the other port on the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Gary Schafer
If you have an extra band pass cavity then you also have a notch cavity. Just connect a T to one port of the band pass cavity and ignore the other port on the cavity. This will work as a notch cavity for your testing. 73 Gary K4FMX _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group

2008-01-25 Thread WD7F - John in Tucson
Yeah, I misread the post and my brain looked at 110 and recorded 210. The 110 is an old controller. So, it was Duh!, I'm an idiot! It has something to do with being 67, I'm sure. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Richard Sharp, KQ4KX
One issue may very well be the insufficient isolation considering the TX power level. If you really want to run that much power I'd highly recommend having bandpass filter(s) between the PA and the duplexer - this will help reduce broadband noise from the PA. Bandpass filter(s) between the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Eric Lemmon
Stu, It looks to me as if you have covered almost all of the bases, and have eliminated every one of the typical causes of desense. However, there is one possibility that has not been mentioned: Leakage inside the Micor radio. Even with a careful duplex conversion, there are several sneak

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group

2008-01-25 Thread MCH
That was my first thought, too. But, when someone talks about the dead RC110 group, and you post that you are receiving mail fine from the RC210 group, I guess I'm just too much of an idiot to connect the dots of relevance. Maybe you could do that for me? What does the RC210 group have to do

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Stupid Question about Db antennas.

2008-01-25 Thread MCH
It should not matter what direction(s) they are pointed in. As you said, they can be changed from omni (all 4 directions) to all in one direction without changing anything else. It's all the same antenna. You can point two in one direction and the other two 90 degrees off those and leave a null

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Ralph Mowery
--- Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stu, I think 250 watts is far too much power for that duplexer to properly isolate. Try running just your exciter, or try no more than 30 watts or so. My 220 repeater runs just 18 watts, and it is almost perfectly balanced. I am using the same

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Eric Lemmon
Stu, I think 250 watts is far too much power for that duplexer to properly isolate. Try running just your exciter, or try no more than 30 watts or so. My 220 repeater runs just 18 watts, and it is almost perfectly balanced. I am using the same Telewave duplexer, and I have zero desense.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group

2008-01-25 Thread DCFluX
Yeah, he says the group has been dead for sometime. Anyway I cancelled the request. On 1/25/08, WD7F - John in Tucson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Arck - AH6LE de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - *From:* Jim Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group

2008-01-25 Thread WD7F - John in Tucson
Ken Arck - AH6LE de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Jim Brown To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group I tried to join several times a couple of years ago, and was refused by the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread craigclarknh
That's kind of a harsh statement! I know more GMRS users that are hams than are not. Many of us use GMRS so we can get others such as family members on the air and maybe they'll get interested and get a ticket. Others may know enough but simply have no desire to become hams. Many users are

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Micor UHF repeater manual

2008-01-25 Thread Matt Gallandat
Thanks, Paul, and all others for the replies. Still looking for that common sense. Let you know when I find it. Matt - Original Message From: Paul Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:20:13 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder]

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Jack Hayes
There are certainly exceptions but most people I know who do GMRS didn't know enuf to pass a ham test -- which is the reason for my question. The Desktrac is 40 (pardon my typo) 73 Jack Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Vibrasponder needed

2008-01-25 Thread Randy
TRY: http://home.comcast.net/~msr2000/ or Panik Electronics In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, hapgriffin01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a 100.0 Hz Vibrasponder for a MSR-2000 PL Module TRN5075A. Can anyone help? Hap Griffin WZ4O

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group

2008-01-25 Thread MCH
The 210 group is different than the 110 group. Joe M. WD7F - John in Tucson wrote: Really? I get mail from [RC210] rc210 at yahoogroups.com every day. Wonder what that's about. - Original Message - From: DCFluX To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25,

[Repeater-Builder] Stupid Question about Db antennas.

2008-01-25 Thread dallasreact112
I have a question about the DB base antennas such as the DB-224, DB- 420, etc. As most of you know they consist of folded dipole trombones mounted on the mast at 90 degree angles with a phasing harness to create a omnidirectional pattern. I have heard of pointing the trombones all in one

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group

2008-01-25 Thread WD7F - John in Tucson
Really? I get mail from [RC210] rc210 at yahoogroups.com every day. Wonder what that's about. - Original Message - From: DCFluX To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group Yeah, he says the group has

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread rb_n3dab
Couple of thoughts from one who is not to technically oriented. 1. Have you tried putting any notch filters between the duplexer and rcvr. to notch the TX freq. ? 2. Have you checked all of your cables and heliax connecters for proper installation ? I only ask this because I was having

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Tony Faiola
Hey Jeff: I think there are some out there that might question agita. Haven't heard that term in a while (and don't want to have it). Ciao, Tony Jeff DePolo wrote: We have a 222 MHz repeater comprised of a converted Micor mobile, Telewave TPRD-2254 BpBr duplexer, AM-6155 PA modified for

