Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola radios and Zetron 37 controller - additional

2010-06-23 Thread x.tait.tech
Maybe awesome radios, one should try and get hold of the programing software, it's a nightmare Marcus On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Tony KT9AC kt...@ameritech.net wrote: Sorry, and apologies for the extra email, just wanted the info to be complete. The 3 near the end is the range -

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola radios and Zetron 37 controller

2010-06-23 Thread n3ssl
Hi Group, The first thing to monitor is the TX power does it drop when it locks up? After years the GM300's are prone to problems with loose connectors dealing with temp changes. Read the article on the repeater-builder's website concerning the GM300 and Maxtrac about the VCO adjustments also

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna Experience Needed!

2010-06-23 Thread Robert
If you look at many commercial sites, many are pretty close together. I am not saying that is good or bad, but apparently it works for them. Especially if it is on different bands. You can take a close up look at our repeater(s) install;

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna Experience Needed!

2010-06-23 Thread Chuck Kelsey
My vote would be for folded dipole arrays. Sinclair, Comprod, Telewave and Andrew make good ones. I have seen far too many failures with fiberglass collinear antennas - lighting and particularly internal failure causing untold noise generation to the repeater itself as well as to every radio

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna Experience Needed!

2010-06-23 Thread Sid
My choice would be the DB-224 type. Sid WA4VBC --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Kelsey wb2...@... wrote: My vote would be for folded dipole arrays. Sinclair, Comprod, Telewave and Andrew make good ones. I have seen far too many failures with fiberglass collinear antennas -

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola radios and Zetron 37 controller

2010-06-23 Thread tracomm
This is a regular issue with many controllers, especially Trident Raiders several Comm Spec units, and Motorola MTR-2000 repeaters. Years ago Comm Spec supplied a small board that reset power to the controller to eliminate the problem. We installed power reset modules on all our repeaters,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna Experience Needed!

2010-06-23 Thread Larry Horlick
Keep in mind the bandwidth of the antenna. lh On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Sid purvis...@yahoo.com wrote: My choice would be the DB-224 type. Sid WA4VBC --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com, Chuck Kelsey wb2...@... wrote: My vote would be for

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna Experience Needed!

2010-06-23 Thread Chuck Kelsey
I'm assuming you mean the section of the particular band that a particular model will cover. 'Most' folded dipole arrays and collinear fiberglass manufacturers have models that cover the entire ham band in question, and then some. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Larry

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna Experience Needed!

2010-06-23 Thread Larry Horlick
Do you expect to EVER allow other, non-ham users, to multi-couple to this antenna? Plan carefully. If you anticipate to share, then the bandwidth become very important. For example, a Sinclair 210C Series antenna has a 36 mHz, 1.5:1 VSWR bandwidth, essentially covering the whole VHF high band. A

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna Experience Needed!

2010-06-23 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Larry is correct. My own personal hope and desire is that there will NOT be other users. Call me greedy, I suppose, but the less RF at the site, the better. However, the guy that posted the original question certainly needs to consider the possibilities. (Sorry, don't remember his name - short

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna Experience Needed!

2010-06-23 Thread Larry Horlick
Understood Chuck. Depends on the circumstances. I know of a couple of ham groups that have traded antenna space for tower space. The tower owner gave them free space provided he could multi-couple to that antenna. The new systems at the site would be responsible for filtering. It was a win-win and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna Experience Needed!

2010-06-23 Thread Chuck Kelsey
You bet. My main repeater site is one that I purchased. The only one that can throw me off is my wife. LOL. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Larry Horlick To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola radios and Zetron 37 (reset timers for frozen controllers)

2010-06-23 Thread skipp025
Re: Motorola radios and Zetron 37 (reset timers for frozen controllers) tracomm trac...@... wrote: This is a regular issue with many controllers, especially Trident Raiders several Comm Spec units, and Motorola MTR-2000 repeaters. I have yet to find any type of relatively complex

[Repeater-Builder] Tessco - free shipping promotion

2010-06-23 Thread Jeff DePolo
My Tessco account rep emailed me that they're running a promotion this week - free shipping. So if you're thinking about buying a big repeater antenna or a reel of Heliax, save big money on truck freight if you order this week. --- Jeff WN3A

