Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Ode Coyote]

Before I started making my own, this is what I used. [Ode]

Light Box with Chrome mirror acrylic top with 1-1/4" hole - LB5

https://www.amazon.com/Light-Chrome-mirror-acrylic-hole/dp/B01DLA5LBI

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:24 PM, Victor Cozzetto  wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> Wow, you are right! I didn't realize that he stopped selling that.
> I'll have to update my own websites lol
>
> I have actually made a few of my own. It is just a 15w bulb in a box. But
> he had a nice looking round stand, so it was worth it. It is easy to build,
> if you are so inclined, but perhaps you can find something similar on
> Amazon or something. I'll probably search for a suitable replacement
> myself, as I will certainly continue to recommend this setup.
>
> Victor
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Top Dog  wrote:
>
>> Unless I missed it someplace it doesn't appear to be an item for sale
>> anymore on the site.
>>
>> -Bob
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2017 9:15 PM, "Victor Cozzetto" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I strongly recommend the thermal stirrer with the Silverpuppy. Both
>>> items are sold on the site. The thermal stirrer gives you the addition of
>>> some temperature control, which makes timing more consistent and enables
>>> you to produce the CS in colder environments; a must for some people. I've
>>> probably setup a dozen people with such, and all work great.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 1, 2017, at 9:59, Top Dog  wrote:
>>>
>>> Was just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only reasoning is just
>>> one less piece of equipment to worry about. No other reason really. As I'm
>>> not planning on being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but all for
>>> making sure I'm creating a quality consistent batch. I'll find the link on
>>> the site in a few mins.
>>>
>>> -Bob
>>>
>>> On Mar 31, 2017 8:40 PM, "Neville"  wrote:
>>>
 G'day Bob,


 Quite to the contrary.  If only making a drinking glass full would be
 OK, but anything larger by volume needs stirring to keep things moving
 around whilst brewing.  I'll leave it to the experts to explain.


 Why do you think it's a plus for not stirring?


 N.


 --
 *From:* Top Dog 
 *Sent:* Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:51 AM
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* CS>Final choices of units?

 Hi all,

 Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this
 weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and
 the SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some
 conflicting some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to
 get colloidal silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting.

 At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget
 as much as possible
 using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.

 Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those
 units.

 Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the
 consensus is that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made
 and looks like a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that
 really is the case.

 Thanks for everyone's opinion.

 -Bob

>>>
>

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Bob:

This is interesting, I'm certainly going to investigate further. I'm 
glad to see someone with a unique viewpoint.


That said, there is a lot of bad science out there masquerading as good 
science.


Do you know what... if any... actual analytical work has been done on 
EIS made with his process?


Time kill studies by chance?

~Jason


On 4/1/2017 9:38 AM, bob Larson wrote:
Polarity swapping helps a lot but adding a stir is still nice.  If 
you're going to get into reducing stabilizing and Cafe you definitely 
need a stirrer as well as borosilicate beaker and a hot plate.


The Facebook group "colloidal gold and colloidalsilver" is where a 
bunch of us have been learning from a chemist physiologist teacher in 
Sweden named Per Dahlin.  An automated machine making ionic like the 
silver puppy isn't what you want to get into all that AgNP & CGold 
stuff.  You need a current regulated simple power supply that you 
control manually no polarity swap you must torch your oxide back to 
Elemental silver every 15 or 20 minutes.  While the process requires 
involvement and Direct Control it is versatile.  Everything you need 
to know about the basic science and the Brewing processes are in the 
files of that group.  The setup to have would be a silver puppy Plus a 
laboratory bench power supply which is about a hundred bucks. 
 Straight ionic CS is used as a preservative part of a blend that 
keeps lecithin or gelatin from going funky because the Nanna particles 
are all covered up and can't protect each other.  You can make 
beautiful ionic CS with the NP oriented gear ( allowing precisely 
controlled and quick production) but it's best for me to brew ionic on 
a back-Brewer while The AgNP brewer that must be fussed with is in front.
My Facebook friends are running with this commercially and doing 
great.  Ionic and nanoparticle blends are becoming very popular with 
their customers.  Reducing with manuka honey is the latest rage.


On Apr 1, 2017 5:50 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:

Why no more stirrers:

Magnetic:
Everything is made in China now [ie motors]
Quality control has gone out the window and I just can't get
motors that will predictably last even after weeding out 40% of
them as obviously defective.
Even the very expensive custom American made motors were only 80%
usable
I've redesigned for different motors 8 times now and each time the
quality and consistency erodes and a stirrer was only needed
back when generator output was DC.

