[sniffer] Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Darin Cox
Anyone else seeing a sudden increase in FPs? We normally report a few each day, but we're seeing a 10x increase in FPs for the past three days. Darin.

[sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Herb Guenther
Hi Darin; Not seeing a lot of false pos messages, but there are lots of spam messages sneaking through our system because declude is not modifying the header correctly. It is adding a header stub to the bottom of the message so that users mail client filters which look for the modified

[sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Darin Cox
We see this occasionallywith Declude 1.82. What version are you running? Darin. - Original Message - From: Herb Guenther To: Message Sniffer Community Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:35 PM Subject: [sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives Hi Darin;Not seeing a lot

[sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Herb Guenther
Not sure, this is what my declude diags.txt says Declude 4.1.0 Diagnostics Compilation Platform: SmarterMail Copyright (c) 2000-2005 Declude, Inc. Herb Darin Cox wrote: We see this occasionallywith Declude 1.82. What version are you running? Darin. - Original Message

[sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Robert Grosshandler
That's been a problem for a long time, but for us, it still treats that e-mail as spam, with the appropriate weight. 100% of the time if Declude does that, the e-mail is beyond our delete weight. Rob From: Message Sniffer Community [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herb

[sniffer] Re: Declude header not modified correctly

2006-10-16 Thread Darin Cox
Ping them on the Declude list for the lack of response, and CC David Barker for a response. He seem tobe the best means ot getting results these days. What version are you running? Understandably you'll only get a response if you're running the latest 3.x or 4.x, as older versions are no

[sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Darin Cox
Ahh... good. The first thing they'll probably tell you is to update to the latest 4.x version, see if the problem persists, then re-report it. Darin. - Original Message - From: Herb Guenther To: Message Sniffer Community Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:51 PM Subject: [sniffer]

[sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Darin Cox
For us, it doesn't calculate the proper weight when this happens, and only acts on the weight seen in the topmost headers. One of these years I'll finally exercise the right to use our 4.x license, I just don't have time for new problems at this point. Darin. - Original Message -

[sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Matrosity Hosting
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[sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Robert Grosshandler
We're seeing it with the latest and greatest gateway version. Again, not a problem. Since it's above our delete weight, always, we just delete them. Users never see them. Rob From: Message Sniffer Community [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin CoxSent: Monday, October 16,

[sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Herb Guenther
Since we have almost all business users and they do a lot of intl biz we just mark the subject as "Probable SPAM:" so no email is deleted. Oh well, I am off topic anyway, thanks for the feedback all. Herb Robert Grosshandler wrote: That's been a problem for a long time, but for us,

[sniffer] Re: Declude header not modified correctly

2006-10-16 Thread Herb Guenther
Me either, I guess I will have to call them in the AM as it seems to be a general problem. As an aside, I am largely happy with the product but this one has been a long term issue and seems from my experience to be getting exploited by spammers. Andy Schmidt wrote: What's the magic

[sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Pete McNeil
Hello Darin, Monday, October 16, 2006, 5:17:26 PM, you wrote: Anyone else seeing a sudden increase in FPs? We normally report a few each day, but we're seeing a 10x increase in FPs for the past three days. Not sure if this is it, but there was an image segment rule that went in

[sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Darin Cox
Hi Pete, I haven't looked at the Sniffer logs, as cross referencing from the Declude logs is a bit of a pain, but many of the FPs did have images, so that probably accounts for most of them if it was an Experimental rule. Darin. - Original Message - From: Pete McNeil To: Message

[sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Matt
Pete, Would you please clarify this a bit. Declude of course doesn't record the rule in the headers, so this is difficult to figure out. Knowing the pattern may help identify the problematic messages. Also knowing the start time and end time of the rule would also help. I would be nice too

[sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Pete McNeil
Hello Matt, Monday, October 16, 2006, 10:03:04 PM, you wrote: Pete, Would you please clarify this a bit. Declude of course doesn't record the rule in the headers, so this is difficult to figure out. Knowing the pattern may help identify the problematic messages. Also knowing the start

[sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Darin Cox
Hi Matt, I know Pete has requested this in the past, but Declude hasn't been willing to make the change necessary for this to make it in the headers. But I totally agree with you, I'd love to see this in the headers so tracking down the rule isn't such a pain. Darin. - Original

[sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Darin Cox
Hi Pete, Can you clarify what this .xhdr option is and how we can enable it? I don't remember anything inthe documentationthat describes it. I think there were references to the config file previously, but there was never anything about it in mine. If you could give an example of how to

[sniffer] Re: Significant increase in false positives

2006-10-16 Thread Matt
There is no doubt that having Declude handle xhdr files would be optimal. I might add that an option to exclude the header on non-hits would also be wise. David Barker appears open to some feature requests of late, and I would think that you could make this happen. Not everyone has capacity