[Repeater-Builder] GE Power Supply 19A149978BP1

2010-06-23 Thread Chuck Kimball
Anyone familiar with this beast? It was installed with a MastrII station, but it's putting out 16VDC. It's a newer supply 3RU/Black Front. Looking inside I'm not seeing many options for getting the voltage down. Repeater-Builder.com has a couple of references to the Power Supply in other

[Repeater-Builder] Counterfeit ICs

2010-06-23 Thread skipp025
Hello again Sailors, A friend sent this information to me and I thought it's well worth passing along. I've removed some of the company name specific portions. Re: Counterfeit ICs [pasted text below] We had a meeting about this last week. The supply chain folks were given some pretty

[Repeater-Builder] Quantar Simulcast Issue

2010-06-23 Thread wmhpowell
I'm looking for some Quantar engineering level help re: an interesting simulcast issue. I live in an area where I can hear several of high band our simulcast Quantars. The whole thing was installed and set up by Motorola including GPS stabilized time bases. I'm monitoring with a true monitor:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Quantar Simulcast Issue

2010-06-23 Thread DCFluX
Are the cables coming from the GPS reference are the same length at both sites? Also if these are VHF it could be that the reference frequency (channel spacing) is 5 kHz, if that is the case a harmonic of a paging tone might get past the audio pass band filtering 300 - 3000 Hz typically and is

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Quantar Simulcast Issue

2010-06-23 Thread skipp025
wmhpowell w...@... wrote: I'm looking for some Quantar engineering level help re: an interesting simulcast issue. Does it have to be Quantar? I live in an area where I can hear several of high band our simulcast Quantars. The whole thing was installed and set up by Motorola

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Quantar Simulcast Issue

2010-06-23 Thread Jeff DePolo
Are the cables coming from the GPS reference are the same length at both sites? Maybe I'm missing something here, but how the heck would the length of the cable from the reference oscillator to the transmitter/exciter matter? It's just the frequency reference (10 MHz or whatever) for the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Quantar Simulcast Issue

2010-06-23 Thread DCFluX
Propagation delay in the coax. Get a dual trace oscilloscope and feed it with a 10 MHz GPS, off of a Tee and into 2 different lengths of coax. I could see the DC offset thing if the audio was coupled with a 1uF cap at one site and a 0.1uF at the other. Maybe I'm missing something here, but how

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Quantar Simulcast Issue

2010-06-23 Thread Matthew Kaufman
wmhpowell wrote: I'm looking for some Quantar engineering level help re: an interesting simulcast issue. I live in an area where I can hear several of high band our simulcast Quantars. The whole thing was installed and set up by Motorola including GPS stabilized time bases. I'm monitoring

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Quantar Simulcast Issue

2010-06-23 Thread Matthew Kaufman
DCFluX wrote: Are the cables coming from the GPS reference are the same length at both sites? This wouldn't matter at all. For frequency, it has no effect, and if the GPS 1pps is being used for audio phase this would just offset the phase as though the transmitter itself were moved by the

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Quantar Simulcast Issue

2010-06-23 Thread nj902
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, wmhpowell w...@... wrote: I'm looking for some Quantar engineering level help re: an interesting simulcast issue. ... Thanks, Bill Powell -- When you say this system was set up and installed

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Quantar Simulcast Issue

2010-06-23 Thread Jeff DePolo
Propagation delay in the coax. Propagation delay doesn't affect anything on the reference output side of the GPSDO. The phase of the reference oscillator can vary -- the synthesizer doesn't care about the phase of the reference oscillator, only the frequency. Likewise, the VCO output isn't

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Quantar Simulcast Issue

2010-06-23 Thread DCFluX
Well if the transmitters are running at the same frequency but at a different phase it is reasonable to expect that there would be some point where the 2 transmitters are at close to the same power level, but 180 degrees out of phase which should cancel out the receiver or at least make

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Quantar Simulcast Issue

2010-06-23 Thread Matthew Kaufman
DCFluX wrote: Well if the transmitters are running at the same frequency but at a different phase it is reasonable to expect that there would be some point where the 2 transmitters are at close to the same power level, but 180 degrees out of phase which should cancel out the receiver or at