But it's more personal than that.
It hurts my feelings to sell "junk", especially junk you don't need.

No amount of stirring will touch the Nearnst Diffusion layer at
the electrode surface where things happen on the "Micro" atomic level.
The "Macro" diffusion level is sufficiently handled by natural
convection, Brownian Motion and ion velocity.

The thermal stirrers heat the water when you don't want the heat.
At 20 PPM the solution is in over saturation and ions are more
forced into becoming uncharged molecules of silver oxide and
hydroxide.
Sometimes on a cold day the auto off at 20 uS would predominantly
make particles before it reached 20 uS and never shut down.
Heating the water helped on that score by raising the saturation
point of the water but with every 10 degrees of temperature 3 uS
in conductivity is added, so, at 20 uS and 90 deg F water 6 uS was
from heat, not silver.
Hot water makes ions more chemically reactive.
 I had not been able to make EIS at over 120 deg F that didn't
oxidize.
 [Coffee maker hot plates are too hot]

 "Back in the day" conductive ion tracks forming using straight DC
output was a much worse problem.

Now the [Silver 9"] gen shuts down at 10 uS [PPM] where it isn't
in over saturation at room temperature and additional PPM can be
added simply by programming.
With polarity switching, the ions tracks never form to 'be' disrupted.

Best:
 Preheat the water to add conductivity without contaminating the
water when conductivity is most needed in the absence of silver.
As silver content adds conductivity, the water cools reducing
reactivity.

ode

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:30 PM, Top Dog > wrote:

Unless I missed it someplace it doesn't appear to be an item
for sale anymore on the site.

-Bob

On Mar 31, 2017 9:15 PM, "Victor Cozzetto"
>
wrote:

I strongly recommend the thermal stirrer with the
Silverpuppy. Both items are sold on the site. The thermal
stirrer gives you the addition of some temperature
control, which makes timing more consistent and enables
you to produce the CS in colder environments; a must for
some 

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[phoenix23...@tds.net]

and these are the kind of comments and observations that have my eyes glazing 
over 
and keep me buying cs from others.

I wish I was of a mechanical/scientific bent but, alas, no such luck.  I hope 
Ode is
ready for me when I finally purchase a Silver Puppy.  I am sure I will need a 
lot of
hand-holding.
Lola
- Original Message -
From: Joe <joerobbi...@yahoo.com>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, 01 Apr 2017 13:54:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: CS>Final choices of units?

Hello All
I have the Silver Puppy but an acquaintance told me of a machine that uses a 
silver coin-sized electrode...lasts forever and produces fine particles. The 
name escapes me. 
If anyone can recommend a "cornerstone" document or book explaining the art and 
science of CS, I'd appreciate knowing that. For example, I don't understand 
"... I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to get colloidal silver 
versus ion silver and found that info interesting." Is CS made from the 
complete silver atom and ionic from the stripped, charged ions formed from 
silver atoms? Why is one better than the other? From a good cornerstone 
document I can branch out from there. 
Thanks
Joe

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Top Dog <rsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to get colloidal silver 
> versus ion silver and found that info interesting. 


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Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Joe]

Hello All
I have the Silver Puppy but an acquaintance told me of a machine that uses a 
silver coin-sized electrode...lasts forever and produces fine particles. The 
name escapes me. 
If anyone can recommend a "cornerstone" document or book explaining the art and 
science of CS, I'd appreciate knowing that. For example, I don't understand 
"... I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to get colloidal silver 
versus ion silver and found that info interesting." Is CS made from the 
complete silver atom and ionic from the stripped, charged ions formed from 
silver atoms? Why is one better than the other? From a good cornerstone 
document I can branch out from there. 
Thanks
Joe

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Top Dog  wrote:
> 
> I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to get colloidal silver 
> versus ion silver and found that info interesting. 


