Re: Avalon - moving away from ?

2004-07-28 Thread Danny Angus
Yup I forgot the the internals of Mailet are entangled with Avalon. When 3.0 is mooted, and backward compatability for mailets is not required, someone ping me :-) Hi Paul, Ping... We've gone some way down the road to making the Mailet API free from the hidden dependance on avalon. I've

RE: Avalon - moving away from ? ( User view )

2004-07-28 Thread Roy Henderson
A user view: What I want as a solution provider is a stable ( i.e. reliable, not frozen ) platform to deliver services. I want it to evolve as both hardware and software evolve. I want it to be pure Java, but I don't particularly care how it is implemented - meaning within a container /

Missing Option AuthRequiredForAllIPs

2004-07-28 Thread Jacques Lema
Hi, I stumbled across a problem with james (2.2.0), ASSP (antispam filter) and Thunderbird as mail client. The problem is that Mozilla Thunderbird does NOT use authentification is the server does not advertise it supports it (250 - AUTH LOGIN PLAIN). If it doesn't state that is supports AUTH

Re: Missing Option AuthRequiredForAllIPs

2004-07-28 Thread Danny Angus
The result? The connection issued by ASSP comes from 127.0.0.1 which is an authorized address, for obvious reasons. As a consequences james answer to isAuthorized() is Yes, which causes it not to display the 250 auth login message and therefore causes thunderbird not to use auth. I though

Re: Missing Option AuthRequiredForAllIPs

2004-07-28 Thread Vincenzo Gianferrari Pini
Danny Angus wrote: The result? The connection issued by ASSP comes from 127.0.0.1 which is an authorized address, for obvious reasons. As a consequences james answer to isAuthorized() is Yes, which causes it not to display the 250 auth login message and therefore causes thunderbird not to use

Re: Missing Option AuthRequiredForAllIPs

2004-07-28 Thread Jacques Lema
Yes, of course I actually fixed the problem for me by commenting this line since this exact server doesn't really need to allow localhost to send mail. However I think it would be a nice addition to have an option to force always showing the AUTH capability. I am not familiar with james source

Re: Missing Option AuthRequiredForAllIPs

2004-07-28 Thread Vincenzo Gianferrari Pini
But wouldn't it be totally equivalent to commenting out such option? Vincenzo Jacques Lema wrote: Yes, of course I actually fixed the problem for me by commenting this line since this exact server doesn't really need to allow localhost to send mail. However I think it would be a nice addition to

Re: Missing Option AuthRequiredForAllIPs

2004-07-28 Thread Jacques Lema
No it wouldn't. Imagine I would like to send mail from localhost without authentication? I just can't. At this point I have to chose between authentication working through a local proxy or allowing localhost to send mail. Vincenzo Gianferrari Pini wrote: But wouldn't it be totally equivalent

Re: Avalon - moving away from ?

2004-07-28 Thread Paul Hammant
Noel, Huh? No they aren't. Quite the opposite. You had advocated that years ago, and there was resistence to doing so. There are a few mailets with Avalon ties, but those are being removed. Mailets will depend upon standard services, such as JNDI, not Avalon. I think that I suggested that

Re: Missing Option AuthRequiredForAllIPs

2004-07-28 Thread Danny Angus
At this point I have to chose between authentication working through a local proxy or allowing localhost to send mail. You asked for authentication to be required for localhost, you can't ask for it not to be required at the same time! d.

Re: Missing Option AuthRequiredForAllIPs

2004-07-28 Thread Jacques Lema
Let me explain :-) I don't want to _require_ authentication. I want it to be a possibility. What I would like is: a) be able to send a mail from localhost without authentication b) be able to send a mail from localhost (precisely from a spam-filtering proxy such as ASSP) _with_ authentication.

Re: Missing Option AuthRequiredForAllIPs

2004-07-28 Thread Danny Angus
What I would like is: a) be able to send a mail from localhost without authentication b) be able to send a mail from localhost (precisely from a spam-filtering proxy such as ASSP) _with_ authentication. As I understood it advertising AUTH supported is equivalet to requiring auth, are you

RE: Avalon - moving away from ?

2004-07-28 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Refactoring the bulk of James into POJOs would be a good thing. Just not good enough on technical merit alone. I don't see a 'killer' reason. Without one I cannot see why effort should be diverted from enhancing James up to v3 as previously envisaged. I said that first off, but if Paul is

Killer Reason (was RE: Avalon - moving away from ?)

2004-07-28 Thread Stephen McConnell
Do others have their own killer reasons right now? I've got some killer reasons to get into some restructuring once James is on svn. For example - breaking out James subsystems into discrete units enabling: * better management of unit tests * improved separation of api and implementation

RE: Migration ... change for Thread Pool

2004-07-28 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 06:50 To: Stephen McConnell Cc: James-Dev Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Migration ... change for Thread Pool Stephen, In branch_2_1_fcs. we use