[Repeater-Builder] EF Johnson CR1010 Crystal Replacement

2008-01-25 Thread John D.
I have a CR1010 repeater that needs to have new crystals installed to change the frequency from 451.200 to 451.250 on the TX and 456.200 to 456.250 on the Rx. I tried to get crystals from EF Johnson and they said they no longer support this repeater. I then tried to get crystals from

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Jack Hayes
I think the desktrac is 49w The Ritron is 7 or 8 which is more than enough for here. wd8chl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Hayes wrote: I can't imagine why you'd want to go to the trouble of building a GMRS repeater. Two years ago I purchased a Motorola

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread craigclarknh
According to my second sentence it is more the rule than the exception. I have said enough, I wish you the best! 73's. -- Original message -- From: Jack Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] THERE ARE CERTAINLY EXCEPTIONS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Jeff DePolo
We have a 222 MHz repeater comprised of a converted Micor mobile, Telewave TPRD-2254 BpBr duplexer, AM-6155 PA modified for class C operation at 250W, and a DB-264JJ antenna at 80 ft. fed by 1/2' Heliax on a commercial FM broadcast tower . With the duplexer terminated into a load, we

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Vibrasponder needed

2008-01-25 Thread Randy
Motorola did'nt make a TRN 5075A transponder... Their numbers go from: 5073A to 5076A . . In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, hapgriffin01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a 100.0 Hz Vibrasponder for a MSR-2000 PL Module TRN5075A. Can anyone help? Hap Griffin WZ4O

[Repeater-Builder] Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Stu Benner
Our group has substantial technical knowledge and experience, but we've been just about beaten down by a problem with our repeater. A brief overview of our situation follows. We have a 222 MHz repeater comprised of a converted Micor mobile, Telewave TPRD-2254 BpBr duplexer, AM-6155 PA modified

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Jack Hayes
THERE ARE CERTAINLY EXCEPTIONS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's kind of a harsh statement! I know more GMRS users that are hams than are not. Many of us use GMRS so we can get others such as family members on the air and maybe they'll get

Re: [Repeater-Builder] EF Johnson CR1010 Crystal Replacement

2008-01-25 Thread radio5000
Call Quadratics, (850)862-9333 ask for Bob Kernen, W4MTD. They are an EF Johnson dealer. He may be able to help you. In a message dated 1/25/2008 7:31:06 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a CR1010 repeater that needs to have new crystals installed to change

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread n6lrv
I was describing the many bandwidth options offered in many new PC programmable commercial two-way radios today. Maybe we're looking at two different things but I see GMRS channels as 12.5Khz apart from each other. Channel one for example is 462.5500 where channel two is 462.5625. Gary

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Outdoor Enclosure

2008-01-25 Thread Dan Blasberg
Thanks for all of the replies, I believe we have found one and are working to obtain it. Dan KA8YPY Yahoo! Groups Links

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group

2008-01-25 Thread Jim Brown
I tried to join several times a couple of years ago, and was refused by the moderator. My RC110 has been back to Ken Arc and was returned still unreliable. It will ocationally do a reset while you are trying to enter a macro, and will ocationally fail to turn on the audio to the link when it

RE: [Repeater-Builder] EF Johnson CR1010 Crystal Replacement

2008-01-25 Thread Eric Lemmon
John, I suggest that you send the holders, with the old crystals, to International Crystal or to any competent crystal house. Simply instruct ICM to change the TX and RX from the existing frequencies to the desired new frequencies. It'll cost you about $100 for the pair, but you'll wind up with

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Milt
The GMRS full power channels are 462.550, 462.575, 462.600, 462.625, 462.650, 462.675, 462.700, 462.725. Deviation is +\- 5KHz. Power output 50 watts + antenna gain, if any. The interstitle channels like 462.5625 are used by the FRS kiddie-talkies. 500mW power, +\- 2.5KHz deviation, no

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread Stu Benner
Thanks to everyone for the replies so far. Please see comments embedded below. I think that they address most of the comments, questions, and recommendations posed by all to this point. If you suspect IMD between the channel 12 DTV transmitter and your Tx carrier, work on attenuating the DTV

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Desense Problem on 222 MHz Repeater

2008-01-25 Thread DCFluX
Any chance you can connect a spectrum analyzer to the duplexers receieve port? Make tests to look at the IF range and the receiver range with and without the transmitter active. This will tell you alot. For example on a 2m repeater we had a dirty SMPS in the vicinity of the antenna that

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group

2008-01-25 Thread WD7F - John in Tucson
Duh ! - Original Message - From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group The 210 group is different than the 110 group. Joe M. WD7F - John in Tucson wrote: Really? I get mail