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Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[bob Larson]

Polarity swapping helps a lot but adding a stir is still nice.  If you're going to get into reducing stabilizing and Cafe you definitely need a stirrer as well as borosilicate beaker and a hot plate.  The Facebook group "colloidal gold and colloidalsilver" is where a bunch of us have been learning from a chemist physiologist teacher in Sweden named Per Dahlin.  An automated machine making ionic like the silver puppy isn't what you want to get into all that AgNP & CGold stuff.  You need a current regulated simple power supply that you control manually no polarity swap you must torch your oxide back to Elemental silver every 15 or 20 minutes.  While the process requires involvement and Direct Control it is versatile.  Everything you need to know about the basic science and the Brewing processes are in the files of that group.  The setup to have would be a silver puppy Plus a laboratory bench power supply which is about a hundred bucks.  Straight ionic CS is used as a preservative part of a blend that keeps lecithin or gelatin from going funky because the Nanna particles are all covered up and can't protect each other.  You can make beautiful ionic CS with the NP oriented gear ( allowing precisely controlled and quick production) but it's best for me to brew ionic on a back-Brewer while The AgNP brewer that must be fussed with is in front.My Facebook friends are running with this commercially and doing great.  Ionic and nanoparticle blends are becoming very popular with their customers.  Reducing with manuka honey is the latest rage.On Apr 1, 2017 5:50 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:Why no more stirrers:Magnetic:Everything is made in China now [ie motors]Quality control has gone out the window and I just can't get motors that will predictably last even after weeding out 40% of them as obviously defective.Even the very expensive custom American made motors were only 80% usableI've redesigned for different motors 8 times now and each time the quality and consistency erodes and a stirrer was only needed back when generator output was DC.But it's more personal than that.It hurts my feelings to sell "junk", especially junk you don't need.No amount of stirring will touch the Nearnst Diffusion layer at the electrode surface where things happen on the "Micro" atomic level.The "Macro" diffusion level is sufficiently handled by natural convection, Brownian Motion and ion velocity.The thermal stirrers heat the water when you don't want the heat.At 20 PPM the solution is in over saturation and ions are more forced into becoming uncharged molecules of silver oxide and hydroxide.Sometimes on a cold day the auto off at 20 uS would predominantly make particles before it reached 20 uS and never shut down.Heating the water helped on that score by raising the saturation point of the water but with every 10 degrees of temperature 3 uS in conductivity is added, so, at 20 uS and 90 deg F water 6 uS was from heat, not silver.Hot water makes ions more chemically reactive.  I had not been able to make EIS at over 120 deg F that didn't oxidize. [Coffee maker hot plates are too hot] "Back in the day" conductive ion tracks forming using straight DC output was a much worse problem.Now the [Silver 9"] gen shuts down at 10 uS [PPM] where it isn't in over saturation at room temperature and additional PPM can be added simply by programming.With polarity switching, the ions tracks never form to 'be' disrupted.Best:  Preheat the water to add conductivity without contaminating the water when conductivity is most needed in the absence of silver. As silver content adds conductivity, the water cools reducing reactivity.odeOn Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:30 PM, Top Dog  wrote:Unless I missed it someplace it doesn't appear to be an item for sale anymore on the site. -BobOn Mar 31, 2017 9:15 PM, "Victor Cozzetto"  wrote:I strongly recommend the thermal stirrer with the Silverpuppy. Both items are sold on the site. The thermal stirrer gives you the addition of some temperature control, which makes timing more consistent and enables you to produce the CS in colder environments; a must for some people. I've probably setup a dozen people with such, and all work great.VictorOn Apr 1, 2017, at 9:59, Top Dog  wrote:Was just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only reasoning is just one less piece of equipment to worry about. No other reason really. As I'm not planning on being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but all for making sure I'm creating a quality consistent batch. I'll find the link on the site in a few mins.-BobOn Mar 31, 2017 8:40 PM, "Neville"  wrote:






G'day Bob,


Quite to the contrary.  If only making a drinking glass full would be OK, but anything larger by volume needs stirring to keep things moving around whilst brewing.  I'll leave it to the experts to explain.


Why do you think it's a plus for not 

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Ode Coyote]

Why no more stirrers:

Magnetic:
Everything is made in China now [ie motors]
Quality control has gone out the window and I just can't get motors that
will predictably last even after weeding out 40% of them as obviously
defective.
Even the very expensive custom American made motors were only 80% usable
I've redesigned for different motors 8 times now and each time the quality
and consistency erodes and a stirrer was only needed back when
generator output was DC.

But it's more personal than that.
It hurts my feelings to sell "junk", especially junk you don't need.

No amount of stirring will touch the Nearnst Diffusion layer at the
electrode surface where things happen on the "Micro" atomic level.
The "Macro" diffusion level is sufficiently handled by natural convection,
Brownian Motion and ion velocity.

The thermal stirrers heat the water when you don't want the heat.
At 20 PPM the solution is in over saturation and ions are more forced into
becoming uncharged molecules of silver oxide and hydroxide.
Sometimes on a cold day the auto off at 20 uS would predominantly make
particles before it reached 20 uS and never shut down.
Heating the water helped on that score by raising the saturation point of
the water but with every 10 degrees of temperature 3 uS in conductivity is
added, so, at 20 uS and 90 deg F water 6 uS was from heat, not silver.
Hot water makes ions more chemically reactive.
 I had not been able to make EIS at over 120 deg F that didn't oxidize.
 [Coffee maker hot plates are too hot]

 "Back in the day" conductive ion tracks forming using straight DC output
was a much worse problem.

Now the [Silver 9"] gen shuts down at 10 uS [PPM] where it isn't in over
saturation at room temperature and additional PPM can be added simply by
programming.
With polarity switching, the ions tracks never form to 'be' disrupted.

Best:
 Preheat the water to add conductivity without contaminating the water when
conductivity is most needed in the absence of silver.
As silver content adds conductivity, the water cools reducing reactivity.

ode

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:30 PM, Top Dog  wrote:

> Unless I missed it someplace it doesn't appear to be an item for sale
> anymore on the site.
>
> -Bob
>
> On Mar 31, 2017 9:15 PM, "Victor Cozzetto" 
> wrote:
>
>> I strongly recommend the thermal stirrer with the Silverpuppy. Both items
>> are sold on the site. The thermal stirrer gives you the addition of some
>> temperature control, which makes timing more consistent and enables you to
>> produce the CS in colder environments; a must for some people. I've
>> probably setup a dozen people with such, and all work great.
>>
>> Victor
>>
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2017, at 9:59, Top Dog  wrote:
>>
>> Was just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only reasoning is just
>> one less piece of equipment to worry about. No other reason really. As I'm
>> not planning on being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but all for
>> making sure I'm creating a quality consistent batch. I'll find the link on
>> the site in a few mins.
>>
>> -Bob
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2017 8:40 PM, "Neville"  wrote:
>>
>>> G'day Bob,
>>>
>>>
>>> Quite to the contrary.  If only making a drinking glass full would be
>>> OK, but anything larger by volume needs stirring to keep things moving
>>> around whilst brewing.  I'll leave it to the experts to explain.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why do you think it's a plus for not stirring?
>>>
>>>
>>> N.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* Top Dog 
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:51 AM
>>> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
>>> *Subject:* CS>Final choices of units?
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this
>>> weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and
>>> the SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some
>>> conflicting some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to
>>> get colloidal silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting.
>>>
>>> At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget
>>> as much as possible
>>> using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.
>>>
>>> Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those
>>> units.
>>>
>>> Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus
>>> is that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks
>>> like a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is
>>> the case.
>>>
>>> Thanks for everyone's opinion.
>>>
>>> -Bob
>>>
>>

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Jerry Durand]

If your jar is bigger than will fit, check other brands or find a metal 
disk to set on the hot plate and set the jar on the disk. Watch for 
tip-over.


On 03/31/2017 07:37 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote:

Wow, that looks perfect!
I see many similar products too.
I wish I thought of that myself sooner! :D

Victor




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[Victor Cozzetto]

Wow, that looks perfect!
I see many similar products too.
I wish I thought of that myself sooner! :D

Victor

> On Apr 1, 2017, at 11:31, Jerry Durand  wrote:
> 
> Something like this
> https://www.amazon.com/Mr-Coffee-Warmer-Office-MWBLK/dp/B000CO89T8
> 
>> On 03/31/2017 07:30 PM, Jerry Durand wrote:
>> How about a hot plate for a coffee cup?
>> 
> 
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Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Jerry Durand]

Something like this
https://www.amazon.com/Mr-Coffee-Warmer-Office-MWBLK/dp/B000CO89T8

On 03/31/2017 07:30 PM, Jerry Durand wrote:

How about a hot plate for a coffee cup?



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Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Jerry Durand]

How about a hot plate for a coffee cup?

On 03/31/2017 07:24 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote:

Hi Bob,

Wow, you are right! I didn't realize that he stopped selling that.
I'll have to update my own websites lol

I have actually made a few of my own. It is just a 15w bulb in a box. 
But he had a nice looking round stand, so it was worth it. It is easy 
to build, if you are so inclined, but perhaps you can find something 
similar on Amazon or something. I'll probably search for a suitable 
replacement myself, as I will certainly continue to recommend this setup.


Victor



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Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Victor Cozzetto]

Hi Bob,

Wow, you are right! I didn't realize that he stopped selling that.
I'll have to update my own websites lol

I have actually made a few of my own. It is just a 15w bulb in a box. But
he had a nice looking round stand, so it was worth it. It is easy to build,
if you are so inclined, but perhaps you can find something similar on
Amazon or something. I'll probably search for a suitable replacement
myself, as I will certainly continue to recommend this setup.

Victor


On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Top Dog  wrote:

> Unless I missed it someplace it doesn't appear to be an item for sale
> anymore on the site.
>
> -Bob
>
> On Mar 31, 2017 9:15 PM, "Victor Cozzetto" 
> wrote:
>
>> I strongly recommend the thermal stirrer with the Silverpuppy. Both items
>> are sold on the site. The thermal stirrer gives you the addition of some
>> temperature control, which makes timing more consistent and enables you to
>> produce the CS in colder environments; a must for some people. I've
>> probably setup a dozen people with such, and all work great.
>>
>> Victor
>>
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2017, at 9:59, Top Dog  wrote:
>>
>> Was just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only reasoning is just
>> one less piece of equipment to worry about. No other reason really. As I'm
>> not planning on being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but all for
>> making sure I'm creating a quality consistent batch. I'll find the link on
>> the site in a few mins.
>>
>> -Bob
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2017 8:40 PM, "Neville"  wrote:
>>
>>> G'day Bob,
>>>
>>>
>>> Quite to the contrary.  If only making a drinking glass full would be
>>> OK, but anything larger by volume needs stirring to keep things moving
>>> around whilst brewing.  I'll leave it to the experts to explain.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why do you think it's a plus for not stirring?
>>>
>>>
>>> N.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* Top Dog 
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:51 AM
>>> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
>>> *Subject:* CS>Final choices of units?
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this
>>> weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and
>>> the SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some
>>> conflicting some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to
>>> get colloidal silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting.
>>>
>>> At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget
>>> as much as possible
>>> using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.
>>>
>>> Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those
>>> units.
>>>
>>> Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus
>>> is that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks
>>> like a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is
>>> the case.
>>>
>>> Thanks for everyone's opinion.
>>>
>>> -Bob
>>>
>>

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Neville]

My apologies Bob, I made my own generator so I don't have that SWAP thing.


As you were .


N.



From: Top Dog <rsh...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, 1 April 2017 12:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Final choices of units?

Here is the txt from the Silver Puppy site:  Ode [ AKA Ken]



Stirrers aren't  necessary due to the S.W.A.P output of the Silverpuppy 
generators preventing conductive ion tracks forming between the electrodes when 
using the more common DC Current  output used by most generators out there. 
[Including the ~18 year old Series 1 "Pups" with only one or no switches on top 
]

Do you NEED one?  No.  [I've been running  quart sized batches all year without 
a stirrer and, quite frankly, I can't tell the difference.]


So long as most of the water is near the electrodes, natural convection, 
Bronian Motion, polarity related ion travel direction change, ion velocity and 
mass will move water molecules around sufficiently and the S.W.A.P. polarity 
switching function will prevent conductive pathways from forming in the water 
between the electrodes. [No need to disrupt something that no longer happens]
If using the old DC output generators, [regardless of who makes it ] a stirrer 
is a HUGE boon for consistant results.

On Mar 31, 2017 8:59 PM, "Top Dog" <rsh...@gmail.com<mailto:rsh...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Was just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only reasoning is just one 
less piece of equipment to worry about. No other reason really. As I'm not 
planning on being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but all for making 
sure I'm creating a quality consistent batch. I'll find the link on the site in 
a few mins.

-Bob

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Top Dog]

Unless I missed it someplace it doesn't appear to be an item for sale
anymore on the site.

-Bob

On Mar 31, 2017 9:15 PM, "Victor Cozzetto" 
wrote:

> I strongly recommend the thermal stirrer with the Silverpuppy. Both items
> are sold on the site. The thermal stirrer gives you the addition of some
> temperature control, which makes timing more consistent and enables you to
> produce the CS in colder environments; a must for some people. I've
> probably setup a dozen people with such, and all work great.
>
> Victor
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2017, at 9:59, Top Dog  wrote:
>
> Was just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only reasoning is just
> one less piece of equipment to worry about. No other reason really. As I'm
> not planning on being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but all for
> making sure I'm creating a quality consistent batch. I'll find the link on
> the site in a few mins.
>
> -Bob
>
> On Mar 31, 2017 8:40 PM, "Neville"  wrote:
>
>> G'day Bob,
>>
>>
>> Quite to the contrary.  If only making a drinking glass full would be OK,
>> but anything larger by volume needs stirring to keep things moving around
>> whilst brewing.  I'll leave it to the experts to explain.
>>
>>
>> Why do you think it's a plus for not stirring?
>>
>>
>> N.
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Top Dog 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:51 AM
>> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
>> *Subject:* CS>Final choices of units?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this
>> weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and
>> the SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some
>> conflicting some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to
>> get colloidal silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting.
>>
>> At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as
>> much as possible
>> using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.
>>
>> Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those
>> units.
>>
>> Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus
>> is that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks
>> like a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is
>> the case.
>>
>> Thanks for everyone's opinion.
>>
>> -Bob
>>
>

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Victor Cozzetto]

I strongly recommend the thermal stirrer with the Silverpuppy. Both items are 
sold on the site. The thermal stirrer gives you the addition of some 
temperature control, which makes timing more consistent and enables you to 
produce the CS in colder environments; a must for some people. I've probably 
setup a dozen people with such, and all work great.

Victor


> On Apr 1, 2017, at 9:59, Top Dog  wrote:
> 
> Was just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only reasoning is just one 
> less piece of equipment to worry about. No other reason really. As I'm not 
> planning on being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but all for 
> making sure I'm creating a quality consistent batch. I'll find the link on 
> the site in a few mins.
> 
> -Bob
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2017 8:40 PM, "Neville"  wrote:
>> G'day Bob,
>> 
>> 
>> Quite to the contrary.  If only making a drinking glass full would be OK, 
>> but anything larger by volume needs stirring to keep things moving around 
>> whilst brewing.  I'll leave it to the experts to explain.
>> 
>> 
>> Why do you think it's a plus for not stirring?
>> 
>> 
>> N.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Top Dog 
>> Sent: Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:51 AM
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject: CS>Final choices of units?
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this 
>> weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and the 
>> SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some conflicting 
>> some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to get colloidal 
>> silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting. 
>> 
>> At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as 
>> much as possible 
>> using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20. 
>> 
>> Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those 
>> units. 
>> 
>> Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus is 
>> that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks like a 
>> stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is the 
>> case.
>> 
>> Thanks for everyone's opinion. 
>> 
>> -Bob

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Top Dog]

Here is the txt from the Silver Puppy site:  *Ode* [ AKA Ken]



Stirrers aren't  necessary due to the S.W.A.P output of the Silverpuppy
generators preventing conductive ion tracks forming between the electrodes
when using the more common DC Current  output used by most generators out
there. [Including the ~18 year old Series 1 "Pups" with only one or no
switches on top ]
Do you *NEED* one?  No.  [I've been running  quart sized batches all year
without a stirrer and, quite frankly, I can't tell the difference.]  So
long as most of the water is near the electrodes, natural convection,
Bronian Motion, polarity related ion travel direction change, ion velocity
and mass will move water molecules around sufficiently and the *S.W.A.P.
polarity switching function* will prevent conductive pathways from forming
in the water between the electrodes. [No need to disrupt something that no
longer happens]*If *using the old DC output generators, [regardless of who
makes it ] a stirrer is a HUGE boon for consistant results.

On Mar 31, 2017 8:59 PM, "Top Dog"  wrote:

> Was just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only reasoning is just
> one less piece of equipment to worry about. No other reason really. As I'm
> not planning on being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but all for
> making sure I'm creating a quality consistent batch. I'll find the link on
> the site in a few mins.
>
> -Bob
>
> On Mar 31, 2017 8:40 PM, "Neville"  wrote:
>
>> G'day Bob,
>>
>>
>> Quite to the contrary.  If only making a drinking glass full would be OK,
>> but anything larger by volume needs stirring to keep things moving around
>> whilst brewing.  I'll leave it to the experts to explain.
>>
>>
>> Why do you think it's a plus for not stirring?
>>
>>
>> N.
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Top Dog 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:51 AM
>> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
>> *Subject:* CS>Final choices of units?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this
>> weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and
>> the SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some
>> conflicting some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to
>> get colloidal silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting.
>>
>> At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as
>> much as possible
>> using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.
>>
>> Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those
>> units.
>>
>> Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus
>> is that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks
>> like a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is
>> the case.
>>
>> Thanks for everyone's opinion.
>>
>> -Bob
>>
>

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Top Dog]

Was just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only reasoning is just one
less piece of equipment to worry about. No other reason really. As I'm not
planning on being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but all for
making sure I'm creating a quality consistent batch. I'll find the link on
the site in a few mins.

-Bob

On Mar 31, 2017 8:40 PM, "Neville"  wrote:

> G'day Bob,
>
>
> Quite to the contrary.  If only making a drinking glass full would be OK,
> but anything larger by volume needs stirring to keep things moving around
> whilst brewing.  I'll leave it to the experts to explain.
>
>
> Why do you think it's a plus for not stirring?
>
>
> N.
>
>
> --
> *From:* Top Dog 
> *Sent:* Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:51 AM
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* CS>Final choices of units?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this
> weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and
> the SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some
> conflicting some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to
> get colloidal silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting.
>
> At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as
> much as possible
> using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.
>
> Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those
> units.
>
> Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus
> is that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks
> like a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is
> the case.
>
> Thanks for everyone's opinion.
>
> -Bob
>

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Da Darrin]

Try again and
Leave out  the "I would like to" and the "thank you" and it might work.
Dave

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Katie Serroels  wrote:

> I would like to unsubscribe
>
> Thank you
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 31, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Patricia Cassidy  wrote:
>
> Love my Silver Puppy.  Set and forget.   Tricia
>
> On 3/31/2017 5:51 PM, Top Dog wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this
> weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and
> the SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some
> conflicting some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to
> get colloidal silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting.
>
> At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as
> much as possible
> using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.
>
> Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those
> units.
>
> Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus
> is that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks
> like a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is
> the case.
>
> Thanks for everyone's opinion.
>
> -Bob
>
>
>

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Neville]

G'day Bob,


Quite to the contrary.  If only making a drinking glass full would be OK, but 
anything larger by volume needs stirring to keep things moving around whilst 
brewing.  I'll leave it to the experts to explain.


Why do you think it's a plus for not stirring?


N.



From: Top Dog 
Sent: Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:51 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Final choices of units?

Hi all,

Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this 
weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and the 
SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some conflicting some 
not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to get colloidal silver 
versus ion silver and found that info interesting.

At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as much 
as possible
using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.

Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those units.

Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus is 
that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks like a 
stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is the case.

Thanks for everyone's opinion.

-Bob

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Katie Serroels]

I would like to unsubscribe

Thank you

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Patricia Cassidy  wrote:
> 
> Love my Silver Puppy.  Set and forget.   Tricia
> 
>> On 3/31/2017 5:51 PM, Top Dog wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this 
>> weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and the 
>> SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some conflicting 
>> some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to get colloidal 
>> silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting. 
>> 
>> At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as 
>> much as possible 
>> using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20. 
>> 
>> Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those 
>> units. 
>> 
>> Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus is 
>> that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks like a 
>> stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is the 
>> case.
>> 
>> Thanks for everyone's opinion. 
>> 
>> -Bob
> 

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Patricia Cassidy]

Love my Silver Puppy.  Set and forget.   Tricia


On 3/31/2017 5:51 PM, Top Dog wrote:

Hi all,

Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so 
this weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver 
Puppy and the SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. 
Some conflicting some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing 
agents to get colloidal silver versus ion silver and found that info 
interesting.


At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget 
as much as possible

using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.

Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those 
units.


Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the 
consensus is that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being 
made and looks like a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A 
plus if that really is the case.


Thanks for everyone's opinion.

-Bob

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[PT Ferrance]

I vote silverpuppy!  I love mine.PT


  From: Top Dog 
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 6:52 PM
 Subject: CS>Final choices of units?
   
Hi all,
Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this 
weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and the 
SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some conflicting some 
not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to get colloidal silver 
versus ion silver and found that info interesting. 
At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as much 
as possible using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20. 
Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those units. 
Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus is 
that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks like a 
stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is the case.
Thanks for everyone's opinion. 
-Bob